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- davidryal, on 10/09/2008, -0/+22an OTEC power plant would take a tiny fraction of the warmth in the ocean... it's like powering an ant with the residual heat of a nuclear power plant (in terms of magnitude)
- sustainablogger, on 10/09/2008, -1/+19Would this be excess absorbed heat (caused by climate change), or would that not be factored in? If the latter case is right, couldn't this be damaging (in theory, anyway)? Of course, we may not be able to capture enough to make any noticeable difference. I know the company says it would be "relatively harmless," but I'd rather hear about potential harm from a knowledgeable third party...
- jerryjamesstone, on 10/09/2008, -0/+16wow, that is neat...
- moredown, on 10/09/2008, -1/+13lets do it then
- inactive, on 10/09/2008, -6/+16In other news, Lockheed-Martin's clusterbombs are still blowing the limbs off children in southern Lebanon.
- gospe1337, on 10/10/2008, -2/+11Lockheed gains +2 karma. Lockheed now has -8,999.
- orlyfactor, on 10/10/2008, -0/+8I don't know if it's the recent talks of trillions and billions of dollars being thrown into financial markets, but 1.2 million for a project that seems to have a potential huge reward seems like a GREAT investment for a very low price.
- Zervaman, on 10/10/2008, -0/+8I don't know about you guys, but Lockheed Martin has a damn impressive resume: SR-71 Blackbird, F-117 Nighthawk, F-22 Raptor, etc.
- TJ11240, on 10/09/2008, -1/+9If anything, I'd wager that mixing up ocean water would introduce nutrients and minerals that would be beneficial to sea life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_thermal_energy_ ... has nothing to say about possible environmental concerns.
Hell of a lot better than the status quo, right? - inactive, on 10/10/2008, -0/+8Really? You think after all the hype about the rising ocean temperatures, people wouldn't mind if we started harvesting some of that heat.
The cool thing about the ocean is that it's huge, about 1.3 billion km^2 in fact. Another cool thing is that it's liquid, so it flows around and mixes together. It also is constantly being warmed by the sun!
Why is this a big deal at all? It's freaking awesome if they can get it to work! - inactive, on 10/10/2008, -2/+9Really? You think after all the hype about the rising ocean temperatures, people wouldn't mind if we started harvesting some of that heat.
The cool thing about the ocean is that it's huge, about 1.3 billion km^2 in fact. Another cool thing is that it's liquid, so it flows around and mixes together. It also is constantly being warmed by the sun!
Why is this a big deal at all? It's freaking awesome if they can get it to work! - sustainablogger, on 10/09/2008, -0/+6OK, yeah... I thought that was probably the case... thanks!
- inactive, on 10/10/2008, -5/+11***** those *****. They have technologies sitting on black shelves that could produce unlimited clean energy for all the people in a decentralized fashion, but of course that's not profitable enough.
- warriorscot, on 10/10/2008, -0/+6Are you a Scientist? An oceanographer, Engineer, geologist or biologist.
Unless you are one of those shut up, you don't know what you are talking about and if you do provide evidence to back yourself up. - diggydougie, on 10/10/2008, -0/+6Just pumping up the cool water to replace air conditioning in major cities would go a long way to alleviating oil burning. It has always bothered me that you have to burn something to cool something. I know that this system is a different approach, but there's room for both.
- Leviathan433, on 10/10/2008, -0/+5Engineering is engineering. You have a problem - an engineer provides a solution.
It isn't as if they are going to be like' "Wait, this doesn't kill babies...Well I am stumped! How can we power this device without the souls of a thousand unborn baby seals clubbed in the womb?" - sockpuppets, on 10/10/2008, -1/+6We need to capture that heat to power one massive air conditioner. There, global warming solved!
- diggydougie, on 10/10/2008, -1/+5The term "swords into plowshares" comes into mind. Also you really have to get a grip on the scale of the ocean to understand that this would have minimal impact. And any impact would be local. And if this were to be adopted everywhere I think that it would still be less harmful than the current carbon burning.
- directedition, on 10/10/2008, -1/+51.2 million? That's not nearly enough to develop anything seriously. A smaller company that knows how to spend frugally might be able to make a little something with that money, but not a convoluted defense contractor. It's a cheap PR gig.
- Enron, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4Don't worry, I already talked to Captain Planet. He said it's okay.
- orlyfactor, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4so they used to have UNDER negative 9,000?!?!
- inactive, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4I'm going into the Navy for Nuclear Energy in about two to three weeks, I want to take everything I learn, graduate out and develop a geothermal energy and a waste free nuclear generator (or at least develop more or new ones if geothermal plants are existing then). This is a promise, we need to change things and use the energy around us!
