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- drmangrum, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Many of the jobs are starting to make their way back to the States. Companies have come to realize that communication actually matters. When your customers can't understand a damn thing your employees are saying and visa versa, then the entire endeavor is pointless. This isn't just call centers, but software development as well. Corporations jumped on outsourcing because they saw a quick way to save a buck and hoped for long-term gains.
Whenever I hear an Indian on the other side of the line, I'll give them a chance. If I have to tell them more than twice that I can't understand what they are saying, "Sorry, No thank you" - anillop, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11...and so are you.
- monkeybacon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"*yawn* NOT front page material."
Why not, cause it doesn't involve naked women, video games, Apple, or movie trailers?
The point is India has already moved past the stage of taking on low level outsourcing jobs like call centers and performing menial tasks. This is a trend that could have a huge impact on America and the way of life we all enjoy today. - shiftt, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11RTA. Sending senior executives with global responsibilities is not the same thing as outsourcing your local call center.
IMO this is bad for the United States but beneficial for humanity as a whole. The spread of wealth and opportunities is vital for increasing the standards of living for people around the world. - avik42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/in.html
http://www.censusindia.net/results/provindia3.html
Indian Education data .
Being born in India and being a Canadian citizen, I am very passionate about both countries. For some reason I am very passionate about US, probably because it's the country that's built on the most beautiful philosophy of humanity regardless of current events and I always wanted to live there.
Please don't get me wrong, like every Gov of any country, Indian Gov does many many things that makes me want to scream. But education is one thing they are actually trying to do something about. And they are working hard to meet. The population is huge and the country is very old and the resources are scarce, that makes for a very volatile mix. A lot of taboos to overcome and a lot of stigma and a ton of political infighting makes the challenge even harder. But this is one part their are actually making headway. And you can look at the global picture it is very clear from their space programs to nuclear programs to Open Source adaptation etc. They are starting to collaborate with world scientific powers and holding their own. They are learning from the US, Russia, England and they are contributing enough for these great nations to find them useful (I bet the 2nd biggest market in the world helps too). I think I am very proud of what they are achieving on the macroscopic scale.
Of course there are some strategic investments in which Indian Gov has pushed forward. But it's not importing of offshore business. That is not their long term investment. That is what makes a short term viable business invest and they are very much aware of it. And every thing you mentioned about Gov policy, I agree except the "ellite India" part. There is handful of ways to attract international businesses to invest in your country. To get great nations like US, Brit, Russia to invest in your science. They are doing what they must to make themselves viable in the global market. It is not different that any other country, including the great nation of USofA.
You make a very valid point. Yes, many many people can't make it to post secondary education because of cost. But, many many people do. There is no black and white solution for this massive population. But the effort still stands. And the numbers are increasing. The World is predicting them to come to power higher than that of China. I am betting they are doing somethings right. - jpop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It would be more entertaining if they were outsourcing the senior executives instead of moving them...
- avik42, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16Are you retarded or are you one of those Americans who knows everything about the world but never left your backyard yet??
Education is available to ANYONE in India if they are willing to goto school. Primary education is provided by the Gov free of charge. There are private schools where you can send your child which costs money. There are private hostels you can send your child too, which costs even more. I attended private school (St. Julian Day High School) till grade 8 (the first 15 years of my life).
Children going to Gov schools on average do better in universities/colleges. To enter any of these college or universities you need to write an exam commonly known as "Entrance exam". This is standardized testing and you can write it in your mother tongue(state language) or Hindi (national language) or in English.
Going to university/college costs money and that's not affordable by everyone. But many many people goto college/university, regardless of poor or rich. There are gov programs to help the poor to afford this. The process is not perfect but it works in most cases.
India is a country where debt is culturally looked down upon. It is a complete opposite to here. If you have a good credit history in the Americas you are a someone. In India a credit history will make you someone shoddy.. incapable of handling your finances .. (I don't know how to translate that to English).
This is the reason people live within their means and not rack up debts like we do here. Eating out for lunch/dinner other than on special occasions is still very very rare. Sure, the ultra rich do whatever the hell they want but that's the same in any country. I know someone who threw out caviar because it was of wrong colour.
Anyways, the point is: globlization is inevitable so is redistribution of world power. Everything eventually will balance itself out. What remains to be seen is how everything plays out over the course of our lifetime. - radix33, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7As an IT worker in United States, this "news" is worrying. But then again, helping a third world country like India, that has the brain power and willingness to work, is a really good thing. Social and economic improvements in that country is badly needed considering the large population and poverty level. If the Indian government plays fair and respects their people, this is going to be the best thing that the Western countries have ever done to the rest of the world. I'd say stop criticizing, stop being complacent and arrogant.
