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- GhostyBoy, on 02/20/2008, -2/+319How the ***** is this cult so resourceful?
- Edwaldo, on 02/20/2008, -3/+282Good article, if the ex-Scientologist individual retains possesion of an artifact, it's his, not the church's. I'd like to see Anonymous go ahead and take out the Scientologist accounts on eBay next.
- UberNick, on 02/20/2008, -2/+214FTA: "It's possible to argue that Scientology is engaging in price fixing ...unfair competition, discriminatory business practices..."
Anyone know if we can file a legitimate complaint with the Better Business Bureau for this? I just happen to be in the market for an e-meter, and they're price fixing! Class action? Anything? - oboy, on 02/20/2008, -8/+191In related news, North Korea has been granted access to our nuclear science database.
- swaddict, on 02/20/2008, -2/+128Just another reason to dump ebay
- reeder, on 02/20/2008, -9/+133Ebay needs to go down hard. Just like very other corporation, when they get to a certain size, they think they can do anything, to the detriment of their users.
I guess what I am saying is: "***** you Ebay!" - Ineedanap, on 02/20/2008, -0/+88uhhhhh.... might want to ask Tom Cruise about that one, that and all his MONEY- along with the rest of the hollywood types who follow this cult.
its all about money, and they happen to have an ass ton of it. - h0ser, on 02/20/2008, -3/+79i just cancelled my ebay account. They can go to hell.
- borez, on 02/20/2008, -2/+61Just build your own then
http://www.ralphhilton.org/emeter/ - diggitny, on 02/20/2008, -0/+57This provides an interesting issue for affecting the thing the CoS most cares about, the cashola. The owner of an e-meter who has paid good money for it should be able to sell it on the open market. Is there some kind of contract that Scientologists sign which prohibits them from selling the e-meter? If you buy the Dianetics book, of course you can sell it to a used book store. Same with other tapes and materials. Once you own them, you can sell them to anyone else. Same should apply to e-meters. Hope someone looks into this.
- bigskank, on 02/20/2008, -0/+46Yes, it is very possible. Under the Sherman Antitrust Act, price fixing is illegal. Price fixing has been defined by the supreme court as any action by two or more parties aimed at raising, pegging, or stabilizing prices. In order to sue under Sherman, you would have to allege that ebay and CoS are acting in concert (Sherman Act requires a "contract, combination, or conspiracy"... a single actor can't violate it without being a monopoly).
Short answer: Yes, it's possible - waynetheman, on 02/20/2008, -2/+45I find it interesting, especially in light of the VeRO Program info (above), that no one has noticed that the bulk of Scientology's strength revolves around the concept of copyright.
Without copyright, they wouldn't make millions off of Hubbard's books. Without copyright, they'd have no legal standing to prosecute others who put up information or talk about them, or to pressure groups/companies like eBay and bend them to their will.
Isn't it time we started taking a serious look at the legitimacy of this unintuitive (and historically recent) concept of "intellectual property"? - vroom101, on 02/20/2008, -3/+42From the article:
. . . The mechanism that permits the Church of Scientology (and others) such broad access and discretion is called the Verified Rights Owner ("VeRO") Program [ http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/programs-vero-ov.htm ... , pages.ebay.com/help/tp/programs-vero-ov.html ]. Membership in VeRO is obtained simply by submitting a form to eBay explaining that you are an Intellectual Property rights holder.
It should come as little surprise that VeRO members routinely overreach, as the cost of challenging a listing removal is almost always prohibitive. (See my paper on this subject here [ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/eBay-VE ... ], and see the brave husband and wife exception to this rule here [ http://www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/trademarks.htm ... ].) The VeRO Program makes a great deal of sense for some types of listings--counterfeit Rolexes and Gucci handbags appear on eBay with such frequent regularity that those companies would be hard pressed to handle these trademark violations any other way. . . . - inactive, on 02/20/2008, -0/+39If anyone really wants an e-meter all they have to do is tie jump rope handles to a battery, and viola! Instant fake device.
Can you imagine what would happen if Christians tried to ban the sell of crosses and the crucifix outside the church, would ebay comply? - indyGuy, on 02/20/2008, -0/+36I'd like to have one just to disassemble and post photos of it on the interwebs
- xptoast, on 02/20/2008, -1/+37Yes that would be nice. The attacks must grow stronger till we take them out.
- MCCULLAH, on 02/20/2008, -2/+37who would want to buy the e-meter nyway?
