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- spyd3rweb, on 12/21/2008, -2/+205Should have just paid with a picture of a 7 legged spider painted in MS paint that is valued at $21K
- doublefelix, on 12/21/2008, -0/+149The strippers in those parts must hate him.
- Infowarsdotcom, on 12/21/2008, -22/+155Isn't it interesting that you have to pay a tax, which is essentially asking permission, to live on land that you "own?"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-857773152 ... - CkMaverick, on 12/21/2008, -1/+128He still has several more coins to go through before it comes down to pennies... Good for him.
- normlsparky, on 12/21/2008, -0/+105Definitely pay with nickels if they refuse pennies.
- Noit, on 12/21/2008, -1/+85He's retired, he has plenty of time to stick it to the man.
- CoD4, on 12/21/2008, -3/+75Looks like he nickel and dimed them
- DrunkenPirate34, on 12/21/2008, -0/+71They may say they won't accept pennies, but they have to. Its legal US tender valid for all debts public and private.
- Shaggy3, on 12/21/2008, -2/+73I did this with pennies in high school to pay for a novel the teacher insisted I never handed in. I of course handed it in weeks ago, but I was told I wouldn't receive my grades if I didn't pay the money.
Really caught the lady off guard with a bag of pennies. She wasn't sure what to do and kept insisting I count them to make sure it was exactly $12.. Which I just kept responding that I had already counted them at home and asked her how would she know I wasn't lying if she didn't count them herself. - unknownpoltroon, on 12/21/2008, -1/+70if i owe you money, and you wont accept legal tender, then great!! I don't need to pay you.
- msaleem, on 12/21/2008, -7/+72Sure it's funny, but I wonder how much trouble he put himself through to make the point.
- wipis, on 12/21/2008, -21/+81Property taxes pay for the police that protect you, the schools for your children, the hospitals that care for you, keep your streets clean and repaired, books in the library, garbage off the curb, parks, clean water, clean air and about 100 other things. I'm not saying property taxes are not out of control (I live in NJ). What I'm saying is if you don't want clean, safe, enjoyable place to live the government has 2 alternatives for you; Jail and The Army. So your not paying the government for your land your paying for their services. Sure it's like paying protection money to the mob but we could just let GE and the oil companies take over the world.
- inverselogic, on 12/21/2008, -1/+56Yeah but if you think about it, its a good way of protesting taxes while not getting sent to prison.
- JonnyLatte, on 12/21/2008, -0/+50its uncommon because he had them
- fragileKnight, on 12/21/2008, -0/+43Did he hire a truck for the same?
- inactive, on 12/21/2008, -7/+50That's just not true. Many of those things are paid for by other taxes, charges on utility bills, and in the case of hospitals, they're not government affiliated. Most of what property taxes go for (at least here in Illinois) is city services and schools. By charging property taxes annually, they nullify your ownership rights to your home. In practice, you don't own it, you rent it from the government. Legally, you don't own the property, you own the house and the soil on top the property ... the government or other interested parties own whatever is underneath it, and they reserve the right to charge you to use it.
I'm all for ending property taxes and replacing it with a system that doesn't kick people out of the homes they own for not paying their "rent". Whether it's a sales tax, or itemized fees on a utility bill, people need to have their ownership rights restored. - 9bpm9, on 12/21/2008, -1/+36How the hell did he get his hands on 21,000 Susan B. Anthony dollar coins? He must have gone to multiple banks, because I can't see a single bank carrying that much of such an uncommon currency.
- ZombieSociety, on 12/21/2008, -0/+33For the funeral costs you'll have to pay after moving into a $21K house in Detroit.
- Jasonstech, on 12/21/2008, -1/+34The guy got an article written about it, also while having exposure to everyone who reads digg at least. So you ask what was the point? It should seem obvious.
- Infowarsdotcom, on 12/21/2008, -4/+37You mean, a fiat currency is less valuable than precious metals?
