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- wherearemymeds, on 10/09/2008, -9/+81Fact: Every year that our costs for oil and gas have gone up, the oil companies have made record upon record profits.
How many years is that you ask?
EVERY YEAR.
The ratio is that the more we pay, the more they make--the speculation on Wall Street is how they determine our 'shortages' or not.
Anyone remember Enron? - inactive, on 10/09/2008, -5/+46I think it's time people realize that the world is changing. We can work towards energy independence -- not just from foreign oil but from ALL oil. We can research and experiment with solar in our own homes. For example, did you know that some people in Germany generate so much solar energy that they can sell it to the grid for a profit? What a great idea, and it would be great if every American was doing this.
- superheroboy, on 10/09/2008, -1/+38I hate to say it but the oil companies have every right to charge as much as we'll pay. Until we stop using oil, they'll keep looking for the equilibrium that will bring them maximum profit.
- MyEuphoria, on 10/09/2008, -0/+21A link to the video and a futile attempt to petition ABC:
http://www.wecansolveit.org/page/s/ABC - VarelseSoul, on 10/09/2008, -1/+20Fact: The digg effect won't let me see it, either. What can I do about it?
- jfreeman, on 10/09/2008, -0/+15I agree, but one thing we can do is stop subsidizing oil and gas. Letting prices reflect the true cost may make it economical enough to pursue other forms of energy / travel.
- southeastbeast, on 10/09/2008, -5/+19Beale had it right....
"I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!" - creoderiot, on 10/09/2008, -3/+17Yeah, the milk industry is really raking in the cash! good point.
- sammiches, on 10/09/2008, -2/+16gooinohio, you should check out this website: http://www.skepticalscience.com/
It does a good job of explaining and debunking a number of the myths you mentioned. - plainOldFool, on 10/09/2008, -2/+16Shoot, I don't have my Fortune 500 annual issue that covers the top business in the US so I can't throw down hard numbers. However, ExxonMobile, the top profit winner of the US Oil companies, had about a 10% profit return. This was respectable but ranked only around 101 of the top 500 ranked companies. The fact is that while these energy companies are breaking profit records when looking at dollar value, they have an average-at-best profit margin when looking percentages. Again I can't drop numbers right now and I can and will do so tomorrow when I have my magazine in hand but I believe Apple (you know, 'Yeah, Steve Jobs!!! Woo Hoo') had a FAR higher profit margin than Exxon.
- sammiches, on 10/09/2008, -0/+14You can sell your excess energy production in America too.
- jromm, on 10/09/2008, -0/+11My apologies that my site, ClimateProgress.org, was down for a few minutes. I don't usually get this kind of massive traffic. But my IT folks told me they "dropped a 'cache' in front of the site so that every user isn’t reloading the page every time they view it, which appears to have resolved the problem."
Thanks to everyone who Dugg this. - andarial, on 10/09/2008, -0/+9The site is uber slow.
Direct link to ad/video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmEUHeI7fzE - enantiodromia, on 10/09/2008, -2/+11my favorite part is where you say "anyone who is ... facist... should be blacklisted".
can you also divide by zero? - sfgamergirl, on 10/09/2008, -0/+9Let's bypass the dinosaur TV networks: make this video viral. Blog it, mail it, shout it.
- jfreeman, on 10/09/2008, -0/+9Funny; I don't get the ABS network.
- 0x1d3n, on 10/09/2008, -3/+11Could i get some solid evidence of that?
- Hetman, on 10/09/2008, -2/+10You need to look at their profit margins not their entire profits to get a true understanding of the issue. If their profit margin is lower than lets say Microsoft then they have just as much right as Microsoft does to charge what they do. Overall profits are a bad way to look at the problem.
- Hetman, on 10/09/2008, -1/+9It does not matter how much the milk industry is making. The key would be to see how much they make per gallon of milk. If they are making a higher profit percentage per gallon of milk then oil companies are making per barral of oil he would have a valid argument. The key is to look at profit margins not just at profit. I tried to look it up but the milk industry must keep a tight lid on their profit margins.
