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- neverender, on 10/12/2007, -1/+42Time to liquidate all those insanely overpriced plastic CD's and DVDs for an actual reasonable price.
- dose, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35Serves them right for conspiring with the big 5 back in 2002 to screw the average consumer into paying inflated prices for cds. But somehow I know the RIAA is going to spin this into a "look what you pirates have done" sap story.
- diehard2k5, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30Shop at independent record stores guys! Way better selection, plus all the used, and vinyl you can eat. GO INDIE!
- PaulOwen, on 10/12/2007, -12/+38I'm gonna get burned for this, but I don't care as long as someone can give me an answer.
This story was submitted by gwjc about 50 minutes after BAREWIRE submitted the same story - the giveaway is the number 2 at the end of the link title for this one.
But somehow, for some reason which is not explained at all on digg, this version gets lots of diggs and the other one doesn't.
To try to imagine what this is like, think about how you'd feel if you wrote a great program for doing something, but then Richard Stallman or Linus Torvalds came along and called it their own and published it under their own name. How would you, as the original author feel?
It's become obvious for some time that there are some users here with diggs automagically assigned to their posts. Some posts have over 100 diggs with no comments. Others stories have ALL negative diggs.
When I read the metainfo for this site it reads
"Technology focused news site where the stories are chosen by community members rather than editors."
But that's not actually true. Stories are categorically NOT chosen by community members. They are chosen by administrators of the site, who while community members, are acting in the capacity of editors by burying stories or magically adding diggs.
So what gives? Is the digg community to simply accept their role as passive collaborators in a corrupted merit system?
If so, you're welcome to it. I'm going back to Slashdot.org - they're a bunch of rednecks but at least their merit system works better than here. - joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28"To try to imagine what this is like, think about how you'd feel if you wrote a great program for doing something, but then Richard Stallman or Linus Torvalds came along and called it their own and published it under their own name. How would you, as the original author feel?"
If I posted a story on Digg, and someone else posted the same story and got more diggs, I'd like go into a serious bout of depression, blaming the world for my failures, start drinking, divorce my wife, abandon my kids and slowly wonder the alleys at night aimlessly until I hit rock bottom finally dying alone in a gutter.
Or, maybe I'd realize it's just a silly web site and not let it bother me at all. - Amplix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24"i cant wait till im 18...................................................... BTW ***** crappy quailty drm download i encod all my cdc at 256 kbps mp3s but i still PAIED FOR IT"
I cnt weit till u turn 18 eithur - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21"The company admits "intense" competition has hurt its business and that of other music retailers."
Props for not blaming piracy. - leobaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12welcome to the 21st century.
- eddigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Great example of a business that changed completely with the advent of new technology and a company that couldn't change along with it. Too bad in a way, but this is Darwin for business.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@PaulOwen
Here's how Digg works. To get a story on the front page, you need to get together a bunch of friends who will usually vote for your stories. Not many people browse through submitted stories looking for good ones. - dosx2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The independent record stores I frequent charge the same or even slightly higher than most chains for new CD's. If you're shopping at an indie store, more than likely it's for the principle rather than saving a few bucks.
- chaosmachine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11in other news, sales of 8-track tapes continue to fall..
- mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9yeah seriously. $18.99 for a cd is insane.
though, it is kind of a bummer to see them end up like this (I live in Sacramento where it was started.) - diggn_it, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Im suprised record stores in general have lasted this long. It is so much easier to download music online (Itunes, rhapsody, Napster, emuisc) than treck all the way down to the record store. I know some purists thing that Itunes has bad quality or just like the feel of a cd, or hate drm. But it is still easier to get what you want from amazon because most record stores don't have a great selection anyway and in manhattan they can take hours to get to. I think their time has come.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5There's really no benefit to having your own story dugg. Submit news to inform your cyberbretheren and you won't be disappointed when the same story is dugg over your submission.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6There used to be a really excellent Tower Records in downtown Toronto at Yonge and Queen. They had overpriced music but they had some really obscure stuff you couldn't find elsewhere. Plus they had an outstanding book, magazine, and local zine section. They had countless marijuana cookbooks (even one dedicated to chicken recipes!!) and they were kind enough to sell one of my friend's poetry zines.
I miss Tower. There's a Starbucks or some ***** there now. - EllisAshbrook, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I would blame bargain stores likes best buy more than legal downloads or piracy.
- mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Weren't they one of the companies suing Best Buy a few years ago for taking a loss on CDs just to get customers in the door? This was 6 or 7 years ago. They were blamng Best Buy for their demise then.
I guess I'll have to pay $20 for a cd elsewhere now. :P - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Voted down cause you said "PAIED"...to boot it was in all caps.
- bntphoretwunny, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7i don't think that i've ever actually got a bargain at best buy
- dankoleary, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Everyone saw this coming a looooooong time ago.
- fluffyturtle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5PaulOwen - Well said. The issue is digg isn't user powered, at least not how we would usually think. There are groups of people who get together and digg and burry in unison.
In essence they are our editors and if something even remotely controversial is posted the side with more people is going to win when it comes to the news spin.
The whole idea about allowing individual users to decide on what gets attention and what doesn't sounded like a really great idea but it would never work when groups are feely able to take control. The independent news diggers voice is quelled, left to be buried by the groups. - mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I hope not, I like having the physical copy. I own about 500.
- fino35, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I can't wait for the liquidation sales.
Criterion Collection here I come! - tdogg241, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7In all fairness, I've seen numerous fairly priced CDs at Tower the past couple years. I've even bought a couple from them.
- clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You actually pay $20 for a cd??? Damn, give me the $20 I'll get you 2 or 3.
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5What 'credit' are you talking about?
