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- AriaNoelle, on 07/02/2009, -3/+38I'd rather give aid to this man, who is trying despite being disabled, than to the welfare moms who keep pumping out kids without even trying to work to take care of the ones they've already got. Yeah, I'll get dugg down for saying it, but it's true.
- gbudavid, on 07/02/2009, -1/+11Yes it is Difficult. The Disabled person needs a support network and the will to keep going in spite of the obstacles
- Hillsfar, on 07/03/2009, -0/+8I know a guy who has a master's degree in a liberal art field. He lost his job at a retail store almost a year ago and he's been playing World of Warcraft almost every day since then. He plays late into the night or early morning, crashes for 8 hours, then gets up and starts playing again. The only jobs he has applied for are jobs at gaming companies and jobs in teaching - except he has no experience teaching. He doesn't bother applying at places that are hiring, like McDonald's or a factory or even an office as a temp. His unemployment benefits were recently extended again, but I wonder what happens when they run out. See, His wife was working full-time. She recently had to stop working because she had a high-risk pregnancy. They are up to their gills in credit card debt because he refuses to get off his WoW-afflicted ass to be a man.
By contrast, this guy Michael Medina is a good man willing to work hard and eminently more hire-worthy. - Janinco, on 07/02/2009, -2/+8You won't get dugg down by me...I agree with you!
- RikkiTikki, on 07/03/2009, -0/+6I work for one of those advocacy groups, and we're having a lot of trouble placing our clients with developmental disabilities. Usually, the world "disability" scares employers and the people think they're obligated to disclose they have one. Sure it's illegal to discriminate, but employers can get really creative with their excuses. The government doesn't count unemployed people with disabilities in the unemployment rate; if they did, the unemployment rate would rival that of the Great Depression.
- inactive, on 07/02/2009, -3/+9....yet the government spends how many BILLION$ on low-life welfare hos who have no intention of ever getting a job?
I have nooooooo problem with the government giving my tax money to someone like this, someone looking for a hand up.
I have a B I G problem with the government giving my money to welfare hos who are only looking for a handout!
....and therein lies the government's problem. It is unable to DISCERN between the two. - eliseville, on 07/03/2009, -0/+5@AriaNoelle, you're already paying for this man. Everyone who works and pays their Social Security tax also covers Social Security Disability which most disabled people qualify for and which, though a pittance, is substantially more than what most states pay to your so called welfare moms.
The one gal I knew on welfare lived in a cramped attic space. She was working her butt off trying to get a Junior College degree so she could someday earn enough to get her own place. She got very limited food aid and could barely shop at used clothing stores as her daughter kept growing out of things. Luckily she had 'unmarried in-laws' who could help a little and babysit while she was in classes, otherwise there's no way she could afford to go to school. Young fathers seldom get stuck raising kids without any money, or like a cousin of mine, just stay home and let Grandma do the raising. - dazparkour, on 07/03/2009, -1/+6It's been said before and I'll say it again - if someone can come into your country and get a job within a week without a good grasp of your countries language, there isn't a problem with them - you just aren't that good at what you do.
Low paying jobs have been sucked up by the whole global recession thing. - redwolfwalker, on 07/02/2009, -1/+5To all the digg welfare moms, AriaNoelle wasn't talking about ya'll.
- Maverick98, on 07/03/2009, -0/+4Have to agree with you 100% its a hard label to shake off. You can ace your interview but once you disclose the disable part it scares employers off and its back to square one.
- Blydchyld, on 07/03/2009, -3/+6I think we all know people in this situation.
Im being made redundant in the next few months, the job market around here is next to extinct, we have a very high influx of Indian/Pakistani/Polish imigrants that in the main absorbing all the smaller low paying jobs to the point where you have post degree applicants who cant find employment even in 'McJob' enviroments.
But i guess thats the same world wide. - RikkiTikki, on 07/03/2009, -1/+3By the way, most people with disabilities are receiving Social Security Disability Insurance. That's how they're not counted.. Most don't want to find a well-paying job because if they make a certain amount of money after 9 months, they lose their health care benefits, and most of those families can't afford to do that.
