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Top 200 H-1B Visas - The Biggest Users

businessweek.com — Work visas, called H-1Bs, allow skilled workers from abroad to come to the U. S. for jobs. Here are the 200 companies that received the most visa petition approvals in 2007. TOP 4: Infosys Technologies, Wipro, Satyam Computer Services, Cognizant Tech Solutions, Microsoft

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  • JMellissa, on 03/12/2008, -54/+19No wonder it's so hard for natural-born Americans to get jobs these days.
    • alex7575, on 03/12/2008, -8/+17I'm not an artificially-born American, but I find your comment offensive...
      • Cheezsteak7, on 03/12/2008, -9/+6Not only is it offensive, it's downright unintelligent, since most H-1B visas go to the best of the best PhD students, likely people who aren't competing with this guy for jobs.
        • foolawrence, on 03/12/2008, -12/+2hahaha you not no in some other country, any one can buy phd it not mean anything
        • quarkie, on 03/12/2008, -1/+5@foolawrence
          Maybe you should look at your command of the english language as a reason you have trouble competing with "bought" PhDs.
          • foolawrence, on 03/13/2008, -6/+2I got phd in biochem dumby, not need to know enlish
          • RepubOperative, on 03/13/2008, -1/+4Mots of the jobs taken by INDIANS are jobs that a person with a bachelors degree can fulfill. The job goes to the INDIAN with the Masters and PHD who then pulls down the same value as a Bachelors degree. Cisco CCIE jobs were going for $45k in 2002 in Silicon Valley....I know because they were going to INDIANS when I was there last ans many American's were out of work....and they were keeping people from working for $100,000 per year!
          • capiCrimm, on 03/13/2008, -0/+2@quarkie

            foolawrence's profile says he's from Hong Kong. He wouldn't be the one competing with a bought PhD, but the one using it.
      • RepubOperative, on 03/13/2008, -6/+6Since you are a native to America and haven't been out of IT for five years like myself let me tell you to go ***** yourself. I had to go and get retrained on my own dime because in the time that Silicon Valley crashed and I got rehired all my skills went soft. The problem with getting rehired is all the gods dammed INDIANS! Many of the companies that hire all of the H1B visas are INDIAN owned and operated companies.
        • alex7575, on 03/13/2008, -6/+6The fact that you're incompetent is not the Indian's fault. I've been in IT for 15 years, and never had a problem finding a job, even when competing with a bunch of Indians you hate so much...
        • foolawrence, on 03/13/2008, -5/+3indian programmer all 100% super competent and good skills so you ***** now, look at infosys, such good product because programmer all so smart
        • RepubOperative, on 03/13/2008, -6/+4alex7575, I am not incompetent stupid *****. I had certifications and could not get jobs that went to INDIANS. That was the case with many American's in Silicon Valley between 2000 and 2002. I had to get retrained on my own dime to get another job...STUPID *****.
          • foolawrence, on 03/13/2008, -1/+4Meanwhile, American companies hire incompetent unqualified people on H1-B visas because it's cheaper, and end up paying to train them because they realize after the fact that they were not in fact qualified. The end result is lower quality work and considerably less cost savings than originally projected. Companies like Microsoft, IBM, Symantec, Dell, etc. are screwing America and their customers by focusing on cost savings and glossing over quality concerns. Don't let anyone tell you this is about competence. It's about saving money, and getting the customer to accept a lower quality standard in order to increase profit.
          • RepubOperative, on 03/13/2008, -2/+4foolawrence, right on the money.
          • alex7575, on 03/13/2008, -2/+2So, you finally realize, it's not the Indians fault, but the companies that hire them?
          • RepubOperative, on 03/13/2008, -3/+4Hell lI never said it was the Indians fault....but do I want them here? Hell no.
          • alex7575, on 03/13/2008, -1/+2"The problem with getting rehired is all the gods dammed INDIANS! "
          • RepubOperative, on 03/13/2008, -3/+4So what is wrong with the truth? The government wants them here. What can anyone do about it? It is not racist to not want them here when they are a clear impediment to being gainfully employed when I have the qualifications and the only thing they do "better" than me is accept as lower wage.
        • RepubOperative, on 03/13/2008, -4/+4The funniest thing was when I ran into an American Electrical Engineer who was also a Vietnam vet. He was getting retrained like myself on his own dime too. He also could not get a job in Silicon Valley and he was ***** to the max! He kept saying "twofers" and I didn't know what the hell he was talking about so I asked him to explain what happened.

          I asked him about it and what the company where he worked did was fire everyone, 80 electrical engineers....an all American staff, shut down for two months. Time enough to rewrite the header on all the paperwork and contracts. Reopen under a different name with 100% Vietnamese and Indian H1B visas!

