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- inactive, on 10/25/2009, -3/+23Oh great, subsidies. It sucked in the first place because it was going to make energy more expensive for everyone. Now it's going to be more expensive because we're going to be paying with it through taxes & debt instead of the utility bill. If it was in the utility bill at least people could avoid the cost by using energy more efficiently. Now it's just welfare for corporations and it won't change consumption behavior at all.
- randyzaia, on 10/25/2009, -5/+21So taxpayers will have to pay for the climate bill. Nice.
- alais, on 10/25/2009, -5/+17It was always going to be the taxpayer/consumer, corporations dont pay taxes, the people who buy their products do.
- mikestro, on 10/25/2009, -5/+15I don't think this bill will really affect climate on planet Earth one iota. China and India will not be adjusting their global greenhouse emmissions any time soon. So I am not sure why we should punish ourselves with higher taxes. Seems like another way to just get more taxes from people. We should be focusing on adaptating to climate change, instead of attempting to change the inevitable with yet more ineffective legislation.
- AmnesiacJack, on 10/25/2009, -3/+12Regardless of what we pass for climate change other countries won't be doing the same (think China, India, basically the entire side of the world over there).
So yeah, it might make you feel good in your tummy that big bad American business is getting reigned in, but they aren't. They are just being given more incentive to go overseas and ship the products back. - norman619, on 10/25/2009, -6/+14The truth is more like "Senate Climate Bill Seeking to Rob Industry to Try and Pay For Another Massive Government Entitlement Program"
This his nothing at all to do with the climate. Their own EPA study shows that. They are looking for any way that can get more money to spend. It's sickening. I can't wait for next year when we the people hand them their pink slips. - inactive, on 10/25/2009, -4/+11Am I the only one who sees madness in all of this?
We have kooks like Princes Charles and Al Gore declaring "we only have, yes only 3-5 years to act now!", as if some 2012 apocalyptic event is going to occur if things are not pushed full steam ahead now.
If it took 130+/- years of industrial revolution to get to this point of alleged climate instability, how is a few cap limit legislation and carbon credit schemes going to reverse over a century of pollution enough to save us in just 5 years? To me the more logical thing to REALLY reverse or stop global warming we'd have to shut down every factory and stop every car but we know that won't happen. - nmessick, on 10/25/2009, -1/+8you pay every dollar of taxes one way or another, even if it does not come directly out of your paycheck.
- URnotheonly1, on 10/25/2009, -5/+12but they said there would be no impact
- ericjohnson0, on 10/25/2009, -2/+8oh that's brilliant. And when everyone they employ is out of work and destitute, then what, Comrade?
- nmessick, on 10/25/2009, -2/+8Right! Just like the EU is pledging to reduce emmissions by 90% by 2050. Its an outright joke until you start seeing them taking some real steps to go in that direction... so far,thats not happening. Its nothing but a PR campain.
- nmessick, on 10/25/2009, -2/+8they lied... surprised?
- nmessick, on 10/25/2009, -2/+6do you need a spanking? you do realize that you'll pay those costs in higher prices for goods, services, etc from said companies right?
- FormerBabby, on 10/25/2009, -3/+7Climate change is just a conspiracy by the lizard Illuminati. Its pretty ***** obvious.
- nirvanix, on 10/25/2009, -8/+12Now we see a new world order coming into view. A world in which the people will become servants of bankers and corporations through taxes and corporate charity. Two companies that are going to make billions from administering carbon taxes and credits are Al Gore's Generation Investment Management and a Rothschild's Swiss based company.
- googlymoogly111, on 10/25/2009, -2/+5Carbon credits will only hurt lower and middle-class hardworking Americans.
It's just another way for yuppies to feel good (kinda like the Prius).
Ok liberal digg, tell me why I'm wrong and that more taxes and regulations will be better everyone. - georgelulu, on 10/25/2009, -5/+8How about letting fines from enforcement pay for it, and not just enforcement of clean air but proper waste disposal also. The bigger and highly profitable companies don't need a transition or a cushion, they need a spanking. Use the fines to subsidize the companies that really need some help converting, the smaller ones operating on tight budgets.
- rignopolis, on 10/25/2009, -2/+5Enron was for cap and trade. That's reason enough to think seriously before jumping on that band wagon.
- inactive, on 10/25/2009, -1/+4China's investment in some clean energy does not change the fact that the vast majority of their energy comes from burning some of the dirtiest coal in the world (that's just the kind of coal deposits they have in china). Nor does it change the fact that China is the most polluted country in the world with the loosest pollution and air quality controls of any inustrialized nation.
China's percentage reductions are only impressive because it is cheap and easy to go from not paying any attention whatsoever to pollution and greenhouse gas emissions to spending a little bit on the most basic improvements to reduce those emissions.
Compared to China, the US is very clean and has very strict pollution & greenhouse emissions controls. The improvements that reduce these emissions are not linear and the fat that China can bring significant reductions in the short term does not carry over to the long term. - Stuffburger, on 10/25/2009, -1/+3Source please?
- Stormwern, on 10/25/2009, -1/+3What about the companies that aren't highly profitable? GM just went bankrupt if you remember.
- fuzzynyanko, on 10/25/2009, -5/+7I love the idea, but the government should be careful about subsidies because of the massive budget deficit that started with Bush and continues with Obama
- TexanRudeBoy, on 10/26/2009, -0/+2So will it include subsidies for anyone making less than $250,000/year? We all know there won't be any new form of taxes on us, Obama said so.
- Bartboy919, on 10/25/2009, -0/+2Dude, they are now trying to infiltrate our public offices.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/speci ... - nmessick, on 10/25/2009, -2/+4is he though, or is he just not some sheep and able to look at different sources and make a decision for himself? At least the guy posted a link to some supporting evidence of his position.