- XNihil0Zer0, on 02/20/2008, -0/+35It's possible to argue? No, its blatantly obvious.
- ryanonfire, on 02/20/2008, -1/+32Mysterious viral marketing, killing people and making it look like suicide and now this WTF
- inactive, on 02/20/2008, -0/+30I don't know, but these bastards are pissing off a lot of people. They can only push for so long before people start pushing back. And that's exactly what's started to happen.
- bigteebo, on 02/20/2008, -1/+30Who do these guys think they are? RIAA?
- davidsmero, on 02/20/2008, -5/+33Reason #348348334 why eBay is gay.
- inactive, on 02/20/2008, -2/+29Sooner of later, someone will see this message.
"This item cannot be sold due to thetans." - qwertydvorak, on 02/20/2008, -1/+28it shows that the scientologists don't have a smart one in the bunch. anyone knows that if they want to be able to control something you only allow it up for lease. the terms can be set and enforced that way. for reference see GM's EV-1.
- inactive, on 02/20/2008, -1/+27anonymous doesnt need to fight just Scientology but the ***** backing it.
- purzzzell, on 02/20/2008, -0/+25the Better Business Bureau is essentially useless
- manitoba98xp, on 02/20/2008, -0/+24I think you overestimate the percentage of eBay users on Digg.
- phantom_mullet, on 02/20/2008, -2/+25Google...I can has eBay clone?
- LMaxey, on 02/20/2008, -1/+24Just went to eBay
Searches for "scientology e meter" bring up a blank screen
Tried basketball, scientology, and e meter: They all worked
Back to scientology e meter and nothing
Not very discrete are they - gooovil, on 02/20/2008, -1/+23It's more or less an ammeter or voltmeter properly calibrated to skin resistance: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/cos-eme ...
And that technology is so obsolete. You can get digital meter for ten bucks or so with battery last longer :-) - JBmtk, on 02/20/2008, -0/+22actually......
- anamericangod, on 02/20/2008, -0/+22I want to leave them negative feedback.
- samssf, on 02/20/2008, -0/+21Wow, ebay just lost all my respect. Sweet. You'd think they'd be smart enough to not do that.
- xdcc, on 02/20/2008, -2/+23old news, china has been sharing it with them for a while.
- inactive, on 02/20/2008, -0/+21Anonymous should really come up with DIY plans for these e-meters, and distribute them freely.
- j1ggy, on 02/20/2008, -1/+20Good luck. Negative feedback is about to disappear.
- chronusmcgee, on 02/20/2008, -2/+21Anyone who cooperates with Co$ must be boycotted.
- inactive, on 02/20/2008, -0/+19Money, and with said money they are armed to the teeth with lawyers who are ready to file lawsuit at any second.
- saxx, on 02/20/2008, -1/+19March 15 gets closer by the day
Help make a stand - Endit, on 02/20/2008, -2/+19Scientologist: Those are only your thetans speaking. Now back to your corner so I can brainrape you some more.
- AriaStar, on 02/20/2008, -0/+16But this isn't regarding taking down counterfeits. They are removing authentic e-meters.
- xptoast, on 02/20/2008, -4/+20Time to make them lose revenue. Launch the DDos attacks on Ebay.
- Subriot, on 02/20/2008, -2/+17***** THE CoS AND THE RIAA, TOO!
- twishart, on 02/20/2008, -0/+15I didn't know what it was. I vaguely remember the Ghostbusters using something like it.
- sonicularulus, on 02/20/2008, -1/+16damn. and i was about to sell my e-meter for $0.99 with no reserve.... :(
- Dunhamzzz, on 02/20/2008, -1/+16Notice how all the comments are getting dugg down. WTG Co$ scum
- stewacide, on 02/20/2008, -0/+15Why would eBay allow them to remove legitimate listings?!?!?
- baronvonrolo, on 02/20/2008, -0/+15Mr. Spengler actually used a P.K. Meter.
I hear they work on the same principles anyways, those principles being, if it's got flashy lights and gauges it doesn't actually have to do anything.... much like the iPhone... I kid, I kid! - fraglessone, on 02/20/2008, -0/+14Type in "emeter" in ebay's search, it changes your search to exmeter! EBAY SUCKS
- postal21, on 02/20/2008, -0/+14How can you not sell the e-meters? Im really confused. Its your property, the stupid church cant claim the bibles in my house, why can scientology?
/mad about the principle of it all. -
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