          He called them TWOFERS. One Americans for two Indians and Vietnamese....and that has so stuck in my mind. So whenever I see anything related to Indians taking jobs....TWOFERS.
    • peticsu, on 03/12/2008, -5/+19thats true if your definition of a job qualification is being born in america and putting an American flag sticker on your resume with nothing else...
    • foolawrence, on 03/12/2008, -9/+3nachral born US person so greedy stupid lazy not get job becauz foren guys much more good. me have job of writer for big hollywood sitcom, can do much more words than lazy american
      • wellyuk, on 03/12/2008, -2/+4I make a movie film - please you come see! If it not success, I will be execute. I make sexytime with cow.
      • ChristBehemoth, on 03/13/2008, -0/+3I bet you were the guy behind That 80s Show
        • foolawrence, on 03/14/2008, -0/+0no, me rite skript for hogan know best
    • Jackhammer9, on 03/12/2008, -7/+7there is a thread about an illegal immigrant mother who would not report her missing kids since she was terrified of being deported about 3 threads below this one. not much to my surprise, some of the comments here show the same amount of (lack of) tolerance as the comments on that thread.
      what is it about certain "natural born" americans that they need to display such a level of ineptitude and hatred towards the people with a different accent/skin color/background as theirs?
      yo JMellissa, I am an Indian, spend most of my day training an American in Java skills so that 2 months down the line when my project runs out of funding he can still work on the code I developed, and right now, I hope I stole my job from your natural born american ass.
      • dfctomm, on 03/14/2008, -0/+1Your Indian, so I wonder what Indian's immigration policy is? With all the outsourcing of jobs headed to India what would happen if I wished to follow the jobs. Would I have similar access to India that you have here? I already know the answer, no, and how do you justify that? Why are we expected to be everything that other countries aren't. Why can't the U.S. adopt Mexico's immigration policy, or Indian or China's temporary work visa programs? Why are we racist because we wish to adopt the same policies these countries have?
        • Jackhammer9, on 03/17/2008, -1/+0dfc, my argument is not with you, or the immigration policy of the US. it is with individuals who think they are better than me or my fellow countrypeople who think they are simply better for being born here. in reality the process of moving to a new country is a scary one, but being treated with intolerance without any basis is something we consistently struggle with. we interview and file paperwork for the same jobs as americans, and the fact that we are considered lesser in spite of our intelligence or expertise is something we do not adjust to well... and we should not have to!
          there is no question that jobs do tend towards the lowest bidder, but for the people who actually deserve to be here, the intolerance is hard to live with. if you did follow the outsourcing flow, i would wish you luck. the question is would you be willing to work for a third of your salary if you had to match wits with someone who was equally or more capable of doing the same job you are?
      • amightywind, on 03/15/2008, -1/+2JackHammer, it is up to native born voters like myself and Jmellissa who will end up determining your fate. We don't owe you anything. You'd be driving an ox in a rice paddy if it weren't for American generosity. I have noted your arrogant attitude and may cite it on my next letter to my Representative.
        • Jackhammer9, on 03/17/2008, -2/+1Dear A Mighty Wind.
          I am wishing I had not got the teachings of the first amendment of the states United of Americas. Then I would be begging and pleading that you not be sending your letters to your politician representative. Right now I am only finding funny your lame attempting to scare someone for saying something on their mind.
          But the reality is that I am a legal resident in the US, pay my taxes, and if I find an opinion offensive, I have every right to speak out against it. Arrogant or not, my comment could be construed less offensive or threatening than yours, especially regarding Barak Obama and his wife. Citizen or otherwise, I still have freedom of speech as do you. No matter what our opinions are. It is sad that a great country as yours can be misrepresented by a few unwisely chosen words. Slightly reminiscent of Nazi Germany.
          So while we Indians sit half naked in our rice fields, eating our bowl of monkey brains, we still manage to generate enough demand to export ourselves to a country that mostly understands that our collaboration will only improve the world as it is. In spite of certain idiots who decide it would be best to threaten us or anything that they find offensive to their backward mental processes, regardless of what positive effect our presence brings. Why don't you try abandoning the use of everything that was contributed towards by any non-American? That would involve you throwing away your laptop, clothes and even the concept of democracy. Our presence here is not determined by generosity, but by necessity.
          Happy Burying,
          -J
          • amightywind, on 03/19/2008, -1/+2I don't mind importing cheap stuff. I am not really thankful, but we have a great scam going. The entire world runs a a persistent huge trade deficit with the US. (Trade cheats all!) But the US pays them in increasingly worthless currency. I want to see how cheap that laptop can get.
            As for Nazi's, what would you know of them? Your homeland wasn't worth invading with an entire world at war! I am often called one on this forum by twits like you. What I would do with legal residents is make you enlist in the army for 2 years to your loyalty. The survivors could then work without being hassled. That is not Naziism. It is more of a traditional Mongol practice.
    • mandarin, on 03/12/2008, -4/+4Sheesh thats a stupid comment.
    • nachyaonline, on 03/12/2008, -4/+5your comment shows why you cant get a job. Just being an American is not sufficient to get you a job. Wakeup!
    • pearlygate, on 03/13/2008, -5/+2I wish I could bury you 100x
    • Olfster, on 03/13/2008, -0/+5nachyaonline is correct. You must be able to meet the 20 years of experience programming Java or 15 years experience with Vista. Ever see those unreal qualification ads? No argument from me that certain jobs require very talented employees, such as microchip design and manufacturing. That is what the H1-B should be for. But to say we need H1-B increases because we can not find mindless zombies to work 80 hours a week programming javascript or even c#/VB for that matter, which is not all that difficult, is absurd. We are not buying that argument anymore. There are actual HR seminars on how to get around employing U.S. workers so that workers can be brought in under H1-B. We need enforcement to assure a level playing field.
  • olenick, on 03/12/2008, -8/+31Based on that list it's apparent the following three changes would dramatically change the "need" for the H1B program: 1) H1B's can only work on projects for their immediate employer: they can't work as consultants, and 2) US government funded entities, including federal government contractors, are ineligible from sponsoring H1B's: they have to hire the locals, who are paying their bills. For the small number of companies left, make the Visa entirely portable: H1B's can quit, change jobs, or do whatever else their co-workers can do with no downside to their immigration status. That'd make sure the "best and brightest" had visas to work here, while simultaneously making sure the program isn't just a body-shop pipeline to send jobs to India.
    • etoiles, on 03/12/2008, -9/+27"they have to hire the locals, who are paying their bills"
      But H1B holders are paying all taxes, too. Including unemployment, which they will never get since they will have to leave the country if they lose heir jobs...

      • RepubOperative, on 03/13/2008, -2/+9And when the H1B goes home....when they decide to leave all the withholdings must be returned...because they are a foreign national. Believe me it is a good deal for them. Then when they go back to India they do not claim the tax return. They bribe officials if they get caught, and never pay any taxes on the money.

        How do I know this? Because my room mates in Silicon Valley told me all the tricks of the trade. It is a fact.
        • RepubOperative, on 03/13/2008, -1/+7I was told that bit of information by my roomies, who were all Indian. Funny that I would get dug down by simple minded Diggers.
        • rohitkumbhar, on 03/13/2008, -5/+3Fortunately, your room mates don't make up whole of India. There are people who don't bribe at any cost and pay taxes. We do have a "growing" economy. As for the withholdings, NO, the returning H1Bs do not get that back. Not even the Indian government gets it back. How about some source more authentic than my Indian roomies?
        • RepubOperative, on 03/13/2008, -1/+5The taxes paid by Indian nationals does go back to them when their H1B is not renewed. The US government does not have the right to require certain taxes be paid. So they file for the taxes to be given back as they are foreigners.....and they may not have been 100% of the Indians in Silicon Valley but I've heard it from others too. So what everyone is lieing?
        • dilipram, on 03/13/2008, -2/+0well H1b doesn't have to be Indian workers even though a high percentage are. India and the US have a tax treaty which reduces the taxes but does not eliminate them. It is possible you can get almost all of your taxes back if you quit your job and leave the country at a time period where you didn't make enough money in your tax year. OPT/J-1 visa holders can get all of their socialsec/medicare payments back because those are not primary work visas and are temporary stay grants. H1b on the other hand has the ability to turn into residency after two terms totally 6 years which is why you cannot get any of your medicare/social sec payments back except for the year you leave where your total salary for the tax period was below the taxable threshold. You can get more valid information if you want to, from the USCIS.