- inactive, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4hey he probably saw it on that show with johnathan brandis and the talking dolphin, i mean that was pure factual based anyway
- inactive, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3This is another marginal idea that will no doubt soon appear as a democrat talking point. Sure there is a thermal gradient between the ocean surface abyssal depths but it is at most 30 deg C. That is just not enough temperature difference to produce usable power.
- DiggityDugged, on 10/10/2008, -3/+6A) I doubt that's enough money to do it
B) I doubt Lockheed Martin needs the money - str8lazy, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3Agreed, since most people are concerned with trying to save the planet, the best way to do this would be to not screw it up in the first place, right? Well unless you like El Niño and want to give oil companies a really poor excuse to charge more for crude oil.
- kompostela, on 10/09/2008, -5/+8I wish we can use such energy sooner:)
- MusicMagi, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3compelling argument. your input is clearly a huge asset to this discussion.
jackass. - inactive, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3Some things actually make more fish come. the heat expelled at the bottom will probably want to rise like heat does. if they can make it bring up some sediment it would be very beneficial for ocean life.
- warriorscot, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3The dev is done Lockheed is just building the large scale prototype.
- madfastride, on 10/09/2008, -3/+6It's like taking a fraction of the ocean out of a very concentrated area. The local change in temperature is still harmful to the eco-system. It's like me bringing your house down to 0 (C or F doesn't matter) and saying well I'm only changing the average temperature of the houses in _______ by a very small fraction.
- FlyingPhotog, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3I'm more in favor of capturing the energy produced by the ocean waves themselves. Changing water temperature does damage ecosystems. See the Great barrier Reef for example.
On the plus side, lower sea temperatures would stifle hurricane damage potential. - mountainweb, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3Hey, Its a positive step in the right direction! Tired of the crap that anything that anyone does is "damage ecosystems". People need to stop crying "Wolf" without a clue as to what they are talking about.
- inactive, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2the ocean is big?
- AugustusOsari, on 10/10/2008, -1/+3inb4theandromedastrain
- randumbusername, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2you wanted government to "solve problems", well it's "solving" them.
waste of money imo but what did you big government lovers expect??
obama's gonna change this.....lol. - Archer007, on 10/10/2008, -1/+3ACs do not "create" cold:
http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2007/06/03/w ... - Frostek, on 10/10/2008, -1/+3Those are no doubt great for killing people, but this is a different type of problem we'd like solving...
- hellsing47, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2$1.2 Million?
That doesn't seem like a lot for this type of project. - sikosmurf, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2Yeah, a 1.2 million dollar contract is probably between 3 and 5 people. Don't work too hard, guys...
- xevidentx, on 10/10/2008, -2/+3you are a nutjob. lockheed martin makes great products, defense AND commercial. they have been very innovative and made lots of technological advances. while you may not agree with the need for fighter jets, they protect your freedom and they create jobs here in the USA.
obama 08 - DrDragun, on 10/10/2008, -0/+1This is the equivalent of stirring. It's taking heat from the surface warm water and moving it to the bottom cold water. It is moving this heat by an evaporation / condensation heat pump instead of stirring, but it accomplishes the same end of transferring warmth downward and cool upward.
This system doesn't remove any net heat fromt he ocean, it simply capitalizes on the gradient of hot/cold between the surface and depths.
I think any interference with the environment would be limited to the local disruption caused by building the structure itself, but not much more than that. - onlysc, on 10/09/2008, -3/+4interesting! we need to explore more ideas like this and not
http://digg.com/environment/Drill_Baby_Drill_Top_R ... - DrDragun, on 10/10/2008, -0/+1For 1.2mil?
8-10% is the lead engineer's salary for 1 year, another 7-8% is the construction foreman's pay. Sounds like they have enough money to hire about 4 guys and half a boat. - sockpuppets, on 10/10/2008, -0/+1Yes it was sarcastic.
- inactive, on 10/10/2008, -2/+3Can digg check the js scripting, posting on Linux is becoming a god damned mess. I can't edit stuff properly and the comment box does bouncy bouncy garbage so you have to reload the script.
- Jlaugh, on 10/11/2008, -0/+1At least -1 for every person there technology has killed. Probably way more than -9k
- Archer007, on 10/10/2008, -0/+1Really? I had no idea.
- MusicMagi, on 10/10/2008, -1/+2It seems like the time is approaching where we may need to decide on hurting other species in order to preserve ourselves.. Just a thought
- mugupo, on 10/10/2008, -2/+3Oh great, which mean all the fish that live in Ocean might be R.I.P. soon.
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