- UrbanVoyeur, on 10/12/2007, -13/+16"This is not a zero-sum game, in which every job added in India comes at the expense of an American or European one."
*****!
These jobs are lost to Americans and Europeans and will never return. The average American college grad with 50-100k of debt, high taxes and no governmental support cannot compete with India, which consigns 85% of its population to poverty in order to subsidize the education and wealth of the top 0.1%. The Indian grads have no debt, all the unspoken advantages of their upper caste standing and an entire country bent on providing them at the lowest possible cost to any bidder on the word market. - rac3r5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@gottisttot
"Besides, I've heard many companies which outsourced IT are coming back to America because a degree in India in CS just means you're certified to open and close powerpoint."
This is not true. The last time I visited India, I spoke to someone working on a CS degree from a less influential college and was amazed at the amount of stuff he knew. The main difference that I find in the education of western countries and asian countries is that in western countries they expect you to understand information, there you are incouraged to memorize information.
It all depends on the person and the school they go to and how much they apply themselves. - fcekuahd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@starflyer, I have worked for a few Fortune 500's that outsource to India as well, including some who have outsourced specifically to Infosys. The quality of the work we've seen has been abysmal. It's saved money, and the shareholders may have like that in the short run, but the quality of service for our customers has taken a serious hit. There's no question that this is going to hit the bottom line (or in some cases already has). Frankly, I'm amazed that we haven't seen a mass withdrawal of outsourcing from India yet, but I guess the C level people are having trouble figuring out how to explain the move back to the U.S. or Europe without admitting they made a mistake.
- bsdfree, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@ parent poster
You really have no idea, do you? If you think affirmative action in the US is bad, you're not going to believe the programs they have in India for lower caste applicants. A full 60-70% of the entire school's seats are reserved for lower castes (this is by law in the Constitution of India). And I don't mean give-or-take some percent - this is mandatory and enforced. At best, the parent poster is misinformed, at worst he has some deep seated racial problem. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Indeed, Earth is our home, but we don't own all of it. We (supposedly) own the U.S. (but we don't, really). Our leaders are elected and charged with looking out for the interests of Americans, which means *not* sending them out on foreign military adventures, *not* poking it's economic finger in the eyes of people who then hate us (which isn't in our interest), and *not* bringing in foreign labor to replace American labor.
I swear, any rational people in nearly any other country on Earth would get out the pitchforks and torches, yet we sit. - rnguyen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I will only start worrying when they start speaking English properly. Otherwise, I will continue to replace Indian 'skilled' jobs with very small shell scripts.
- chetanw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2True. However, the work culture there is a little different. You socialize, talk to others about things other than work and eventually end up doing the same amount of work in 12 hours that you do here in 8.
- chetanw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The CS degrees in other countries are just as advanced as the US - thanks to the Internet that is revolutionizing everything.
- nullcodes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@UrbanVoyeur
Are you one of those types who believe there is a fixed number of jobs? If there is a fixed number of jobs, how come the US has millions more employed people than 50 years ago? Yes, the population has increased, but if there was a fixed number of jobs .. the number of employed people wouldnt change! So, maybe the more people there are .. the more services that are needed. And that itself creates jobs.
Now, when a person or corporation makes money .. they may invest those assets in a financial institution such as a bank. The bank makes no money by just holding on to the cash. The bank makes it's money by giving out loans. If a bank has a $100,000 in assets, it gives out $1 million in loans (backed by that 100k). That $1 million in loans is used to start companies, buy houses, fund biotech startups doing medicine development, manufacture crap, and mine resources, energy. That itself creates jobs, because those are all services people need. As people get richer they will need things that can't be made in India (advanced pharmaceuticals, high quality vehicles, airplanes) .. either because India won't have an educated enough workforce .. or they will physically lack the number of workers.
The literacy rate in India is increasing, a larger percent of the population can read than ever before .. and every year there is reduced malnutrition and infant mortality. Also the infrastructure is getting built up with an increase in sanitation and infrastructure development (google it). India wants a better infrastructure and a more educated population because it means more stability and better more innovative products. India realizes the economic benefit of having an educated population .. and these people won't sit around getting abused. Just like in China .. the companies will have to start offering incentives to keep their workers. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/business/03labor.html?ex=1301716800&en=49c0d472886e1f39&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss_
Also in India .. $1 a day is actually more than enough to buy 3 decent meals .. and actually the average person makes more than that. - nullcodes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Also, you claim 70% of India's poor is illiterate .. that pseudo statistic may be "true" .. because "poor" is subjective. For example a person making $20,000 US dollars a year in the USA is poor .. but someone making $20,000 US in India .. is rich enough to own a decent house, a small car and even have a servant.