          What if I said America is full of hicks smoking Marlboro's running around with guns and multiplying with their siblings because my roomates said so. That wouldn't be right, right? Similarly you can't generalise India like that. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, just that it is not so apparent as you think it is. It is nothing like Chad or Iraq.
      • dbalaski, on 03/13/2008, -0/+4Loophole -- Contracting firms can hire H1B and submit them to Companies .. Thiis way they qualify ... I know this for a fact -- we have 40+ H1B in my department -- sorry -- its a subtle yet effective loophole.
    • ryanobjc, on 03/12/2008, -1/+2As a H1-B holder I can technically switch jobs, as long as I can move to a company that can sponsor my H1-B.

      The problem is the H1-B is tied to a certain kind of job. I can't quit and work at starbucks, or not work at all. Allowing that would be a pretty major change - not sure how that'd look like.
    • rohitkumbhar, on 03/13/2008, -1/+2I am on H1B but I totally agree with you!
    • Olfster, on 03/13/2008, -0/+2I agree with all your suggestions. I would also add a requirement that the sponsor company must be a domestic U.S. company with 75% of employees and operations inside the U.S. No shell corporations or foreign based corporations unless it is a domestic subsidiary that meets the above requirements. I would also like to see only U.S. educated foreigners being eligible for H1-B.
  • jonolan, on 03/12/2008, -6/+28The top recipients are all companies that are either based in India or have their primary workforce in India!
    • Devrdander, on 03/12/2008, -1/+16Noticed that to... look at the top officers and they are all Indian...
      • NotAChickenHawk, on 03/12/2008, -1/+13They are all outsourcing firms - they send a few guys "onshore" over to the U.S. on H1-B's to act as go-betweens between the US companies they've contracted to work for and the bulk of their workers who are back in India. Satyam, Tata, i-Flex, Polaris, all fit the bill.
    • ivanomak, on 03/12/2008, -10/+5Top companies are technology companies, and they hire Indian workforce because of their exceptional engineering background and strong work ethic. They make just as much money, if not more, than American engineers. I'm not an Indian, but I am living in Silicon Valley where I work with just as many Indians as Americans and Europeans. These companies have to attract the best to compete in today's market.
      • matu4251, on 03/12/2008, -0/+11well read this: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_11 ...
        the reason given for the top companies is very very different from what you are saying. Looks more like it because they are cheaper :) (I'm only referring to the top 2-3 on the list).
        I also work in the silicon valley... and I used to be here on H1B. Most companies use this program as it was designed. But you have to admit by looking at the numbers that some are perverting the system. Not only isn't it helping the american economy it's harming it. Infosys, Wipro and Satyam might put an end to the H1B program because of their greediness. They should be investigated and have to pay penalties for robbing US tax payers.
    • ametory, on 03/13/2008, -4/+1http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/jun/10bspec.htm
      The total number of employees in the top 4 companies...
      41k+40k+35k+20k+17k.........even after adjusting for two years, the total number of IT employees in India is not more than 1.5 million. If tens of millions of Americans are not able to compete with 1.5 million Indians I don't know what to say. And another fact is, even though Indian companies benefit, H1-b includes all countries. Its just that Indian companies get more...So lets have some perspective shall we?
    • Olfster, on 03/13/2008, -0/+1I think that we notice this right off shows how much the software development consulting industry relies on H1-B. I think the solution to this is to only let U.S. educated advanced degree holders be eligible for H1-B. And only U.S. domestic based companies be eligible as sponsors. There are thousands that would like to stay in the U.S. after having earned their degree. I would like to see more H1-B sponsors bring in javascript developers while paying them 100k or more per year. That in my mind would be great. How about a minimum salary requirement for all H1-B employees, say 100K. Then we know they are really needed. We know it won't happen. The point is that U.S. educated advanced degree holders know what a U.S. living wage is, and how much they are really worth here. At least I hope they do.
  • ppvanzella, on 03/12/2008, -18/+10That only proves that America needs a better education system. You see, third world countries are exporting their workforce (and not for the low-end jobs, that is).
    • phosphodyson, on 03/12/2008, -6/+8This has nothing to do with the lack of information in the U.S. This has everything to do with supplying low-cost labor to the industry. The top companies are all Indian body shops. They essentially sell low-cost consulting services to the U.S. with the aim of outsourcing the whole operation to India. Most of these consultants are of relatively low quality. If you want more students majoring in CompSci, then you need to pay proper wages, but the U.S. has more than enough of an educational system to support the needs of IT.
    • kublerross, on 03/12/2008, -6/+6no it proves americans need to accept lower pay and less benefits to compete in the global employee market...

      good thing we got rid of all those pesky unions and what not protecting american workers
      CEOs need more cash! quick!
      • RepubOperative, on 03/13/2008, -3/+4When I worked in Silicon Valley INDIANS were taking Cisco CCIEs for $45k per year when the going rate was $125,000 per year. How can an American compete with that. GO ***** YOURSELF.
        • PeppermintPig, on 03/13/2008, -2/+1Go ask your GOP to stop taxing and regulating the market to death.
    • bingobongony, on 03/12/2008, -0/+3More specialized is not the same as better.
    • DutchGuilder, on 03/13/2008, -1/+4Clearly you have never actually worked with "workforce" from Tata, Wipro, or InfoSys.
    • ranman100, on 03/13/2008, -0/+2The underlying issue is that the India government made a choice to subsidize the education of practically a generation of students into the Engineering and Computer Science fields. These people have access to the computing power and high speed computer access that allows them to contract to US employers for a lower rate. In the war for the control of 'territory' in the previous generations you would train a bunch of special forces soldiers to be able to take the fight to the enemy. In the battle for control of the new world you need to have more Engineers and Computer Scientists.
  • triscuitbiscuit, on 03/12/2008, -2/+9I like how half of them are universities... Are these professors or grad students though?
    35 is interesting... Baltimore Public Schools- why would they need all the visas?
    • airr, on 03/13/2008, -1/+3Grad students wont need H1b visas. They will be on F1 Visa.

