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- 2k3john, on 10/11/2007, -4/+103About time.
- Arbus, on 10/11/2007, -4/+67When they're gone I'm allowed to buy CDs again right?
- jpt62089, on 10/11/2007, -1/+53This can be on the front page as many times as it likes... Within the next two days. I am just glad that someone is FINALLY standing up against those things.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+45***** the RIAA.
- spidoman, on 10/11/2007, -5/+36Right now it's all black because it's night. Screw you, you're a liar and a phony.
THIS GUY'S A PHONY! - Marijuana, on 10/11/2007, -2/+31I remember the good ol' days when we said "***** THE POLICE". I guess every generation has a "man" they are trying to stick it to.
- Iconwolf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+26It doesn't really matter if this individual case goes anywhere or not, as much as it does that momentum against the RIAA is building. And increasing number of defendants are resisting the RIAA's extortion tactics (and the are extortion tactics regardless of how the industry wishes to portray themselves) and some of those cases are in fact being won (setting precedents for future cases:
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/28/0111205&from=rss
http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2007/05/riaa-drops-another-case-in-chicago.html
http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/02/scoop_label_mus.html
And despite their insinuations to the contrary, the do not represent the needs (or even the voice/opinions) of a growing number of artists:
RIAA Claims Ownership of All Artist Royalties For Internet Radio
http://slashdot.org/articles/07/04/29/0335224.shtml
Key quote: "So how it works is that SoundExchange collects money through compulsory royalties from Webcasters and holds onto the money. If a label or artist wants their share of the money, they must become a member of SoundExchange and pay a fee to collect their royalties."
So not only are the extorting their customers, they are extorting their clients too.
RIAA Petitions Judges to Lower Artist Royalties
http://gear.ign.com/articles/749/749883p1.html
Allmans, Cheap Trick sue Sony
http://www.mp3.com/news/stories/4310.html
Major labels: the problem the music
http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/
opinion pieces:
Janis Ian
http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html
http://blogs.salon.com/0001455/stories/2003/03/26/janisIansFalloutfollowUpToTheInternetDebacleArticle.html
Courtney Love (this one was surprising lucid from her)
http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html
Dick Dale
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8AJxc3Lxn4o
Candian Music Creators Coalition
http://www.musiccreators.ca/wp/
OK Go
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/06/opinion/06kulash.html?ex=1291525200&en=8f95ed31d4548c37&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
These are by no means the extent of the links I have (not by a long shot) refuting the RIAA claims and slight of hand sound bites step by step and point by point. There's the payola scandals, the regional price fixing, the Sony rootkit. And there are plenty of non-RIAA alternatives out there including:
http://www.emusic.com/browse/all.html
http://payplay.fm/ (not quite a good value as eMusic, but I did find some stuff eMusic doesn't seem to have)
and lastly for those who want to be sure they aren't supporting the RIAA:
http://www.riaaradar.com/ - jpt62089, on 10/11/2007, -3/+26Wait... Don't we still say that?
- AriaStar, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23Well let's see. They fined that 12-year-old, as you may remember, as well as a few people without computers. If the options are to pay a couple thousand to the RIAA or several thousand or more for an attorney to fight it in court, well, yeah, that's extortion. They know most people can't afford an attorney and so will have a judgment levied against them.
I think that, if the RIAA goes after someone, the RIAA should be required to pay the attorney fees for an attorney of the defendant's choosing (since the RIAA is already so wealthy, and this will prevent them from suing those without money). If the RIAA loses, they have to pay to the defendant the amount they were trying to get. If the defendant loses, then the defendant will have to pay back the attorney fees as well as the fee the RIAA sued for. - Murdats, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16@ariastar
its how it usually works here in australia, and guess what, no mass suing spree by our version of the RIAA, maybe the tiny outburst of propaganda, but they know they can only dream of doing what the RIAA does, as goes for a large chunk of the world.
its good to live in a country where the governments and legal systems arent run by those who can buy them - themoose, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13I had a dream that the RIAA stormed my bathroom because I was singing too loud in the shower.
- Fhwqhgads, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Extortion and conspiracy? They're just realizing this NOW?
- TheTaoOfBill, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13A PHONY POSTED HERE! A BIG FAT PHONY!
- yensed, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9My #1
- hotsake, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5You'll never catch me alive, music industry coppa! M'yeah, see?
