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- ivan423, on 06/13/2009, -8/+52It took me 2 hours 40 minutes to read the whole ***** thing.
- Revovisionary, on 06/13/2009, -2/+42It's a lot to ask digg to read more then the headline and starting paragraph. This article is 7 pages and does a pretty good job describing California's high speed rail project. Worth reading through.
- RonPauls, on 06/14/2009, -5/+40There's no money!
- nahsrocketeer75, on 06/13/2009, -1/+34For a bit of perspective, that 2 hours and 17 minutes from LA to Sacramento replaces the current 12 hours via train/bus, according to the story.
- benitojuarez, on 06/14/2009, -5/+31Isn't the state extremely broke right now? where is this money going to come from?
- sanskrtam, on 06/14/2009, -5/+28My Japanese friend said after reading this article:
"Finally, USA is entering the 21st century." - MooseOfReason, on 06/14/2009, -9/+29Great, now Californians can hop on the train and zip to the place their job used to be.
- Richandler, on 06/13/2009, -11/+28Dude they can't even get BART build down to San Jose. Where are they going to find money to build this train? The legislature already is forced to take big cuts because we're billions in debt. This will never happen since it needs private investors too, and nothing the government does makes money so they either be foolish or in line to get some huge tax cuts.
- HappyScrappy, on 06/14/2009, -1/+17Yeah it is about the same as high speed rail in Japan or Europe. You have to stop every once in a while and that drags down your average.
It takes about 2.5 hours to go from London to Paris on high speed rail and that's only 288 miles. - ninjaturtles1, on 06/14/2009, -3/+19Isn't California broke? I'm no economist but wouldn't be smart to maybe cut back a little rather spend heaps more on the most expensive single infrastructure project in United States history?
- idavidtang, on 06/14/2009, -2/+17Not until we get out of debt first.
- enrq, on 06/14/2009, -0/+15I want a Japanese friend with whom I can share articles
- Deepmist, on 06/14/2009, -1/+15This would be amazing. I can just imagine taking a day trip to Disney Land while living up at San Francisco. Although i'm sure there are more admirable uses. One of my favorite things about Japan is how it is so ridiculously easy to get almost anywhere in the country quickly with public transportation.
- stutimandal, on 06/13/2009, -4/+162 hour 40 mins for 380 miles. That's an average speed of 142 mph. Pretty good, but not as fast as Japanese bullet trains.
- Chakat, on 06/14/2009, -2/+14Because the rail tech is a lot newer than 100+ years old. That's like saying why drive when cars were invented 200 years ago.
- Okinsley, on 06/14/2009, -0/+12ohsnap!
- enantiodromia, on 06/14/2009, -1/+12I'll just go ahead and take a wild guess, that you have never flown on Christmas Eve.
Am I right? - riffic, on 06/14/2009, -2/+13have you flown recently? it ***** sucks
- tgc1, on 06/14/2009, -0/+10We won't enter the 21st century until we have ubiquitous high speed internet. And no, I don't mean a measily 4-10Mbps. I mean the kind of stuff they get in Asia. 70Mbps+ without refinancing your house to pay for it.
- merm, on 06/14/2009, -0/+10I am a huge fan of enhancing mass transit and high speed travel options in this country. My only objection on this project (and other high speed rail projects in the use) is that the government is taking bids from Euopean companies to build the lines. If these are indeed the largest and most expensive projects I hate to funnel so much money from the US to other countries when we have a whole glut of skilled labor and empty production capacity in the US - particularly in the Auto industry. Certainly the auto industry can be retooled to build high speed rail and the US can become a competitor with Europe as opposed to us importing this technology. I know this is possible because just look at WW2. The United States completely retooled, and majorly advanced its technological and manufacturing capacity. We could do it again with some forward thinking leadership, and a change in attitude by workers. I'd much rather see "bailout" money go to building a high speed rail industry, than to banks and propping up failing auto companies in their current form.
- Foot56, on 06/14/2009, -1/+10Federal stimulus package
- tywrenok, on 06/14/2009, -0/+9as a frequent rider of Japanese bullet trains, all I can say is more power to 'em.
- ahac, on 06/14/2009, -2/+10Then you also agree that the government shouldn't pay for roads and highways? Let market demand fund them.
- MalarkeyPN, on 06/14/2009, -2/+10You're god damn ***** right it will.
- kimbja98, on 06/14/2009, -0/+8I sometimes wonder if the reverse is true. Recessions are ideal for big government projects since many people are out of work, making the price of labour fall and thus desirable to start on large long-term projects (rather than pursuing the project when labour costs are high). As there is less work available from the private sector, the state sector can take up the slack of available workers. It keeps people off benefits and you get something out by the end rather than pouring money into a black hole of non-workers.
Conversely, when the economy is doing well (private industries), that's a time when public spending should be reduced and money saved. That would pay off money spent during the recession and also prepare for hard times ahead, when people again, would depend on the state for help. - rif42, on 06/14/2009, -0/+8That would be another short-sighted, energy wasting, polluting, ad-hoc solution.