      Either they are post-docs, profs or other (technical?) jobs within the university.
      • robbyjo, on 03/13/2008, -0/+2Why people dig this insightful comment down?
    • ametory, on 03/13/2008, -2/+2They might be bringing in teachers. Remember H1-b is not for just for Indians or not just for Tech jobs. H1-b includes all professionals, its just that Indian companies get most of them
  • wTheOnew, on 03/12/2008, -1/+15That top 4 consists of 5 doesn't it?
  • amneosis, on 03/12/2008, -13/+6You've tried the cowboys, now try the Indians.
  • Bluth, on 03/12/2008, -16/+11They took our jobs!
    • Krumm, on 03/12/2008, -0/+3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBMNW6EWleY
    • nalimca, on 03/12/2008, -2/+5I don't think that's the problem. The real issue is that lots of the H1B's, mostly issued to the outsourcing companies are used as "training on the job" licenses for many unskilled workers. In many cases, they cheat the system by forging resumes and work experiences, especially in consulting positions. To make things worse, the clients of the outsourcing companies willingly fall for the scheme because: 1. the managers worry about their own accountability; 2. corruption.
      • dbalaski, on 03/13/2008, -0/+2BINGO! You hit the nail squarely on the head!!!!! DUGG!!!
  • ivosilva, on 03/12/2008, -4/+171 - Infosys Technologies... Check
    2 - Wipro... Check
    3 - Satyam Computer Services... Check
    4 - Cognizant Tech Solutions... Check
    5 - Microsoft.. Check.

    4=5... Check.
    • ametory, on 03/13/2008, -6/+2http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/jun/10bspec.htm
      The total number of employees in the top 4 companies...
      41k+40k+35k+20k+17k....get some perspective people.....even after adjusting for two years the total number of
      IT employees in India is not more than 1.5 million. If tens of millions of Americans are not able to compete with 1.5 million Indians I don't know what to say. And another fact is, even though Indian companies benefit, H1-b includes all countries. Its just that Indian companies get more...So lets have some perspective shall we?
  • peticsu, on 03/12/2008, -9/+21you can either accept H1B visas or you can have some of the largest companies ship their jobs to Canada because of their lax immigration policy...not sure youll complain then, when theyll go pay their taxes over there...

    http://www.news.com/Microsoft-sings-O-Canada-amid- ...
    • gsenechal, on 03/12/2008, -4/+7Lax immigration policies? Not really. More like "different immigration policies".

      Also, companies tend to look to Canada for a few other reasons.. (1)Public health care = hugely reduced costs of employment because health benefit packages are cheaper (2) an aggressive R&D tax credit program. So paying R&D employees working in Canada is at least 30% cheaper.
      • cojerk, on 03/13/2008, -0/+1> So paying R&D employees working in Canada is at least 30% cheaper.

        I would disagree with that given the current strength of the American dollar vs. the Canadian dollar.
        • gsenechal, on 03/13/2008, -0/+1Good point... But even at par, the tax refund on R&D expenses is 30%, so it before the US dollar tanked, the currency benefit would have been bonus over the R&D refunds.
    • AndreiOttawa, on 03/13/2008, -0/+3Having "open" immigration policy does not mean having a lax one. A candidate is evaluated based on age, education, work experience, knowledge of English/French and adaptability (spouse, history with Canada, relatives in Canada, job offer in Canada). All the candidates and their families undergo lengthy background check, and have a medical examination.

      It's very difficult to find illegal employment in Canada. Immigration Services here actually enforce the law and deport people who break it.

      As for the work visas-they are even harder to get, because, unlike in US, the employer needs to prove that there are no local candidates available.
    • jaylaprade, on 03/13/2008, -0/+2Not gonna happen. Other companies would probably make the move, but "High profile" companies like Microsoft would not do this. Right now the US is sucking because of the dollar, and they wouldn't move out of the US for that reason right now, but when the dollar is worth more, I am sure that most of MS's profit come from US markets. They WOULD NOT leave the US because of the perception of "abandoning" the US market. This would give US customers another reason to use Linux and/or Apple on principle alone.
      "Vista sucks!! Use an operating system that is MADE IN THE USA!!!!"

      Yeah Linux isn't made in the USA. And further, the reality of this is that HB-1 visas are a quid pro quo that MS has with the US politicians. HB-1's will never be reduced (or eliminated) for that reason.
  • duke1981, on 03/12/2008, -4/+6interesting info. Definite digg
  • lusher, on 03/12/2008, -2/+2Technology and teachers seem to be the most prevalent not surprising and not as many as i thought. Companies do need the best in the field if they want to compete.
  • d3sp, on 03/12/2008, -0/+10Infosys headquarters
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47 ...
  • Spoomeister, on 03/12/2008, -2/+7Some of those companies work in turn with each other. You can effectively combine a good 1/3rd of Wipro's number with Microsoft's total number, as Wipro is one of many agencies Microsoft works with.
  • cwocfic, on 03/12/2008, -0/+12I'm not sure if you're all aware of the reason why public and non-for profit organizations are part of the list. But the reason is because that sector are allowed unlimited number of H1B visas, while the professional services (which are the majority listed) are capped at 65,000, plus an additional 20,000 for those applicants with a graduate level degree. There's a rumor that this year's applicants will reach more than 200,000
    • rmrkm3, on 03/12/2008, -2/+0Wow... A 33% approval rate is not a very promising number. Where did you hear this rumor?
      • cwocfic, on 03/13/2008, -1/+0It's because I'm one of those applicants that intend to stay and make a career here in the US. (Unlike those described by ucbmckee down below). Figures are from the law firm that's processing my application. (And no, I'm not Indian - not that that's wrong in any way).
        • rmrkm3, on 03/13/2008, -0/+0Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Good luck this April 1st!
  • apc3161, on 03/12/2008, -13/+51Are my fellow Americans becoming slowly retarded? Newsflash, people around the world are very intelligent and capable. If we don't let them come and work here, they will end up somewhere else. We should be doing everything in our power to encourage the best and brightest workers from around the world to come here and contribute to our society and economy. If they go somewhere else, we will have to compete with them...

    People blame companies like Microsoft and Halliburton (p.s I hate Halliburton, but for different reasons) for creating so many research facilities oversees. If anyone has recently read any of the data coming out, you will find that this country has a major shortage of engineers and scientists graudating from our schools. It's sad that this has happened but its a fact. If we want to remain the worlds powerhouse in these fields, then we have to invite people to work here from abroad. If we don't, we will slowly lose our competitive edge which is happening.

    I'm trying to make this an non-political as possible. We don't have enough scientists and engineers graduating in this country, its a fact and we have to deal with it somehow.

    Having studied mechanical engineering here in the U.S , I can tell you that the best classmates I had were foreigners. We should be encouraging them to stay. So when I see a bunch of idiotic politicians with degrees in English History talking about how we have to limit Workers Visas to keep our competitive edge in fields which they know absolutely nothing about, I just want to scream.
    • nachyaonline, on 03/12/2008, -5/+5A sensible comment after a long time, thank you !
    • ronjohnson, on 03/13/2008, -4/+2Some of those company's would be forced to hire US citizens with the H1B take Wipro for example, their job is to be on site support. Can't do that over the phone.
    • thepaulm, on 03/13/2008, -1/+6I wish I could digg you up more than once.
    • randallburns, on 03/13/2008, -2/+11The basic problem is that almost every other US occupations pay more than world market wages. If you want Americans go into science and technology, the financial rewards will have to be comparable to the same time invested in something like going to law school.