- tektalk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Someone's going to say this sooner or later:
***** Yes! ***** you RIAA and the rest of your ***** bastard allies. - oriondarkwood, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4How I love to extort and conspire let me count the ways
Government
Cops
Walmart
Microsoft
IBM
Oil Companies
Lending Companies
Paycheck Lenders
Rent to Own places
Check Cashers
Banks
Phone Companies
Big Fat Cat corps
And people wonder why they feel like they been bum rushed without any lube at the end of the day..
America is quickly becoming a dictatorship of the worse kind, for the people are bound in chains, thin as a spider web, stronger than diamond and invisible to almost all... - shredswithpiks, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I like your solution because I believe the most influential votes we have are made through the spending of our money.
I haven't purchased an RIAA CD in over 6 years. - Shaman760, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Not only has the RIAA shot off both its feet, but now it's about to bleed to death.
Say bye-bye to the RIAA. The music business as we've known it for the past 60 years has sealed it's fate. Frank Zappa would cry tears of joy. - zombiedepot, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Haven't they always extorted and conspired? Before they were ripping innocent people off, they were just ripping off the artists.
- Derrekito, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I refuse to purchase anything from anyone having ties with RIAA or MPAA. can't wait until I can purchase the media I want, owning the material, being allowed to have copies for my own use, have converted formats (HD-DVD, Blue Ray, mp3, FLAC, PSP, IPOD, etc) without having to fork out more money. If I was allowed to do all that plus not fear having malware installed on my PC, I would purchase media again. Until then, independent movies and independent music ftw.
- betterth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3What fantasy world do you live in and can I join you?
Shot off both it's feet and can't survive? The RIAA is doing superbly, posting profits and continuing their march of dominance over the music industry. Their lawsuits have had exactly the effect they desire, and while we don't fear them, many, many, many people do.
I agree they need to go in the ***** faster than a dead goldfish, but there's absolutely nothing to even suggest that they're doing anything but getting stronger. - Iconwolf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"If this is indeed a simple countersuit, this could be a TERRIBLE move on the defendant's part. Filing a counterclaim places the burden of proof on HER, and not the RIAA for the overall case."
Only if the case actually goes to trial. So far the RIAA has refused to allow any cases to actually go to trial, even if they have to get them dismissed with prejudice (although they try to fight even this with everything they have short of actually having to go to trial) and pony up legal fees. While the woman's claims will likely to be found without merit, they do NOT want to have to defend their own claims in court because they know they are almost as likely to be found just as frivolous. It could be a very SMART move on her part, because the RIAA is far more likely to offer HER money rather than allow a case to actually go to trial.
They know the writing is on the wall concerning their legal efforts in this department. Sure they'll be able to dupe people into paying up for some time to come, but as the RIAA has to drop more and more cases, and even pay fees or "settlements" of their own in some instances, their efforts will begin to decrease. Why do you think they've started revving up efforts in other areas like trying to force internet and terrestrial radio to cough up greater fees, getting artist royalties rates decreased, or actually force artists into contracts where the labels get a cut of tour and merchandising revenue (where most artists really make their money) and not just the bulk of their artists CD sales. - arbulus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Is this like the Badgers flash loop?
- merelyjim, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Okay, for the Canadians and Australians out there; stop making fun of the the Untied Stated Legal system... it's the best that money can buy. {file under [sad/true]}
- AriaStar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@ murdats:
I've been told in detail how the Australian government works, and I like it. Here, those who run for high officers are the wealthy ones. Even running for local office can be expensive. Whereas in AU, you work your way up.
I hate how the system is here, and it's not as easy as just leaving. The government doesn't allow that. If we're sued, we pay the attorney fees. Under most circumstances, we can not get them reimbursed. Now if you can prove, via an attorney in court (presuming you have money left) that those suing you did so maliciously, then you MIGHT have a chance. But good luck on that one. And you're still out the attorney fees to sue to get the first fees reimbursed. Lose-lose, at best. - oriondarkwood, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@iconwolf - I think I found the excat term that fits the bill
Kleptocracy: a government characterized by rampant greed and corruption - bsiviglia9, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2How about using the 6 media giants that own and control all TV, radio and publishing? Why use force wen you can just brainwash?