- bbqsalad, on 10/09/2008, -1/+8PROTIP: STOP WATCHING TV
- plainOldFool, on 10/09/2008, -0/+7@jfreeman .... YES! Even though I am defending their profit margins, you are 120% correct. When Wal-Mart (ranked #1 on Fortunes list of top companies) can do as well as they do with a 3.4 % revenue profit, I think we can stop giving the refining companies handouts.
And I think it is in their best interest, even from a PR standpoint, to donate more of their profits and invest more of their capital AND R&D energy to Alternative Energy development. If it works for T.Boobe Pickens... - thethirdmoose, on 10/09/2008, -0/+7I take it you've never used rechargeable batteries?
- tinkafoo, on 10/09/2008, -0/+7It wasn't on ABC, but I thought I saw this commercial the other day?
- DigitalPimptres, on 10/09/2008, -0/+7Why did my car get better gas mileage in 1998 than the model they make now, that weighs less? If that doesn't make you go hmmm? I don't know what does.
- Spoomeister, on 10/09/2008, -2/+9Why does no one ever mention plastic when talking about ending oil addiction?
If we all drive electric cars or ride bicycles starting tomorrow, it wouldn't be close to solving all oil dependence / environmental issues.
What do we do about the plastic in our toys, electronics, vehicles, homes, clothing... basically everywhere? - plainOldFool, on 10/09/2008, -1/+7Campbell Soup had a 10.8 % profit on revenue. I guess we should rake them over the coals since the are only .1% less than Exxon
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/ ... - BryonFessler2, on 10/10/2008, -0/+6thanks for getting the site back up...no easy task given the traffic you have received. Bryon Fessler , Irving TX
- leonardoty, on 10/09/2008, -1/+7They never asked for my consent...am I not American?
- saranagati, on 10/09/2008, -1/+7Whether or not the amount of pollution we produce is actually causing the earth to warm up is irrelevant. We've been taking resources from the planet and not putting any back. In the last 150 years, we've gone through quite a bit of the planets oil (i don't have any stats on hand but i'd be willing to be its at the very least 30%). What happens in the year 3000 when we discover some much more important use for oil than to create energy? or at least energy at the very low amount we generate with it now. What about all the smog in the cities, it's pretty horrible. We have the ability right now to convert over to much more efficient and renewable sources which we're going to need oil to get to.
So why not switch? because it's inconvenient for you? How inconvenient was it for every single generation before you that didn't have ready access to cars or an electrical grid or a water/sewage system. Would you rather have future generations revert back to not having access to those things we take for granted because people like you didn't feel like having any minor inconveniences? - PWoT, on 10/09/2008, -3/+9So you know basically every single scientist in the field agrees global warming is man-made, right? Try reading something other than right-wing blogs on the subject and you'll see. The debate is over, except for the craziest of the crazy.
- inactive, on 10/09/2008, -3/+9I have had enough... of your lies. Democrats take oil money too.
- plainOldFool, on 10/10/2008, -0/+6@bith: I drive a '95 Tercel and I pay less than $25 per fill up. Those who pay more than $100 per tank due so because of the vehicle the choose to drive.
- TSK05, on 10/09/2008, -0/+6It's absolutely true that water vapor is the #1 greenhouse gas - I am astro major and when we were taught about the atmosphere blocking EM radiation, we had this nice chart - in fact I'm looking at it right now:
"There are three wavelength ranges in which the atmosphere is opaque and the curve is near zero: [wavelength less than 290nm by oxygen and nitrogen], between the optical and radio windows, due to absorption by water vapor, [reason 3 for lambda > 20 m goes here]. You know what goes between the optical and radio wavelengths? Infrared and microwave radiation. Infrared - heat. - miriguy, on 10/09/2008, -0/+6Nice video
- xutopia, on 10/09/2008, -3/+8***** Bitches and *****
- Dislolppear, on 10/10/2008, -0/+5We are getting fleeced by the oil companies. The last time oil was $87/bbl as it is now, gas was less than $2.70. It's $3.40 right now.