      The countries with relatively successful guest worker programs(Singapore is an example) go to significant effort to make sure that these programs don't lower the wages of locals as much as H-1b expansion has done in the US. Now, in Singapore, a company can get a visa quickly, but they will pay substantially for that privilege.

      US immigration rights in today's world are quite valuable. You could theoretically replace every American worker with some foreign worker brighter, better looking and more obedient than the people with that job today. The US gets 10 Million applicants for the visa lottery program every year. Now, it isn't obvious to me that if you did replace the American work force that you'd get the result you want.

      Similarly you just won't get more scientist and engineers by a loose immigration policy in that area-you'll just encourage Americans to find other lines of work.
      • andy314159pi, on 03/13/2008, -0/+1Americans are generally paid more, but not that much more when corrections to exchange rates are taken into account.
    • bdbr, on 03/13/2008, -3/+4I work at one of these companies, and I can say that many of these are the best and brightest from their countries. I'd rather have them working in the US rather than for the competition!
    • deadsenator, on 03/13/2008, -0/+7There is a problem here that is not being considered. These best and brightest come here for only a few years. They then return home to the country of their origin with reduced salary and perform their job from afar for however long they have to to satisfy their 'servitude.' It is a short term gain and is a large benefit for the company employing them as they do not have to pay American level wages. We remember the giant vacuum sucking money to China and leaving plastic objects behind. Well, the paycheck still leaves the States, so it helps contribute to our economic woes on that level. It would mean one less American gainfully employed or at least working in a job that doesn't involve a drive through.

      Instead, we should be giving serious consideration in training and promoting from within our own citizens. You know, those brat kids. Teaching more of our own youngsters the skills to compete in today's society instead of cramming Hanna Montana and American Idol down their throats constantly. Garbage in, garbage out people. Why aren't we encouraging companies to value and properly compensate our own graduating engineers? We should be especially pushing alternating energy technologies. In this manner, the engineers will always be here and have a vested interest in their own future. Seems simple to me.

      I realize their are millions of very intelligent folks wanting to come here (and I love their food/ideas/points of view/etc, but I think their should be harsher limits on H1-B visas. I also realize that we risk losing companies in America if we make it tougher, but I would rather risk that avenue. Some other bright person might just step up in their place since we would be replenishing and creating our own trained workforce constantly. We are resisting growing our own talent at home and that is the only real sustainable way to go. It's just not as profitable.
      • robbyjo, on 03/13/2008, -3/+3If you know the current immigration status from China, you'd understand that Chinese is one of the most discriminated against to obtain visas. If they ever get one, it's good ONLY for 6 months. So, it means that it's one time shot and they make it good. In addition, they are NOT eligible for lottery diversity visa. So, the only way they can get a work visa is through study and apply for a job. H1B is severely limited, especially for applicants from China (and India also). So, lots of them got their application turned down. What do they do then? They go home. So, it's not that they want to go home on their own. They'd prefer to have families here, where the number of children is not restricted to just one.

        Now that the economy of China is booming. Things are different now. Why would they want to contribute to a place like US where they are clearly discriminated against (in terms of visa)? Moreover, Chinese government is trying to recoup the lost talents by offering "comparable salaries" to Chinese professors overseas. They even give them free house (that's what I heard recently). So, no wonder Chinese talents want to go home.

        So, I think it's a misconception that harsher limit will do anything at all. Talents will go where the opportunities lay. If they can't find any, they'll flee. As simple as that. US used to be THE land of opportunities. Today it's not as much opportunities as it was. Don't blame H1B for anything else. Blame it on your country's competitiveness.
    • orlyfactor, on 03/13/2008, -0/+2I would agree with you if they were "educated" or "smart" - but most of them are idiots.
    • andy314159pi, on 03/13/2008, -0/+2>>>this country has a major shortage of engineers and scientists graudating from our schools.
      There are actually too many scientists and engineers graduating from American schools. The job market cannot support the number that are currently graduating.
    • andy314159pi, on 03/13/2008, -0/+2>>We don't have enough scientists and engineers graduating in this country, its a fact and we have to deal with it somehow.
      I can't over emphasize to you how incorrect that statement is.
  • Adenosine, on 03/12/2008, -15/+5Oh, Stanford University will hire 146 foreign employees but won't take little-ol'Canadian me when I apply to go there for grad school, assholes
    • mandarin, on 03/12/2008, -1/+7err thats employment dude not grad studies. No wonder they didnt accept you.
    • jkays, on 03/12/2008, -2/+4If you can't beat the best of the best, then its your own failure to do so and not anybody else, learn to take responsibility for your own shortcomings or try other grad schools.
    • NuclearBunny, on 03/12/2008, -2/+5well duh. A 4.0 GPA Canadian is like a 3.5 GPA US
    • s1mph0ny, on 03/13/2008, -0/+4I've experienced foreign professors at the University of Florida, which has an affirmative action-like program for foreign instructors. Most all are clueless idiots.
  • OilLeaks, on 03/12/2008, -17/+8Indians are flooding the country, some with really good skills, especially in the IT industry, but most of them are fakes with false university degrees. When you find an India in Indianland, you should know that you have no chance to catch-up breeding with them.
    • bingobongony, on 03/12/2008, -4/+5Whoa! Ladies and Gentlemen...we have a winner in the "most racist post ever" competition.
    • lusher, on 03/12/2008, -3/+1I bet this guys not getting a H1B visa ever.
    • nirav72, on 03/12/2008, -3/+1Hey at least you acknowledged that some of them have good skills. Even though your last line would be considered offensive to indians.
  • Exedous, on 03/12/2008, -11/+8So thats where all the Indians came from.
  • ucbmckee, on 03/12/2008, -9/+4The problem isn't necessarily that we have foreigners coming here for decent jobs, it's that they don't stay (either by their choice or their contracting company's choice). One of those contracting companies, Cognizant, actually PREVENTS the host company from hiring the consultant - their contracts (with the company and contractor) forbids it. The contractors are here only temporarily to get 'American training', which they then take back to India. Having smart individuals move over here and staying helps the economy, having smart individuals come over here, displace American workers, continue to send money back 'home' (since they're still established there), and then ultimately leaving... well, that screws the American economy in almost every way conceivable. I've known many great Indian IT workers, some of whom I've counted as friends, but very few of them stay here and contribute to the economy long term. Supporting these sort of workers was -never- the intention of the H1B program.
    • lusher, on 03/12/2008, -2/+1They contribute to their fellow workers by passing on knowledge and skill.In the case of teachers they teach the future of the country. That is worth more than money in the pocket of mcdonalds.
    • bobzibub, on 03/13/2008, -1/+7H1bs can only last six years unless you enter permanent residency. Staying past six years is a *real* pain in the butt and probably not worth it.
      First you have to do the i-140 thing and legally prove that your salary is market. That is where they put ads in the paper etc. Some times you have to switch from another visa to the h1b so you can do the i-140, like me. (Ca-ching to the Government, Ca-ching to Lawyers...)