- Coffeedemon, on 07/03/2009, -0/+2"the one gal I know on welfare"
That is about all we need to know about your anecdata right there... one case does not define all (no matter what side that case falls on... but most people on welfare live closer to eliseville's example than yours). - JohnEHubertz, on 07/08/2009, -0/+2Not 100% accurate.
For each dollar, the majority of the disabled will lose 70 cents in direct benefits AND their health care.
We won't LET them work.
JH - JohnEHubertz, on 07/08/2009, -0/+2You see sir, that is why you are busy, productive and Inactive.
You set a terrible example with the keys you choose to press on your keyboard. Can you imagine what this means to those of us who care about you?
I hope things work out when you discover the truth. - KingGorilla, on 07/03/2009, -0/+1Reminds me of Gattaca
- foucaultsvac, on 07/03/2009, -1/+2It's an honest question. Not trying to be a jerk. Any takers?
- foucaultsvac, on 07/03/2009, -2/+3As a huge capitalist pig, I digg and agree.
- antimatroid, on 07/03/2009, -0/+1Dugg for sounding like an all round good person.
- silverchrysalis, on 07/03/2009, -0/+1my family runs a small jewelry store where we make our own product. we've hired 2, (possibly 3) people with disabilities over the years. one was a woman with fibromyalgia, chemical sensitivities, CFS, nerve damage, etc. we changed all of our cleaning products and manufacturing chemicals to ones she could be around, replaced windex (for cleaning showcases) with a vinegar/Shaklee mixture, and outlawed certain air fresheners. it was a huge pain, but she was SUCH a good and loyal worker, always on time and always joyful to be wokring somewhere pleasant, that it was worth every bit of frustration. we also got a huge tax credit the following year (unexpectedly) for taking her off welfare. she eventually married and moved, starting her own little tailor shop, but still will come up and help us if we're having an event. she was worth the trouble, and we all love her sweet spirit.
another person was ADHD, with some other undiagnosed or undisclosed learning disabilities. we trained and re-trained him for about 2.5 years and finally laid him off when he just would not or could focus on the tasks at hand. he was a pleasant person, but such a yakker that he could distract the entire staff, however he always kept us laughing. i would have loved to have kept him around purely for entertainment, but payroll for a small biz doesn't work that way.
all in all, as a business owner, i would have to say these people are worth our time and attention. they are not subhuman in any way, and they are often good-natured, moreso than some entitled people who are 'normal'. if a business is patient enough, they can find tasks that will fit the person's abilities, aND i do not think that a hugely funded organization is really necessary to find and keep them employment. - Maverick98, on 07/03/2009, -0/+1As someone that is disable (not with developmental disabilities, mines is End-Stage Renal Failure) I must say that it is hard to get a job. Employers look at you differently. They see you more as a risk. Lets all agree yes it may be considered discrimination but it happens. Its happen to me countless time. "Oh yes Mr. John Doe i see you are qualified for this job....umm wait a minute you are disable? Ummm well don't call us we will call you"
Its happen to me more times than i wish to count. I'm glad that my current company saw beyond that and actually saw me for my qualifications and not my disability. I applaud disable people that want to work and not just stay home and get a check in the mail and feel sorry for themselves. There are government programs that help disable people try to get back into the workforce for anyone here reading this that are disable try Ticket to Work program. Its free to all disable people. Its basically like a temp agency that helps disable people find a job with employers that don't care your disable. - inactive, on 07/03/2009, -3/+4Being forced to work, and forced to do your best, will breed in you temperance and self-control, diligence and strength of will, cheerfulness and content, and a hundred virtues which the idle will never know.
-- Charles Kingsley - Hillsfar, on 07/04/2009, -1/+2You have a GENEROUS immigration and asylum system thanks to decades of rule by your liberal welfare-state government. I bet you're from the UK.
