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- inactive, on 04/04/2009, -0/+28"Kill my boss?! Dare I live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
- e2superman, on 04/04/2009, -4/+29F the damn digg bar. Am I alone in thinking that this is robbing webmasters and stealing content? Digg puts ads in the bar as well as uses an IFRAME to put your site under theirs (without showing your websites url). This hurts brand awareness... potentially lowers your page rank, etc.
Yes this is nice for digg ($$ for them) and its users but it is in no way beneficial to webmasters on other sites (in fact is detrimental). - PeppermintPig, on 04/03/2009, -5/+19FTA: "When negotiations over the revamping of Caterpillar’s operations in the French city of Grenoble broke down this week, the workers did what more and more of their countrymen are doing these days: They took their bosses hostage.
It was the fourth such incident in France in the last month."
How long before sequestration turns to defenestration???
These people ought to be ashamed of themselves... that said, this isn't anything new in France. Just more tyranny. - cazbar, on 04/04/2009, -6/+16Yeah well, some of what happened in America around 1776 would be considered terrorism today too.
Seriously though, I think its great that the french don't put up with anything. It's one of the few places where the government actually fears its people. - Dragular, on 04/04/2009, -0/+10bleh regardless of detriment to webmasters, I just don't like not having the web url for later reference. I'm digging you up and replying in hopes that someone with a holier-than-thou attitude will point me to a way to disable it that I am too lazy to find.
- fugazied, on 04/04/2009, -2/+11Imagine if a corporation like AIG was based in France! Those greedy/corrupt executives really would be on the run.
- DifferentAngle, on 04/04/2009, -3/+12France is a parody of itself...
- inactive, on 04/04/2009, -6/+14The french now officially have larger balls than americans, who have almost no balls at all.
- JulyZerg, on 04/04/2009, -0/+8I just turned it off, actually. Just click the little arrow beside "remove" or whatever, and there's an option.
- lelapin, on 04/04/2009, -0/+8One the contrary unions there are not strong and hardly represent the majority of workers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_unions_in_Europ ...
As for government interfering too much, it is mostly considered as a neutral regulator. - inigomntoya, on 04/04/2009, -6/+12My thoughts exactly. Employees don't get together during their lunch break and plan crap like this out. They are being coordinated by a higher source. And their demands are so similar to those of a large labor union.
FTA - The unions, and most French people, have refused to condemn the actions, saying it is understandable, if not defensible, that people faced with the loss of their livelihoods would take such risks.
Understandable? Kidnapping? Breaking the law? Really? Wow... - FearAndObey, on 04/04/2009, -3/+9I don't know why any company would want to do business in France when ***** like this happens.
- brim4brim, on 04/04/2009, -0/+6The companies listed in the article are large companies that can afford redundancy payments but are not treating workers they are letting go fairly.
All this shows is extremism leads to extremism. Treat your employee's fairly and this type of thing won't happen. - inactive, on 04/04/2009, -0/+5Try make a point concisely and clearly you c&p merchant.
- Ymeg, on 04/04/2009, -4/+9Are people actually supporting this behavior?
French bosses should arm their selves. - lelapin, on 04/04/2009, -2/+7In my book the term 'tyranny' does not have the same meaning as the one you seem to have used it for in your comment.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tyranny - endustry, on 04/04/2009, -3/+8According to the French, all French are entitled to do anything they feel like when faced with even the mildest displeasure or inconvenience. Or just whenever.
- brim4brim, on 04/04/2009, -1/+5They aren't putting the boss at risk either.
They are holding him against his will not threatening to kill him. They will let him go when the employer talks to them.
In one case in France, Sony shut the factory, didn't offer redundancy and refused to talk to staff when they asked for meetings in France. They left them with little alternative to get them to the talking table.
Hell people in charge refusing to talk to the people and listen to what they want is part of the reasons the troubles in NI went on for as long as they did.
It is mistreatment of people that causes extreme actions. Most people are reasonable and movements like this wouldn't have popular support if the employers weren't being extremely unfair to their workforces. - LocalDocal, on 04/04/2009, -0/+4I see. While doing researching more on this situation, I actually stumbled across this article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123871251471484469 ...
According to the submission article, this kind of stuff is rare, yet the article I linked seems to mention consultation businesses/experts dedicated to this kind of stuff. I have to question how rare something is when a business can be profitable helping other companies with that kind of stuff.
Holy *****, and we make fun of the French for surrendering. Apparently, they're actually a pretty scary group. I see some Greece-like riots coming in the future. - PeppermintPig, on 04/03/2009, -2/+6O kind captor!
- UniverseJDJ, on 04/04/2009, -0/+4You can also disable it in your viewing preferences. http://digg.com/settings/viewing
- ricker2005, on 04/04/2009, -0/+4But the thing they aren't putting up with here is layoffs from a company during a recession. It's not exactly analogous to terrible worker conditions during the industrial revolution or overthrowing a tyrannical government. It actually makes no sense at all.
- inactive, on 04/04/2009, -0/+4Where american style barely there regulation is working out a treat for the world economy at the mo...
- brim4brim, on 04/04/2009, -0/+4American employment laws are crap, your workforce is treated like ***** compared to other countries that your multi-nationals hire because they are cheaper.