      Then you have to get your i-145 (application for perm residency) but you also have to have shots and medical and need to apply for spouse/chillin's and EAD in case they screw up your h1b. You'd better not be a member of the Communist party either. (Ca-ching to the Government, Ca-ching to doctors, and Ca-ching Ca-ching to Lawyers again...)

      Throught these processes you have to keep renewing your h1b, and then EADs. The h1bs can last three years, EADs one. (Ca-ching to the government, Ca-ching to Lawyers.)

      Now we also have this whole thing going on with my spouse too because the lawyers or the government might screw up. (She's a professional in her own right.) Some lawyers say you can't have both spouses. Some say you can. That might have to do with: Ca-ching ^2

      In order to apply for the i-145 you have to have a "priority date" that is old enough and that is set by your i-140. That date shows up each month and it is basically random. It could be "U" for nobody, or "C" for anyone, depending upon your country, your skill level etc. You have to have the date be prior to your priority date twice--once to get the application in and once for them to actually process the thing. That can take ten years or so. Or not. Who knows? Also, if you have kids, they can "age out" and get to be adults during this decade long process. Then they have to go back, possibly to a country they don't even remember ever living in.

      The equivalent process in Canada is a form you can fill out yourself (not the work permits/visas, just the 140-145) and pay the $160. It takes 18 months. If I wasn't Canadian, I'd apply there instead. In fact if someone told me in 2001 what the bull-***** system is here, I wouldn't have bothered. Too much insecurity. Too much expense. Too much paperwork. Too much living under the government's thumb in the "land of the free." Can't cross the border until you have form X539 stroke 7!!! Can't take this or that job because it doesn't match some government criteria. Your career is basically static for that decade--not good for an IT guy. Plus they are changing state rules so you can only get driver's licences, etc for the length of your current visa, so you need to renew it more often. (Ca-ching to the government again..)

      So it is not a suprise if people leave. If you don't dig Kafka, it just isn't all that.
  • rroberts45, on 03/12/2008, -11/+24Hey, they have visas. They're legal. Get over it. Talk to your congressman if you don't like it.
    Guys, welcome to America. So, we have this thing called baseball... beer & hot dogs...
    • s1mph0ny, on 03/13/2008, -4/+4You don't understand how visas work do you? The employer is supposed to prove that a citizen is an asset to the US economy. When 4 of the top 5 are all indian-based companies, their workers US-side really shouldn't be indians at all. They're trying to get around taxes by running a company in the united states, while their whole work force is indian.
      • NinjaPig, on 03/13/2008, -1/+1I'm sure i'm not taking this out of context but I really really think you don't know what you're trying to say.
        "When top 4 of 5 [h1-b employed companies] are all indian-based, their workers shouldn't be indians at all"
        "They're trying to get around taxes by running a company in the US"
        what? how?
  • nalimca, on 03/12/2008, -2/+8One interesting point is that H1B's used by universities don't count towards the 65K annual cap. So the top 7 Indian consulting companies are using ~20% of that quota. No wonder Microsoft complains!
  • bdpf, on 03/12/2008, -2/+2Did anyone check the stock market graphs for the companies? Most seemed to peak in 07.
    • Focher, on 03/12/2008, -2/+2Check the stock market graphics of most companies. Likely, they peaked in 2007 because the overall market is down.

      Move along. There's nothing to see here.
      • s1mph0ny, on 03/13/2008, -1/+1Not true. The dollar is falling, but most businesses haven't felt the effects of it yet. While business is running well their stocks go up because the dollar is worth less.
  • nirav72, on 03/12/2008, -6/+12I've come to accept it. The corporations in this country will not change. So if I had to choose between the lesser of the two evils - I'd pick H1Bs over jobs being outsourced to other countries. At least with H1Bs there is a cap of 100K visas a year. Plus, there are some government regulations on how much you have to pay an H1B person. Also, a H1B will most likely spend some of that money here in the United States and also pay taxes. If that same job was outsourced, it would be for a much cheaper rate and the money goes to a foreign country. We'd loose a lot more if the jobs were outsourced versus bringing in an H1B here.
    • zythus, on 03/13/2008, -0/+4The H1B's get rotated out and shipped back to India, and new ones replace them after 'training'. In this way, the jobs still do get outsourced.
    • cnorris1, on 03/13/2008, -0/+1A cap for now, it will probably be gone or doubled depending on who wins the election
  • Focher, on 03/12/2008, -3/+3Seems that if companies are allowed to be multinational and practically borderless, labor should also have that right. This opposition to the issuance of work visas is kind of funny, because the logical alternative is for those positions to simply be created overseas - losing the taxes and consumer spending that inevitably come from retaining the jobs within the country.

    Also, consider that countries with less rigid immigration policies tend to have demonstrably better economic growth. Ask the EU countries who banned the free movement of labor from the newly admitted member states from central and eastern Europe whether they wished they had the economic growth rates of the UK and Spain, which allowed workers to come.
    • dfctomm, on 03/14/2008, -0/+0You haven't thought this out have you? I just read an article saying lake meade would be dry at current refill/consumption rates by 2021. Atlanta has no plan to meet their water shortages. Everyone cannot live in the U.S. it's not possible.
  • thepeacemaker, on 03/12/2008, -8/+15Any programmer in the US who claims H1Bs have better or more opportunities or are taking their jobs should be banned from ever going near a computer. H1Bs especially from India have it the worst as they cannot switch jobs, advance their careers, and if they apply for a citizenship they have to wait at least 10+ years for it. If there is anything people here need to be worried about it's the flow of jobs going OUT of the US and not H1Bs working IN the US and spending their money here.
    • PeppermintPig, on 03/13/2008, -1/+2It's not an immigrant problem, skilled or otherwise. It's the regulation. I'm thoroughly disgusted with, but not suprised by the sheer ignorance of people who only show concern for the situation when they're feeling the hurt.

      Because of the tenuous nature of working on a visa, there is a tradition in some companies to treat such employees like slave-labor, and that's not right either.