- Derrekito, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@ Marijuana
Our "man" is Bush and his cabinet, RIAA, and MPAA. - shredswithpiks, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2isn't picking random names out of the phonebook just as bad?
- XIUgraag, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6PHONY!!
- Iconwolf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2BTW, to support the contention this might actually be a smart move in the defendant's case, I can refer to this story:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070604-riaa-throws-in-the-towel-in-atlantic-v-andersen.html
Note the RIAA was actually willing, even volunteered, to have the case dismissed, and dismissed WITH prejudice and risk having to pay attorney's fees, rather than allow the case to go to trial. To the best of my knowledge, the RIAA has yet to allow a single case to proceed to an actual trial. The assumption is because they know in an actual trial their entire argument will be shown to be entirely bogus, and once such a precedent is set, all future lawsuits will be much easier to dismiss. - arbulus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Oh no you din't...Orlando is the shiznit baby!
/joke.
//I do love Orlando though. - Gir53457, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1a nub is a US military term/slang, Specifically Navy and if you're serving in a submarine.
- Gir53457, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Not with lots of money and the US legal system's favoring of large corporations. They could even create their own personal army and outfit them with fully automatic weapons. That's right, The US government allows any corporation to hire it's own mercenaries.
- merelyjim, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Thank you, Captain Obvious! But, you're right. I really hate those guys.
- Ultramagnus0001, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Well Duh
- highlyirritable, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1No matter what, if you get tied up in a lawsuit, judgment or no, it hits you square in the wallet with all the lawyers fees and time off to go to trial. Plus, it goes very public, either way they win a small battle.
- TimDigg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1By this time next year the RIAA will be no more....my empire will crush them!!!!!
I PROMISE YOU!!!!!
TG... :) - radio1mike, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Every time I think the RIAA can't get any more or worse publicity, they do...
Wow! - mynameistim, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1name stealer
- Phoenix99, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Wooo! Burn baby burn!!!!
- Iconwolf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Thank you. Given her reputation, I was rather surprised how coherent her argument was myself. The other thing is that her piece isn't new either, if you look at the date (and some of her points), it came out around the time of the (original) Napster case. Same thing with the Janis Ian articles. Both are over a half decade old, yet perhaps more relevant today than they were at the time of there writings. Plus, unlike myself, whose just an "armchair" music fan, these are well established "players" in the industry.
I like to read, and I'm an information junky. I've actually read every single one of those links thoroughly (plus all comments as well, where applicable). In fact when I read stories on sites like Digg or Techdirt or Slashdot I don't just read the articles I read all the comments (well except for Slashdot because of the lame way their comments are structured, but I try to) too. Yeah. a lot of time comments are mostly chaff, but sometimes some very interesting dialogue or debates can break out. - mynameisjody, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Buried. Duplicate of a story in technology. http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Florida_defendant_goes_after_RIAA_for_fraud_conspiracy_and_extortion
- MarkOfTheDead, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1dugg for knowing your ***** and backing it up really well. that courtney love piece was amazing.
- pigfister, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1an interesting broadcast on the bbc click site, interviews the singer/songwriter & producer Peter Gabriel can be found here about the music industries failed business model http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/default.stm
the broadcast is available until 9/6/07 - Iconwolf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"America is quickly becoming a dictatorship of the worse kind,"
Actually, Oligarchy would be a more correct term. Dictatorship would suggest we are being led largely by one person, and most would suggest that person is Bush (or in some would argue Cheney pulling Bush's strings). I disagree with the assertion. Bush has two key flaws. First, he is unfailingly loyal. This is ordinarily an positive attribute, except for the second flaw. He has extremely poor judgment in selecting, friends, advisers, and colleagues. Blind loyalty to people one shouldn't be loyal to is a negative, not a positive. Of course I spent most of my life in Chicago, and Mayor Daley suffers from the same flaws (not to mention both have an amazing ability to butcher the English language), so I'm not unaccustomed to the results. - DTJunkie07, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I love Tampa, FL. Everyone here is so chill. We don't take ***** from anybody and as far as the RIAA goes well, ***** 'em.
- GreatSunJester, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Name every congresscritter who took money from them as conspirators (I don't care what party they are!), Oh well, I can dream.
- uknowwhoibe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0@gir5347
"nub" isn't a military slang word...more like "noob" twisted...much more like a computer gamer shortened word -
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