We're getting fleeced. - clevername2, on 10/10/2008, -0/+5Global warming or not, facts or lies. number crunching or percentages....whatever! we need to start investing in our own country again and stop throwing our money and jobs overseas....it's getting us nowhere except..broke and angry. Besides the GW factor whether you believe in it or not, most Big Oil banks do not reside in the US. If we use a small portion of our oil resources here coupled with other alternate bio-fuels..solar. wind, coal, corn or whatever, we will be less dependent on other countries and start putting more money and jobs back into our own economy.
footnote:stop shopping at Walmart, China owns it now....they treat their employees like ***** and sell you the worst of the worst products.
- falstaff, on 10/09/2008, -2/+7If you went and started a business that provided thousands of well-paying jobs, provided a product that nearly every human being wants (or needs) and returned a healthy return to shareholders across the globe, all while paying a higher tax percentage than most businesses and taking a merely average profit margin for yourself to reinvest in new ventures, do you really think you would deserve the wrath of every pandering politician and armchair economist online? Because most rational people would call that being a pretty good corporate citizen, all things considered.
- wreckosaurus, on 10/09/2008, -0/+5My neighbor does this, in New Jersey
- Bith8654, on 10/09/2008, -3/+8@plainOldFool: You know you're right. America's addiction to canned soup is spun way out of control. I mean it would be one thing if soup wasn't required for us to live normally, but we need soup to power our cars, planes, etc. The fact is, without soup, our whole lives would be different, and the soup companies and soup speculators need to understand this and price it accordingly!
- CraigNobbs, on 10/09/2008, -0/+5YouTube Link To Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmEUHeI7fzE - inactive, on 10/09/2008, -4/+8You're a *****...actually no, you are most likely a paid liar.
- inactive, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4Thanks for reminding me..
Good luck with everything. The World needs a massive protest day.
Protest for Public transport
Clean energy
Technology investment greater than that of the level of corporate welfare currently achieved for BigOil, Coal and car makers.
And an end to political lobbying by bribe money from mega bucks companies. Enough of this crap! - plainOldFool, on 10/09/2008, -2/+6Psst ... Google profit on revenue... 25.3
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/ ... - MyEuphoria, on 10/09/2008, -0/+4"The sun blasts Earth with enough energy in one hour—4.3 x 1020 joules—to provide all of humanity's energy needs for a year (4.1 x 1020 joules), according to physicist Steven Chu, director of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory."
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=solar-power-li ...
So what you're saying is that we couldn't possibly come up with some solution (capacitor) to store all that energy for use when the sun isn't facing our side of the Earth?
I like jellybeans. - clevername2, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4I mean have you ever seen a happy Walmart employee?? no?...there's a reason.....checkout walmartwatch.com.....invest in your own community and shop locally.....
- DreKor, on 10/09/2008, -1/+5You ask questions that we don't have answers to, and then say you don't want to fund the research that would try to find out. Do you try to be this ignorant or does it come naturally?
- Samohtneas, on 10/09/2008, -0/+4I am quite sure electricity comes from my outlets. When I plug my appliances in, they can function. Granted, the electricity itself comes from the plant. But your point is still wrong.
Energy can be stored, too. - PyrosMagus, on 10/09/2008, -2/+6FACT: When people precede a statement with "FACT:" they probably made it up.
- JDFrancis, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4MIT has come up with a way to store solar energy for later. What is this ***** that there's not enough power from solar or wind to power the world? It would be easy to harness enough power from the sun alone with the right energy storing technologies. http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.htm ... And that's just the tip of the iceberg: pump some dough into a Manhattan project for green energy and you might just get your superawesomemegacapacitor.
By the way, even though you obviously believe that thousands of scientists have created some kind of massive global conspiracy about global warming, isn't it best for our air, water, environment, and national security to foster non-carbon based energy? Or is there something you enjoy about tearing coal out of the earth and burning it?
Also, so what if we can't fix it 100%? 80% renewable is big improvement. Why not go with wind and solar as the primary source with a nuclear backup? Or something like that? It doesn't have to be all or nothing, but right now we're getting hosed.
You anti-global warming clowns are losing anyway because moving away from carbon based fuels is so obviously appealing in so many other ways that even if it turned out global warming was a hoax (which it isn't), we'd still want to go green. That is, again, unless you like coal smoke, torn up hillsides, diesel fumes, and funding nutjob petroleum producing countries. Smartass. -
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