      Never thrilled with corporations who play along with these government schemes, either... regulating immigration and regulating industry is the bane of a free society. It is a source of artificially high product prices in the US.

      I can't believe that government, particularly those in charge of monetary policy are merely ignorant to all of these factors, so I must believe at least some of them are complicit and resist free commerce.
    • airr, on 03/13/2008, -1/+1People with H1b CAN switch jobs. The new company has to apply for a H1b transfer (which is NO BIG DEAL). But people who apply for green card, cant switch jobs as they will lose their priority date.
  • Zatko, on 03/13/2008, -7/+3The problem is there is not enough U.S. based engineers. Parents don't push their kids into high tech fields. The one thing most people don't realize is that it is actually more expensive for a company to hire an H1-B than to hire a local U.S. based resource.
    • PeppermintPig, on 03/13/2008, -0/+7But there ARE many US engineers trying to find jobs now, particularly with the economic slowdown. US employees tend to ask for more, so I'm not certain that your cost of employment argument is consistently true.

      That doesn't disqualify the point you make about education: Education in the US is in decline and there will be a deficit of skilled labor in these industries. Wealth is not a limited commodity: We could have more skilled labor jobs available for all those seeking them, domestic or abroad. But in order for this to happen, we need to get politicians and bureaucrats out of these industries. Anti-competitive regulation hurts everyone.
    • jonolan, on 03/14/2008, -0/+2The reason there are so few American engineers is that H1Bs are more than willing to work for sub-industry-standard wages. Since the foreigners are getting the jobs based on being cheaper, how can an American compete?
  • zythus, on 03/13/2008, -1/+9Let me just say, that as someone who has to work with some of these H1B people, they also have a very large tendancy to *not* know what they are doing, especially in terms of server support. It's a nightmare dealing with them day in and day out. They often don't even properly know the basics, and seem incapable of going beyond their checklist in troubleshooting problems.
    • PeppermintPig, on 03/13/2008, -5/+1While your personal experience may influence your opinion, I don't think its right to generalize like that.

      You have some foreign workers who might not be familiar with your company work-flow, just as you have some US college graduates who don't know crap about what they're doing. It depends on the individual.
    • sudhu, on 03/13/2008, -3/+3Are you sure you are dealing with H1B people (as that would usually be face to face) and not call center support?
  • zythus, on 03/13/2008, -3/+8It's also interesting that any comment that is 'negative' towards these Indian companies / workers is being dugg down... hmm.
    • Herostratos, on 03/13/2008, -3/+6Don't tell anyone, but I'm a member of an Indian digg guerilla intent upon subverting the US labour market. It will be due to us, not due to our exceptionally stupid comment, that you will be buried.
    • PeppermintPig, on 03/13/2008, -0/+9Digging has been outsourced. :P
  • mykalimba, on 03/13/2008, -0/+3Anyone else see the irony in entry #102, "AMERICAN SOLUTIONS"?
  • JedicodeWarrior, on 03/13/2008, -4/+7Should be titled "Top 200 H-1B Visas - The Biggest (Ab)Users"
    • pearlygate, on 03/13/2008, -2/+3Google = abusers? you must be high
  • Xondar, on 03/13/2008, -5/+8I can hear it now: "They took our jerbs!"
  • MnMs, on 03/13/2008, -8/+7Whats wrong with you people? I just read the "illegal immigrant mother" story and diggers were saying how they support LEGAL immigration, but not illegal immigration. Now this thread. H1B Visa's are legal! Why do you people still complain? Me thinks you people are xenophobic.
    • monsterCable, on 03/13/2008, -3/+2You are right. Illegal immigrants are better because they can be hated for the reason. This is why legal immigrants suck. There is no legal reason to hate them and that is very irritating.
    • s1mph0ny, on 03/13/2008, -3/+4I don't support either form of immigration. I get an employment offer in my field once every 3 months or so. Most of these offers aren't genuine but just information seeking. Being that I live closer to the corporations that are hiring than india, I should receive hundreds of offers in that same period.
    • orlyfactor, on 03/13/2008, -2/+4I hate them because I work with them, and on the whole, they are ***** poor at their jobs.
  • nilcontact, on 03/13/2008, -0/+1FYI. http://www.Desicrunch.com has reviews about many of these Consulting companies hiring H1b candidates from India, have not so discrete way of dealing with Fresh out of boat candidates.
  • madwaxer, on 03/13/2008, -1/+6Product boycot?
  • webjoseph, on 03/13/2008, -2/+3Increasing our education and competitiveness is always on the agenda of every politician, educator, and populist. Has their ever been a city-council/mayor/governor/president who hasn't used that rhetoric? Why doesn't our education ever improve? Because saying that we need to do it, is different then actually doing it. None of us are solving the problem by pointing out the obvious. So for whatever reason, if we need foreign workers, we should employ them and hope that they will always want to come. Stop the ethnocentric comments - there are already tons of people who prefer NOT to come to the USA and who are making more money and doing fine in their native land by outcompeting US businesses. You think Wipro has a lot of H1B's? Imagine how many native Indian workers are on the other side of that number, and then ask yourself if the H1B workers are really the problem. We should be glad they are here to give us a fighting chance.
    • MrSteamTank, on 03/13/2008, -0/+2Sigh. I'm not even American and I completely disagree with you. There is no real competition. Indian's have a far lower cost of living than any American so trying to compete with them on that front effectively is absolultely ridiculous. I'm all for immigration and for a skilled work force but understand that companies will cut corners whenever they can at any point and if the possibility of hiring a foreigner for less presents itself they will do so in a second.
  • jamessavik, on 03/13/2008, -1/+5Americans are too stupid to work at Microsoft, Intel, Cisco and Google? I don't think so.
    • orlyfactor, on 03/13/2008, -5/+3If you've ever worked with any of these Indians, you should know that THEY are the idiots. Seriously, out of about 50 at my place, maybe *maybe* 3 are good. The rest clean their mouth in the sink, ***** on the toilet seat, and generally smell up the place. And you can never tell them they're wrong, they'll wave their stinky paw in your face saying "no no no no no". God I hate working with them stindians.
  • dbalaski, on 03/13/2008, -2/+4Notice the Top 3 are companies from India --
    Being that Infosys is taking a lot of jobs at my company, I am not pleased .. especially having to compete with someone who has passes an certifications exams but h no practice experience (or real knowledge) and is willing to work at a fraction of the salary because they are in the third world -- The bean counters are in control here.