- alais, on 10/25/2009, -2/+4You mean "***** the industry" that employs millions of Americans? Why not just cut to the chase and say ***** all those employees, ***** all those people and their livelhood, ***** those people who are out on the street because you fuctards wanted to stick it to the "man".
brilliant... - dsyoungblood, on 10/26/2009, -0/+1Translation : Boil the frog slowly enough that it doesn't jump out of the pot before the next election.
- curunir, on 10/27/2009, -0/+1@randyzaia
You forgot the word "highest". In fact, it's THE highest.
You must have a firm grasp of some "magic beans" kind of economics if you don't think that corporations pass their tax expenses on to the consumer. - randyzaia, on 10/26/2009, -1/+2The United States actually has one of the corporate income taxes in the world.
If your argument is "they just pass it on to the consumer" then you lack a basic understanding of economics. - Kungfumantis239, on 10/25/2009, -3/+4Actually, China has seen the opportunity in clean energy, and the amount of jobs in it. They're actually moving faster in reductions than we are, by a long shot. 40% by 2030? That's a slap in the face.
- URnotheonly1, on 10/26/2009, -1/+2it is readily available on the internet, I have provided facts and citation on this very subject on Digg multiple times.. 911, 1.5 Trillion in stock market losses and 900 billion in FEMA aid, we are not even taking the other effects on the economy....... get really old... you should know this
- rignopolis, on 10/25/2009, -2/+3The earth won't turn into a dead rock. Climate change is natures way of controlling the population. So no - we shouldn't throw in the towel, we should embrace it as a step in the planets evolution.
- inactive, on 10/25/2009, -1/+2you could have made the same points without making yourself sound like a fifteen year old *****. we're all adults here so speak like one or stfu.
- lostlyrics, on 10/25/2009, -1/+2http://digg.com/tech_news/EFF_defends_Yes_Men_from ...
the mentioned spot in saudi arabia indeed
getting cooler (kinda looks like) was hot enough
before though to boil even spamming eggheads grind. :P - inactive, on 10/25/2009, -2/+2The problem with everything that you said is that you did nothing to prove that we can do anything about it. Dragging down our economy will not change little and mostly will move emissions to places in the world where they will be nearly completely unregulated.
Proving that global warming is occuring and proving that we can change anything by chasing industry away to china are two entirely different points. - rignopolis, on 10/25/2009, -3/+3What they meant was there would be no impact on "global warming".
- lostlyrics, on 10/25/2009, -3/+3oh yes ℠
I've heard that I am brilliant. thanks :D
and that happens to be not only farspread opinion
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PS: buried because I do not fall to flattery. ✈http://digg.com/environment/Global_Warming_Alarmis ... - SirCharge, on 10/25/2009, -2/+2Does it seem that the legislature is making a ton of noise, yet not doing anything at all?
How many forms of cap and trade and health care reform are going to be written before they finally agree on bills that don't change anything whatsoever? - lostlyrics, on 10/25/2009, -3/+3if you should miss ÄtzPoop, folks
he just went out to throw up a bit. >8) - inactive, on 10/25/2009, -3/+3People just have to accept that in the future they won't have nice things like ipods and tv.
- inactive, on 10/26/2009, -3/+3@stormwern; Ok, so business must buy permit buy paying the goverment. A simple question...Where are these Companies getting those dollars from? Business does not print money and they cant borrow it, so they can't get it that way. Business Must make a profit to stay in business, and as profit margins are very tight they cant cut prices. If they do nothing and costs rise, they go out of business the economy tanks.
So where is the money going to come from? The only place a business can get the money it will need to pay for these 'Permits' is to charge You the consumer more for every good and service you buy or use. Yup, they get the money from You. Every penny every business or Corporation pays in taxes it gets from those that buy their products or use their services...Every Penny comes out of Our pocket, but because you don't see it, you do not object to the government increasing your taxes, No, they count on your ignorance. They count on you to get mad at the Corporation for raising prices. Its not their fault...they had no choice.
The old 'Stick it to the Corporations man!" cheer that the Progressives left loves to shout depends upon you not understanding this simple fact because there is no truth to it, and no one that has a modicum of understanding believes it.
Understand, if this law is passed, and these new programs put in place Business costs will go up across the board. Understand, its not just the Power Companies... we are talking about Every business in the USA. Every Company That Uses Energy. Every Company that uses energy to make, import ship or store Every product you buy.
Everything will go up, and Your standard of living will go down. Yes, it is that serious. - ericjohnson0, on 10/25/2009, -7/+6Climate Change is a Fraud and Myth. The Earth has been cooling for 10 years, not heating up. it is a huge scam based on junk science... Here is a LONG, LONG list of articles, etc. from hundreds of sources detailing how big Global Warming/ Climate Change really is...
http://thesaloon.net/blog?cmd=search&keywords= ... - georgelulu, on 10/25/2009, -4/+3Money has to come from some side such as taxes or increased prices to get things inline. But do you think a large company will change because of some love and gentleness or a some nice disciplinary efforts. I do know they need to be shown that they will be held accountable.
- URnotheonly1, on 10/25/2009, -4/+3you do know 911 took 2.4 trillion out of the economy in just two and one half hours???? Between stock market losses and Fema aid to NY city alone was 2.4 trillion, so with the Democrats jackass logic Bush actually cut that loss in half...
- Stormwern, on 10/25/2009, -4/+3Pretty sure capping emissions has something to do with climate dude, would be about as clever a way to get revenue as putting a toll both on the interstate otherwise.
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