Wake the ***** up American workforce. You deserve better worker rights. - brim4brim, on 04/04/2009, -0/+3No they don't need unions, they organise themselves without formal organisation when they are unhappy.
It isn't a trade union in the classical sense of an actual union people pay into, it is a union though. - NorthMass, on 04/04/2009, -10/+13This is terrible, this is what happens when the unions get too strong thanks to government interference and the government over regulates the economy.
- inactive, on 04/04/2009, -6/+9Not undertanding why they do it is like not understanding why that guy threw a shoe at Bush.
And please, stop the xenophobic generalizations about the French, thanks. - ingmar, on 04/04/2009, -1/+4You know, this can only work (after a fashion) if the police turn a blind eye. I mean, if they were treating it like a "real" hostage situation, bring in the SWAT and be done with it. Crisis ended, hostage takers go to jail, other union members will be careful not to pull that stunt again... Back to the negotiation table. Hostage taking has no place in labor disputes.
- brim4brim, on 04/04/2009, -0/+3The French were never surrender monkeys, read their actual history.
It is just a joke not the actual attitude of the nation.
They surrendered because they weren't organised for a traditional fight. They still fought, official surrender gave them the time to form a resistance. - brim4brim, on 04/04/2009, -0/+3The bar does show the URL and the site is shown on this page.
It is an iframe isn't it? The website still gets the hit. It just takes up some room for you and shows some interesting data. I don't have a problem with it. - brim4brim, on 04/04/2009, -0/+3It depends on the reason they are letting you go IMO.
If an employer honestly can't keep people on and let the people know they will not take extreme action.
If they are just being bastards then they shouldn't be surprised if the workforce aren't happy about it. - ricker2005, on 04/04/2009, -6/+9The fact that some people on Digg are supporting this is ***** clown shoes. It's not acceptable to hold your former boss hostage. Especially when the reason you got laid off was that we're in the middle of the biggest economic downturn in the better part of a century. This isn't some respectable stand against The Man or a rallying cry for the revolution. It's just ***** stupidity from people who don't know what else to do when the economy tanks, they lose their jobs and their world comes tumbling down.
You didn't get laid off just for ***** and giggles and more importantly you don't have a right to a job. If your company doesn't want to employ you, they don't have to. And if you don't want to work for them, you don't have to. If the economy sucks and they can't afford to pay you...well what exactly do you want them to do? - stonebear, on 04/04/2009, -1/+4All that head chopping made men of them.
- sarp, on 04/04/2009, -1/+3Actually the French government has on occasion carried out acts of terrorism. Not just condoned them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbo ... - inactive, on 04/04/2009, -2/+4Easy There, Captain Ballwasher.
- inactive, on 04/04/2009, -2/+4"My thoughts exactly. Employees don't get together during their lunch break and plan crap like this out."
that's exactly what happens. - timewarp424, on 04/04/2009, -6/+8Taking a hostage is illegal. No matter the reason.
- johndi, on 04/04/2009, -0/+2While it may not be tyranny in common modern usage it still falls under the definition. All tyranny requires is the use of "oppressive power." It's right there in the link you posted.
- inactive, on 04/05/2009, -0/+2i'm not sure if this is as effective as just finding another job or starting your own business
- Rothbardosaurus, on 04/06/2009, -0/+2Sometimes it seems like the French are all heart and no brains.
- Dragular, on 04/04/2009, -0/+2Universe you're my hero. Not only do you tell me where to disable it, but you give me a link, thus supporting my laziness to the maximum level possible. <3
- X9001, on 04/04/2009, -1/+2Lets take Kevin Rose hostage
- PeppermintPig, on 04/04/2009, -1/+2It is unfortunate then that extraordinary rendition and Guantanamo don't fall under the same reasoning. When a government does it, it's not a crime.
Nations impose great punitive deterrents for individuals who defy social and legal norms, but do little to stop corruption at the top. - igyigyigy, on 04/04/2009, -1/+2I can see this backfiring spectacularly if a company moves from a round of layoffs to shutting the whole place down because they can't trust the employees anymore
- brim4brim, on 04/04/2009, -0/+1lol, many people were let go because they don't directly generate revenue and their employers don't really know how their business works or because their employer went under because of bad management.
It doesn't say anything about the individual employee if they are let go unless they are fired. - e2superman, on 04/04/2009, -1/+2How about OFF by default. If not then google will start indexing other people's content with DIGG.COM in the url. Ultimately I think this is a way that digg is just trying to increase traffic while placing advertisements on other websites (that Digg gets paid for). Lame.
- korvan504521, on 04/08/2009, -0/+1you do not have the RIGHT to a job. if you dont like it, start your own company.
- cyberapox, on 04/04/2009, -2/+3People judging again a country and a culture they know nothing about...
- lelapin, on 04/05/2009, -0/+1disclaimer: the scope of the thread is reduced to 'tyranny' and its understanding. Of course what follows is not to be taken as an excuse for the sequestration that took place in France.
@johndi: tyranny requiring oppressive power where do you put jall this in a scenario where workers are fired whereas top executives get bonuses? Who then has the 'oppressive power'? - inactive, on 04/05/2009, -0/+1My friends and family don't maximize profits by hurting hardworking people... so i don't have to worry about it.
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