    Sorry -- I feel that we should reduce the number of H1B visas, especially as US economy is heading towards recession.
    H1B = Training to oursource/off-shore US jobs .. plain and simple ...
  • HariSeldon10, on 03/13/2008, -2/+1Wow, olenick, the sad thing is that H1Bs work almost exactly as you describe.... That's exactly what's causing the shortage! (That and the fact that there is only a small number of visas available compared to the exponentially bigger need FROM COMPANIES). So, the idea that there is only a small amount of companies left is a myth. Obviously, the US is lacking in qualified skill sets (for whatever reason it may be), and it faces two options: allow the skilled workers to stay in the US (in many cases, US universities are training them anyway, so why not allow them to stay?), or have companies ship those jobs abroad (which is exactly what they are doing, considering Congress' unwillingness to act).

    Lowering the amount of visas available will not create jobs for Americans. Education will create jobs for Americans. And even then, it is important to consider that without immigrants, the US has a declining population... So how is America to maintain its economic and technical edge over the world with a shrinking workforce with fewer skills, if not by hiring someone else to maintain that edge?

    This is, in my opinion, the main reason why Europe, China, India, Corea, Brasil, Russia, Poland, Mexico, and other countries are growing their economies while the US is headed for a recession...
    • dfctomm, on 03/15/2008, -0/+0You're daft. People are steering away from tech fields such as engineering because they don't pay. Do you want to go in debt for an education that isn't going to offer you a sufficient income. Greenspan said in a speech that H1-Bs could be used to hold down labor costs of tech workers. The only way you can get Americans to enter technical degree fields is to hold a gun to their heads.
  • dtecmeister, on 03/13/2008, -1/+2I would like to see the number of interviews they do for telecommuters before they resort to H_1B. I know the phone's not ringing off the hook here.
  • spaceddaisy, on 03/13/2008, -2/+1I was actually considering a job offer in the USA of a company who wants to bring me in for two years from the Netherlands. I was feeling very positive about the USA, but reading all these comments it sounds like I'd be part of a group of most hated people there?
    It actually takes a lot of time and money to get a VISA and is for companies a lot more expensive than hiring locals/nationals. I don't know why they seek abroad, but there must be some reason, like shortage in skilled technical workers?
    • jonolan, on 03/14/2008, -0/+1The Paki-Indian workers and the Chinese workers are willing to work for far below market standard wages for skilled jobs. That's why the corporations look overseas for labor.
  • ricricardo, on 03/13/2008, -1/+1Isn't Microsoft and Cognizant the same thing?
  • bshock, on 03/13/2008, -0/+6Someone explain this to me: I'm a programmer who knows dozens of competent colleagues who are searching -- unsuccessfully -- for jobs in the industry. At the same time, I have talked to managers who say that it's difficult to find programmers, and I'm constantly reading something similar online in regard to H1B visas. What's the deal?

    Is it just that most programmers don't want to impoverish themselves by moving to ridiculously expensive places like Redmond?
    • dtecmeister, on 03/14/2008, -0/+1bshock, I think you hit the nail on the head. Programming is one job that can be done 100% remotely, but there is some kind of mental hangup with many companies not allowing telecommuter programmers. Perhaps there are too many "Programmers" that just want a kushy job with no one looking over their shoulder to make sure they're actually working. Maybe the company thinks it's more likely to end up with someone who will sell trade secrets.
      Whatever the reason, they don't allow it, so they miss out on hiring many good workers right in the U.S.
      Since they could save 10,000 to 20,000 (or more) per programmer per year, I don't understand the madness.
  • shdwsclan, on 03/13/2008, -2/+4For all you out there, this isnt xenophobia, this is the last stand. If you come here for genuine reasons, like my family, and you actually invest in the economy. We believe that our family in europe is a bunch of lazy bums and they should get their own money instead of staring at our pockets.....

    Anyways, the computer industry is the final stand of white collar workers. Once we completely loss the war, it will be 1970 once again, with factories moving overseas.

    Anyways H1B visa holders are NOT skilled workers.
    Just take a look at http://www.y-axis.com
    There is NO mention of skill anywhere, its all *****.

    Cost of plane ticket from india - $1000
    Cost of H1B - $29.99
    Cost of an H1B programmer on average - $30,000
    So you can either get a programmer for 31,029.99 or pay a local one 60,000.
    More trouble for an H1B? I dont think so, especially when your cutting your costs in half with what you think is skilled labor. And large companies can bribe govt to get it even cheaper.

    Finishing off whats left of the US economy - PRICELESS

    I myself am a programmer, looking an internship cause im still in school....and by golly, everyone of those indus are getting H1B sponsorships. If the recruiters are Indian, you are completely doomed.

    Now, im am not against the H1B program, its just that it allows too many jobs to be stolen in a particular sector(tech). If the H1B quota was spread out specifically across the white collar sector, such as doctors, lawyers, accountants, mbas, engineers....Im pretty sure more people would protest.

    No other country does this....by the way.....
    I would understand if the unemployment rate in the US was 0%, but its not, so H1B should not be in place.
    • amightywind, on 03/13/2008, -1/+4You are a smart kid. The kind of person who should be getting encouragement to get into high-tech. Common sense would suggest that H1B's should be cut off when the national unemployment rate reaches a threshold level. Who is being served when foreign chop shops monopolize H1Bs?
    • spaceddaisy, on 03/14/2008, -1/+1"Anyways H1B visa holders are NOT skilled workers. There is NO mention of skill anywhere, its all *****."

      I'd urge you to take a look at http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1271 ... to qualify for an H1B Visa, you need at least a bachelor's degree or equivalent in the field you are going to be working in. I'm sure you are confused with one of the other categories of temporary workers.

      "Cost of H1B - $29.99"

      Add about another 700$ to that for just the processing, no guaranteed approval, since only about a third of all applications get approved.
      • jonolan, on 03/14/2008, -0/+1Yeah, a bachelor's degree - from an Indian or Chinese diploma factory will work just fine though!
  • Trublmakr, on 03/13/2008, -1/+4Modern Slavery.
  • RileyDeWiley, on 03/13/2008, -2/+3Build a goddamn fence, already! Get these wogs the fsck out of my face.
  • vantisdel2, on 03/14/2008, -0/+2"Are my fellow Americans becoming slowly retarded? Newsflash, people around the world are very intelligent and capable. If we don't let them come and work here, they will end up somewhere else. We should be doing everything in our power to encourage the best and brightest workers from around the world to come here and contribute to our society and economy. If they go somewhere else, we will have to compete with them...
    "

    apc3161,

    It is YOU who is retarded. Do you even think before you post? If we let them come HERE, we're going to have to compete with them even more so. We can put tariffs on foreign imports if necessary. We can't do anything once the foreign workers are inside our own country. You're really just another Corporate shill, aren't you? Are you a personal friend of Bill Gates?
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