Blasphemy! - michelspc, on 12/21/2008, -0/+30He's not retired. Sticking it to the man is his job.
- inactive, on 12/21/2008, -1/+27I had enough of this ***** for the night. I'm coming over with my shotgun.
Your next door neighbor. - AlienMushroom, on 12/21/2008, -6/+31I bet the coins themselves worth far more than the face value.
- Xizer, on 12/21/2008, -0/+25You could buy a house in detroit without the k attached to the end.
- inactive, on 12/21/2008, -4/+28Property taxes are a monthly rent imposed by the king to live on the land you own. It is a manifestation of feudalism and It must be abolished now.
- ileftfark, on 12/21/2008, -2/+26@yuanzhoulu:
What part of 'debt' don't you understand? You don't owe the vending machine *****. In the US, if you owe someone a debt, they are required to accept US legal tender, which necessarily includes pennies. This case falls under that category. Your weak analogy does not. - maz2331, on 12/21/2008, -0/+23No - in the USA, every coin or bill ever emitted by the government is legal tender forever and for all purposes.
- JonnyLatte, on 12/21/2008, -6/+29@wipis
so it's a protection racket eh? - criterion100, on 12/21/2008, -13/+35I don't see the point in doing this. Hes not inconveniencing any of the politicians by paying in coins, only the poor people who work at the city council building.
- nmanguy, on 12/21/2008, -7/+29Yeah, because nothing says "SCREW YOU!" to the government like making under payed employees count coins while the people who have any influence still do nothing.
- orangederange, on 12/21/2008, -3/+25$21k in tax is ridiculous! could buy a house in detroit with that... and have some left over.
- lolwaffle, on 12/21/2008, -0/+22"Alford said his property taxes have gone up 48 percent since 2006, and tax relief recently passed by the Indiana Legislature has done nothing for people who own rental property."
48% !!! - maz2331, on 12/21/2008, -0/+22He made sure that the time and energy expended by the low-level employees at least somewhat offset the amount of the taxes. This, indirectly at least, made at least some of the money "lost" to the taxing authority.
And, it is a great way to say "***** you". - statismisdead, on 12/21/2008, -5/+26Property taxes are keeping Americans poor.
- spookyttws, on 12/21/2008, -1/+21Civil disobedience. Use what they're gouging you with against them. Except, it's really just a burden on the bank employees who counted it, and the man himself for all the extra work, my guess is the armored truck company handled it and the office itself felt little. And even if they did, it was just the lower rung employees. But I like the idea, it's sends a message.
- jojopumpkin, on 12/21/2008, -4/+23In the current and future economic environment the young people will likely not experience home ownership as the older folks have and property taxes shouldn't be their major concern.
They ... We ... will be inundated with new taxes beyond anything we have experienced before. EVERYTHING is getting taxed. New York State is implimenting the obesity tax, new fuel tax, cable and internet tax, online purchase tax and that is just the tip of the iceberg for the total of 88 new taxes the Governor wants to impliment.
Some states want to tax you annually on your accrued mileage of your vehicle, convert all msjor interstates to toll roads using an soon to be mandetory ezpass sevice. Meaning, no money, no travel. Pushing the masses into the major cities.
I'm sure most states will be raising their property taxes heavily too.
Also keep in mind that the government owns the banks or is it the banks own the government now?... Regardless, because of this properties are now on lien by the government, and they can do with your property what they want. Home values are crap right now which means the government's imminent domain can now be applied to any property they need for the new highway infrastructure giving you 'fair market' value or the better know term is 'crap'. I don't see a fair market, do you?
So yeah, the young people will never know what it used to be like owning a home nor is it likely they will ever own a home. This economy isn't coming back ANYTIME SOON and it is not likely the future Obama work brigade will be paid any type of reasonable salary where owning a home would be feasible.