But, in India as a whole, in 2003, the adult illiteracy rate was 39% .. and it's improving because much more of the younger people are literate. - Starflyer59, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I work for a Fortune 500 company that is currently outsourcing. There might be a cost savings, but it's a disaster in progress for all involved. The people involved are trying their best to make it work, but you basically get what you pay for.
- footfwd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I've spent Lot's of time in India and had several conversations with people who work in the I.T sector.
One conversation was about how many hours per-day the guy worked, which was 12 hours.
He was proud though, i was thinking "jeez... your getting screwed buddy, 12 hour days, sure
you make a little bit more but you should be up in arms over the amount of work.
I really think that there is an untold story here about the amount of work and to what degree the
people are being used as a labor force.
Don't believe the hype, yes the Indian people work very hard to obtain the jobs they get and they
are very good at it, but there are people all over the world who can do these jobs very well.
Why outsource, one: cheaper labor force two: no knowledge of a successful workers rights rebellion. - cwcentral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"ending senior executives with global responsibilities to work there"
Could be because over the years, a lot of Indians (on Visa or naturalized) are becoming tech executives in US companies and 1. they prefer moving back to India (with the same US SALARY!) and 2. it's a win-win for businesses trying to open shop over there (having a person who understands the culture and such over there). Talking to many Indian execs here in the US, and considering the class-based culture there, #1 is pretty much the main reason to leave the US--you'd live like a king there and they appreciate their Engineers! - drmangrum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Very few harbor ill-will to indians. The situation isn't their fault and they have as much right to make a living as anyone else. However, people ARE pissed at corporations who sacrifice American jobs to save a few bucks. Then, after ruining thousands of families, what kind of product do we see? We get telemarketers and headhunters who can't communicate well with their target audience. We get software that is substandard quality. WE GET A WORSE PRODUCT.
So these companies fire someone in America who they are paying anywhere from 30-70k (maybe more, maybe less) a year, offload the job to india where they pay 10-40k a year. Now don't look at the disparity in pay, look at what that pay means to each person. Someone making 30k a year in the states is barely scraping buy, someone making 20k in india is living fairly well. Like I said before, I'm not against Indians being given a job, but not at the cost of someone else's job, especially when the end result is a lower quality product. - HPSauce, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3True I suppose. Regarding CS degrees, even they are being dumbed down everywhere - my brother completed his 7 years ago, where he went through the whole spectrum of topics - security, real world applications, specific server software - programming involved several languages. Nowadays a CS degree is just programming - you can code in Java, end of. That qualifies them as code monkies, nothing better.
- GottIstTot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Wealth is created not distributed. We can't bottle up wealth and send it to India. We'd probably be better off if we built factories in India to compete with China so that we could have even cheaper junk at Wal-Mart and the like.
Besides, I've heard many companies which outsourced IT are coming back to America because a degree in India in CS just means you're certified to open and close powerpoint. Last time I checked, having programming skills is what a CS degree implies here (whether or not that is true, well, I leave that up to our schools). - hiPpymIck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1their starting point as they now develop is not the same as the west
they didnt have an industrial revolution for example .. its not just going to be a copy of
the west - theyre doing it in a different order (and faster) and will probly do it in a different way
and they dont need to repeat mistakes the west has made in the past
big corporations just ***** over everyone they can (as usual)
do Americans ever apply the same logic they apply to government..the bigger it is the more inefficent
and bureaucratic it will be ..to companies..
(just wondering) - cthrall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What can we do? Keep investing in education. Specifically, advanced scientific research. That's our chance to stay out in front. Funding grad research labs will keep creating companies here. Sure, at some point in a company's lifecycle manufacturing or R&D might move offshore. But it will help us keep creating jobs here.
- nullcodes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@shiftt
How is this bad news for us?
If countries have people working on products for the global economy .. that means the world in general will have more things. There will be more innovation overall in everything, for example there will be many different car manufacturers competing to build better cars with more features. Similarly we can expect there will be more innovation in pharmaceuticals, cell phones, and products that are not yet invented. The more products people have the higher the quality of life will be overall, for everyone.
High quality of life means having easy access to healthcare, communication, entertainment and other things. As more people enter the economy, the better things we can expect. For example, we still don't have good cancer cures and proper understanding of many human diseases .. having more researchers would help .. why would we want them to be stuck in a factory job instead? The number of workers needed to create all the stuff we have is simply unavailable. More people today own vehicles than ever before .. and all that requires millions of factory workers. AS countries get richer their population growth rate slows down so they too experience labor shortage (Singapore .. one fo the most densely populatued countries) is currently having a major campaign to increase immigration and encourage their people to have more kids to sustain their booming ecnomy. So in order for the world to have everything it needs (India and China will need american designed medicines, software, cpu's, airplanes, etc.) the more participation the better.