Why are US always so full of these quick-fix foolish ideas? - tgc1, on 06/14/2009, -0/+8The Sky, like where the rest of it came from.
- h8f8kes, on 06/14/2009, -1/+8I can't be broke, I still have checks. Someone buy me a new choo-choo train! /s
Dammit, I am all for a high speed rail (passenger and freight) system nation-wide following our highway system. However, the idiots we elected have got to realize that in order to afford new toys, you have to either cut funding elsewhere or sell off your old toys. Does any of the political class even know how to balance their household budget? - quomen, on 06/14/2009, -4/+10I'm going to copy and paste a comment I made above:
Japan's overspending on infrastructure--rather than on other stimulus projects--in the 90s is also one of the reasons that their economy has been, and still is in the dumps.
A more interesting source, out of many:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/06/world/asia/06jap ... - MooseOfReason, on 06/14/2009, -0/+6Gotta replace the horse and buggy with something, dude!
- qazws, on 06/14/2009, -3/+9I want my bullet train now, Japan is ahead of everything in technology. All the other states will be jealous about bullet train in CA. New York has a better train destination compared to CA in some ways. Sometimes traffic is more terrible in CA now then 8 years ago.
- DeviantDragon, on 06/14/2009, -0/+6LA-SF: 2 hours 40 minutes
LA-SAC: 2 hours 17 minutes
Seems like less time for the Sac trip to me so I don't really get your statement. - noahgelman, on 06/14/2009, -0/+6That's not gonna stop us from trying.
Bwahahahaha - LightPhoenix, on 06/14/2009, -1/+7If you had read the article, you would know the answer, since the author very clearly addresses that point. The funding sources, such as parts of Obama's stimulus package for high speed rail, are not part of California's general treasury. The money is allocated specifically for the rail, and can't be used for general stuff.
- jasdf, on 06/14/2009, -0/+6Read and agreed.
- slashdotordigg, on 06/14/2009, -0/+6Yawn...I am gonna ask Olie instead. Olie?
Olie: "It's damn fast!!!" - enantiodromia, on 06/14/2009, -3/+8"Last fall Schwarzenegger agreed to put the $10 billion bond issue on the ballot, and to the surprise of many it won. [The] recent federal stimulus plan offered the possibility of billions more for the California rail project"
Nice try. - newman8r, on 06/14/2009, -1/+6I like amtrak, and I use the Pacific Surfliner all the time - I think the experience is fine, and you can use the time to do work on your laptop - all the seats have outlets.
- Vodd9, on 06/14/2009, -0/+5TL;SL?
(too long; still read) - quomen, on 06/14/2009, -2/+7Japan's overspending on infrastructure--rather than on other stimulus projects--in the 90s is also one of the reasons that their economy has been, and still is in the dumps.
A more interesting source, out of many:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/06/world/asia/06jap ... - sandipc, on 06/14/2009, -2/+7Searched your post for "interesting" and "useful". Found nothing and dugg you down.
- tgc1, on 06/14/2009, -2/+7More pie in the sky nonsense.
I wish it were true. But honestly, do people not know there is a recession? It's like the government is just ignoring the whole fact. - macslut, on 06/14/2009, -1/+6Good news everybody, during one of the worst unemployment phases in our state's history we just voted not to raise taxes, not to borrow money, not to cut spending ***and** to build the most expensive single infrastructure project in United States history!
Can we legalize pot now, because obviously most of the state is already ***** high. - stonebear, on 06/14/2009, -0/+4High speed segments will be fenced off and have no crossings.
- mikesoba, on 06/14/2009, -0/+4The train project was voted for by the electorate. It has been the politicians who have refused to act now for decades on thoughtful transportation needs for the state.
- Raphas, on 06/14/2009, -2/+6It's about time indeed! The public transports suck and if CA wants to reduce gas emissions then it's mandatory
- idavidtang, on 06/14/2009, -0/+4Says government spending.
- jaydedrag0n, on 06/14/2009, -0/+4well here is the question that needs to be answered .. to answer your question... (this isn't sarcasm.. i'm actually asking) are there any high speed trains in the us? i think they are all in japan and overseas right? so the only people who have experience building and maintaining them.. are going to be the people who pioneered them and made them a success right? so why wouldn't you take bids from the people who actually know how to build them? would you take a bid to build a house from someone who has never built one before? and sure.. there are certain areas they can get anyone for.. so don't include those in your bid so you can hire local... but the rest?? get the experts
- ahac, on 06/14/2009, -0/+4People travel more and more.
If they don't build the rail then they will have to expand or build new highways and airports instead!
And unlike the rail (where you can just buy more trains once you have the track) the highways need constant expansions to cope with the increasing traffic.
And who do you think will pay for that? - maninblack87, on 06/14/2009, -0/+3I think I just teared up a bit at the thought.
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