Here's an article about Muslim men who can claim welfare benefits for multiple wives.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic ... - JohnEHubertz, on 07/08/2009, -0/+1Sadly, we have an agency that was created around one disabled man. He refuses any form of free help, pays 100% of his medical/psychiatric costs and won't even take a dry coat when it rains.
He had an accident - he was a concert violinist.
Now, his 11 years of institutional life makes him distrustful....
McDonald's FIRED him after 4 years - as he chooses not to take their free shirt. He insists on BUYING his uniform.
"To pursue sanity (meaningful work) in a world gone mad is the act of a lunatic"
Two years after I met him, I chose to accept disability. Folks - corporations aren't alive. They have nothing to give back to the world.
Here's a complete agenda, plan and opportunity, to step off the ladder. In my former life I kept climbing till my family fell to their death (divorce) Enough is never quite OK for a company man.. - if you want change, check THIS out! http://lastapostle.blogspot.com/ - jlw00329, on 07/05/2009, -0/+1I would be happy to hire him at my business. He would run circles around the people I have now!
- faskill, on 07/03/2009, -3/+3Hmmm... the one gal I know on welfare has 3 kids living in a government subsidized 2 bed 2 bath apartment with food stamps/WIC care/welfare and has only had one job for one week of her life because she was "bored" of the kids; then after halfass working for about a week quit. There is nothing wrong with this person. They are physically able and capable. There are many people that take advantage of the system. They shouldn't be allowed to. I write this with the anger of a man that has worked ever since I've been able to pay my own way.
- meljlodge, on 11/06/2009, -0/+0@RikkiTikki There are actually companies out here that are looking for those with disabilities to hire. One such company is J.Lodge. They are great quality call services company whose dedication and commitment in providing jobs for disabled Americans has been the foundation of its 10 year history. All anyone who wanted to work would just need to apply at www.jlodge.com!
- mksmothers, on 07/03/2009, -1/+1Hire the handicapped, they're fun to watch.
- datastorageguy, on 07/06/2009, -2/+1If only assistance went to people looking for a hand up instead of a handout, there might be less people from my side of the aisle screaming socialism.
- AriaNoelle, on 07/04/2009, -2/+1My aunt had two kids and got close to $5k per month. An uncle of mine has more kids than I can name and has custody of none, yet got enough welfare to buy a BMW. A cousin and another aunt are BOTH collecting welfare for the cousin's sister/aunt's other daughter, though the girl lives with her dad full time. And yet another aunt of mine, who has six kids and custody of two, was bought a house by the state that has four bedrooms and three bathrooms and is nicer than anything I can ever hope to afford. Welfare moms get money not only for themselves, but for the kids, as well as food stamps and section 8. It's at the point that there's argument that welfare people should have the right to cell phones, computers, and internet, at taxpayer expense. Maybe if more of them were given just enough to barely keep from starving on, then there'd be more incentive to get off their asses. That girl you know is how it should be for all - not enough to be comfortable. She wants to get a job to be comfortable. My ***** relatives get so much that they're more comfortable now than they'd be with jobs. Unfortunately they're the norm. Your friend is the exception.
Also you're kidding yourself if you think disabled people get a lot. Try being one and living on what you get. You get cash aid but, because you don't usually have kids, you don't get food stamps or section 8 and the money you get isn't enough for rent. I speak from experience. When I was younger, I was on it, and I got under $500/month in the Bay Area. I had to stay in a household where I was abused to have a roof over my head, and I didn't have enough money for the bandages I needed, so had to dress surgical wounds with toilet paper. If you're a disabled adult, you get very little. When all the kids who are disabled reach 18, the amounts paid will drop down to almost nothing. Once you're 18, if you're disabled with no kids, you matter very little anymore. - foucaultsvac, on 07/03/2009, -7/+5FTA:
"Advocacy groups estimate that two-thirds of the developmentally disabled are unemployed."
Do we have data on what percentage of these two-thirds want or even need to work? Forgive my skepticism, but a flag goes up whenever I read "advocacy groups".
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