Now, slavery or worker abuse to manufacture stuff is obviously bad and wrong. But as economies improve and people have more money they will fight for changes. Now, even China's factories are struggling to keep their workers from switching jobs - http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/business/03labor.html?ex=1301716800&en=49c0d472886e1f39&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss_ - rac3r5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It seems that in the western world, the ppl responsible for the high cost of living include
Lawyers: They get a piece of almost every action
Government: They get a cut of all action
Unions: Not even going to comment on this one (and yes I have worked as a worker where unions exist)
Real Estate ppl: they remind of of DeBeers...
I live in the Van area of Canada now and the cost of living is going up and up... a million dollar home is just a regular house now.. I live in the suburbs, but prices here are slowly increasing too. - bkrishnan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I can't understand why so many people are angry about India's growth and resort to comments like:
1. They can't talk english well
2. They don't come out top at the international programming contests
3. Their education is pathetic etc.
But guess what? In spite of the amount of ***** they have to deal with everyday (trust me, it's way more than the average american has to deal with), they are trying their best to come up. India wasn't anywhere 50 years ago, when they were still being ruled by the British. And given enough time, they will definitely start competing at the highest levels in any field.
In this age of terrorist attacks and such intolerance we have a country that's only trying to better itself and not by violent means. The world wars forced countries like America to become technological super powers. America is a great country and I'm sure it will only become greater if it is forced to work harder and innovate better under these new challenges. In the end, I'm sure that it can all be only for the good of the world. - sensia3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In IT sector in india there is basically ZERO workers right. My bro-in-law works at one of the most profitable IT outsourcing farm and yes he does put 12hrs a day quite regularly.
- bynddrvn, on 01/13/2009, -0/+1Whatever, I work in a big four accounting firm. I will be discrete and not mention the name, but FOUR or so years after we started our Indian labor group and it has NEVER been profitable! Yes, the labor is cheap but unreliable and NOT even close to the quality that was advertised. Top management was sold a steaming pile of horse flop and everyone who sold it, laughed all the way to the bank.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Our government is mandated by the Constitution to serve the interests of the people.
That to secure these rights (life, liberty, pursuit of happiness mentioned in previous paragraph), Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
This government brings in foreigners to replace American workers, thus it is illegitimate. - chetanw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Let me add the fact that all of these stories you hear about in-sourcing and corporates moving jobs back to America are indeed true. However, that is more because outsourcing is more mature now than before. In the past, companies would outsource only to get cheap labor and forget that quality is just as important.
Today, the decision to outsource is taken on the basis of skill availability (or lack thereof), ease of obtaining the staff, a careful analysis of the risk added by outsourcing and finally, the cost savings. Also, most companies like to set up a captive center of their own and having experienced managers manage the whole offshore show rather than simply jumping on the outsourcing wagon.
Most companies who outsourced to India/China just because their peers were doing it have had cause to regret that decision dearly and are much more knowledgeable now. That is why they continue to outsource certain jobs to other countries and in-source certain others back to their home base. - known, on 12/02/2007, -0/+1In India Hinduism is the only religion that intrinsically still preaches and promotes racism aka casteism.
Hindu parents covertly train their children to coerce other children as per caste 'hierarchies'.
All other religions in the world have 'groups' which fear or fight or respect each other. - drmangrum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Let's see you say that when you get replaced by your Indian counter-part at 1/3rd the cost.
- chetanw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@bigroy1231,
-- This is ***** and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. Welcome to the New World everyone. --
True. Incidentally, this is exactly what the Red Indians said when your ancestors landed here some generations ago.
-- Corporate America is doing this to us and our government officials, who are controlled by corporate lobbiests are not going to help us. --
Right again. But isn't that the principle of Capitalism? Do something only if it improves profit.
-- What can we do? Boycott companies that outsource overseas? I'm guessing here but that is probably like 90% of corporations these days. Good luck with that. --
You could encourage youth to study and grow their mental abilities. You could improve education standards. You could stop the Iraq war and divert that spending into better things. You could get off your butt and work.
-- This problem is only going to get worse by the way. Eventually our economy will collapse and we'll all be fighting for blue collar jobs or begging for change while standing in the soup line. --
Not so. By the time you grow up to realize this, your economy would be controlled by someone else anyway. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Does this mean that us fat, stupid, and lazy Americans will one day be able to buy India-made products?