Digg is nothing more than you or I going 'hey, look at that!'. That's it. No different than me popping my head into my neighbors cubicle to show him a funny article in the paper.
Will someone else getting the 'fame' for the same article you posted make you feel bad? Maybe. But it really shouldn't. Afterall, you're article just wasn't noticed. So it's no slight against you that it was resubmitted. - labmouse42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If CDs were $5 each I would buy multiple of them weekly.
At $18 a pop, I can only justify buying used CDs - jonesin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I agree. Best Buy is hardly ever the best buy.
- clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Funny how this story is right above the Azureus Update 2.5.0.0 story. ***** you RIAA and record companies .
- SnapETom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The guy who ran Manic Music was awesome - totally cool, totally able to order special rare ***** for you. The Beat sucks. A bunch of angsty my-music-is-better-than-your-music suburban punks work there.
Back on topic... Good. The big wigs at Tower never "got it." They were slow to get an online presence, and never improved the customer experience even in the face of *legal* online music stores. Solomon's claim of illegal piracy hurting them was B.S. Tower never changed their business practices to compete with anything.
Back when Napster was in the legal grey area, Tower's only response to that threat was to keep raising CD prices into the $18-$20 range. Way to go. Illegal or not, I sure as hell would have changed my business to give more value to the customer. Imagine what would have happened if Napster was found legal. Tower would have been toasted years ago. - Qenton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Does it matter? Not to me. As long as the story is brought to my attention at some point it is good. digg is not supposed to be a competition. Well it is to some people, I'll just keep ignoring the people who complain about it.
It depends on who is looking and when someone is looking at it. Most of the users do not digg for new stories. I only go there when I do not finding anything interesting on the RSS feeds. - MrCrushington, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I work in one of those local record stores, and the owner (slash manager), who also runs a reocrd label, insists on keeping the price of CDs down as much as possible. Anything his label releases is priced at $3, many CDs on consignment are around $5, and anything he can afford to keep low, he does.
As it is, how does one business rarely charge more than $10 for a domestic (non-import) CD and do fine, while others feel a need to put a 100% markup on all items and go under?
Oh well. Failure is failure. - zosobaggins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Damn the Man! Save the Empire!
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I was being sarcastic, guys. Jesus.
- buba447, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That sucks. Ive been to a couple of their locations. The one in the village in NYC and the one in Philly. I really enjoyed the stores. I love the small concerts and signing parties that they host. Pity.
- blacklilyninja, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2in a way ...im sad...
no im not - myFriendDerrik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The Beat is good, you guys remember Manic Music?
- tc811, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I still buy records from stores, but at Tower Records albums were just too overpriced.
- o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2-Daddy, what were "record stores"?
-Well, son, in the old days people couldn't just download their music when they wanted it. They had to go to a physical building where they sold songs on plastic discs. - betobeto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Last I checked, indie stores -specially the ones carrying vinyl and other alternative formats- are still going strong. In LA/OC at least. Partly because they already have their market pretty much cornered.
I'm all for the "new" digital revolution... but it will certainly suck the day I can no longer go to an used indie store for my wax fix. - djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Tower became irrelevant in Sacramento as soon as Best Buy showed up. That said, I spent thousands of dollars there, and will be sad to see them go. At least The Beat is still around.
- sprintmarathon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is the beautiful manifestation of economist Joseph Schumpeter's concept of Creative Destruction, which he introduced in 1942. The RIAA can piss and moan all they want, they're eventually going to run out of lawyer money. We consumers will be better off thanks to technologies that do a better job of serving our needs than some crappy profit driven hubris filled top 40 peddler (no offense to the vapid drones who like that shiz).
- diehard2k5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You'll pay a couple extra bucks. But you're not gonna pay retail. A cd usually at an independent store might cost 13 bucks. You might be able to get it at Best buy for 10 or 11 bucks, or you might purchase it at Tower, or the Wherehouse for 20 bucks. Indie stores have people working and representing that care about the consumers.
- Derrelicte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Aw, nuts! Now I guess we'll just have to settle for paying only $17 for CDs at Virgin Megastore.
The last time I bought from Tower is when they had a special promo for a particular album. Last thing I bought from there was Queens of the Stone Age's Lullabies to Paralyze because it came with a VIP wristband to a secret acoustic show that QotSA was playing Chicago.
I figure that was a pretty good deal, especially since my friends and I met the bassist from QotSA, who then gave us free tickets to QotSA/Nine Inch Nails the following day. - amigiac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Tower Records used to have a store in Piccadilly Circus (London) years ago, (now a HMV or Virgin) it was great for imports, I was actually surprised to see they made it this far.
- NoNom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A user can only 'digg' a story once but the value equated to that digg is not equal. If a digger contributes a lot towards Digg (i.e. submitting stories that get to the front page & comments) their 'digg' will have a greater weight opposed to someone that is brand new.
A Digg user that submits good stories on a regular basis will have a good reputation. As a result of that people will add that user as a 'friend'. When you add a user as a friend you can get an RSS feed of their diggs and submitted stories in reel-time. So that whole conspiracy theory of "people are digging in groups," isn't a conspiracy. It is the result of people using the features on Digg.
Of course there will be those people that digg stories just because *insert digger* dugg or submitted it. There will always be bind followers.
Kevin explained how Digg works on TWIT.
http://www.twit.tv/twit51
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I concur with spyrochaete, joeyjojo, and Qenton. The digger that submits an article is rarely the author. Be grateful that there is a means to relay an article to your fellow man. - patientx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As in "Tower Records of Dark Tower Series" ? :)
- nkthen, on 05/29/2008, -0/+1With downloads in rampant, no wonder tower records would have problems. http://www.outofbankruptcy.info
- diggn_it, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1WELL SCREW YOU!!!!!111
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