If you haven't noticed, we are on the edge of a depression's crater with no clue to it's depth. States are going broke, the credit and housing markets are in shambles, retail will be decimated after the holidays, most people trying to save won't be able to afford anything with the money they saved because the dollar will be useless, we are riding on 2 (soon to be 4) military fronts (Iraq, Afghansitan, Pakistan and Homeland Security Forces on our streets 'Northcom'), with the threat of an all out World War if we can't keep a lid on Israel.
Even if after the dust settles from the finacial makets and there are people that CAN afford anything, they will be taxed into poverty like the rest of us and forced into the Government's Welfare and Civil Service programs.
So I don't think property tax should be on the minds of our youth at this time as thay have a MUCH, MUCH bigger pile pf crap on their plates than we ever did. My question to them is: Will they accept it like we seem to be doing?
With that I say Merry Crisis - awfl, on 12/21/2008, -1/+20@JohnFromChicago
How many young people are raised in this country that do not understand that very idea?
At least until they have already spent on a house or real estate.
I agree with you. We may never regain our base property rights, but somehow young people need to be informed and allow them to make appropriate choices, and I trust they would given any opportunity. - rancemo, on 12/21/2008, -0/+18No, according to coinflation.com, the metal in those coins is worth $0.03 each.
- AlienMushroom, on 12/21/2008, -1/+18Fortunately I bet a penny.
- DrunkenPirate34, on 12/21/2008, -2/+19I just calculated that roughly:
$40,000 = 4,000,000 pennies
4,000,000 pennies @ 2.5 grams per penny = 10000000g worth of pennies
10000000g = 22,000lbs = 11 tons = 18 wheeler truck (without trailer)
He wouldn't be bringing that in any garbage cans. Even if he loaded up each can with 400lbs of pennies it would take 55 cans to get $40,000. That IF he had a buddy or something to help him move 400lbs of pennies, otherwise it would be more like 110-120 cans.
Not that you could even fit 400lbs of pennies in a 80 gallon trash can anyways. That would be over 72,574 pennies.
This is assuming that he is using post 1982 pennies too, if half of those pennies were pre 1982 pennies it would increase the weight dramatically (About .61g extra per penny) - GrooTheWanderer, on 12/21/2008, -1/+18I like it. We can't do this in Australia though - coins are not legal tender over a certain amount ($20 or so, not sure) so they don't have to accept the payment. Aren't there similar laws in the US?
- xkorbin, on 12/21/2008, -1/+17The concept of debt is what makes the argument valid. You are required to accept pennies if you are indebted to someone. If there is no debt "yet," sure you can reject whatever form of currency you want.. It's refusal of business.
If you are legally in debt, and even more so with some form of government, yes, it must be accepted. - emazur, on 12/21/2008, -2/+17Anyone here a fan of tv show 'The Practice'? I remember an episode where a tax protester wrote his checking account number, dollar amount, and signature on a greased pig and deposited said pig in the tax office. Hilarity ensued, he went to court and was found not guilty. If I recall, in his case he was protesting against the city when firefighters refused to come in a timely fashion to keep his house from burning down, but a whopping 48% property tax increase in 2 years as mentioned in this story is pretty damn bad as well.
- idavidtang, on 12/21/2008, -1/+16If they refuse that too then the only choice is to appease them with Canadian dollars.
- securitymonkey, on 12/21/2008, -2/+17Somebody needs to get laid.
:) - prchamp, on 12/21/2008, -6/+21A nice way to stick it to the man.
- inactive, on 12/21/2008, -1/+15If payment is offered and NOT accepted, It's like they've given you a gift, and you may have to pay tax on that gift, but the debt has been discharged!
at least that's how I'm gonna look at if I were a juror - psylence, on 12/21/2008, -0/+14And presumably provides reasonably priced rental property for plenty of people, maintains said property, etc. Do you hate all business owners or are you just kinda stupid?
- angryfirelord, on 12/21/2008, -0/+14Taxes in general combined with inflation are keeping Americans poor.
- aceakm, on 12/21/2008, -0/+14My new neighbors just moved in, some young kids. They were really loud, then at 2:34 this morning, I heard two gunshots... Oh well.
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