BTW, how come India's colleges and universities continue to perform poorly in international programming competitions? This year India's top performer Indian Institute of Technology, Madras tied for the 44th place....
http://icpc.baylor.edu/icpc/Finals/Results-2007/standings-2007.htm - Researching, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Permit me to provide another perspective.
1. The US allows foreign students to study at US universities at higher than normal tuition rates.
2. The graduates must return to their home countries shortly after they graduate.
3. The graduates therefore do not get an opportunity to gain much work experience in the US.
4. The US, through the WTO GATS, is pushing for developing countries to open their borders to trade, especially in the lucrative internationally funded government procurement contracts.
5. These contracts specify qualification criteria for technical personnel. The qualifications are both academic and professional.
6. The persons in developing countries that studied in the US have the competitive academic qualifications; however, the US based professional associations/organisations do not generally recognise their work experience.
7. It is rather unfair for the US to demand relatively high tuition rates from foreign students, deny the foreign graduates adequate working opportunities in the US, refuse to acknowledge their experience in their home countries, disqualify them from attaining comparable US professional qualifications, and then compete against them in their home (developing) countries.
I acknowledge the problems that the US is facing; however, while India may be reaping some success, many other developing countries are not.
Regards, - Careerguruz, on 02/06/2009, -0/+0India has been a great place to outsourse...
- avidlinuxuser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@hpsauce Looks like you only looked at a few universities. I am currently working on my CS degree. The topics that have been covered in my first two years include: RSA encryption, Unix administration, programming in Perl, programming in SML, programming in Scheme, programming in Java, programming in C#, programming in C++, logic programming with Prolog, conceptual models for the implementation of a programming language, Finite-state automata, designing processors, limitations with the Von Neumann architecture, grammar, and all the other algorithm stuff that makes CS more a math degree than a programming degree.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0 I love how economists keep telling us that we can send an unlimited amount of jobs, and manufacturing out of the country and it won't really have a negative impact. Riiight. . .
And lets be honest the corporations who save money don't pass it on, they pocket it. In the last 20 years CEO earnings have gone from 40x average salary to 400x or more depending who you talk to, that's whats happening to the money. But hey MIT economists will draw you a chart to show you how this is wonderful. You know them, the same guys telling you there is barely any inflation. - sanman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Comrade Fidel,
How is it possible for a small fraction to "consign" the bulk of the population to slavery? That's not the reality. The reality is that socialist myth-making has kept the majority of Indians backward -- and I've got news for you -- it's kept the rest of the 3rd World backward too, and not just India. There are a fraction of Indians who've had more exposure to the developed world and its anti-socialist values of competition and meritocracy, and that's how they've been able to stay above the rest. Now that the rest of India is seeing the value of free market enterprise, they're going to join the fraction of the Indians who're ahead of them, and eventually catch up with the developed world too. - GottIstTot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2You mean a bunch of people which can barely use excel and copy and past code from ActiveState?
- Bthypin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1all this just creates competition, in the end, every country will benefit from a more developed world. It is not about us or them, we are all guests on this earth.
- zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I'm easy, India can have my job as long as they do the work and I get paid.
- syncomm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I also can't agree with the quote, "This is not a zero-sum game, in which every job added in India comes at the expense of an American or European one." It may technically slide in double-speak, because there is no 1-1 ratio of jobs gained in "Low Cost Centers" with jobs lost in the US and EU. However, there is an impact felt by millions of workers in the West. It is no longer an issue isolated to the tech sector, and it reflects on the future of our countries economically. The next product or service that sets the West ahead can't simply be "managing others." These developing economies are already adopting and adapting international business practices. Once that transition is complete, what will the West do?
- r3bol, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0...and company X's stock went up. If you don't like it then get your country to make a law against it;)
- UrbanVoyeur, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2To avik42:
If you think primary education is open to all equally in India consider this:
How can a family which can barely feed itself spare the labor of its children to send one to school?
"Going to university/college costs money and that's not affordable by everyone. But many many people goto college/university, regardless of poor or rich. There are gov programs to help the poor to afford this. The process is not perfect but it works in most cases."
Define most cases? 85-90% of India's population live in abject poverty, $1-2 a day. They do not have enough food or clean drinking water. At least 70% of India's poor are illiterate. They are virtually all from the lower castes.
That does not describe a imperfect system that works in most cases, it describes a systematic shift of resources away from the poor so that there can be an educated elite "New India". Gov built Technology centers & cities, gov technical schools and universities, heavily subsidized tuition, massive tax breaks to technical corporations and individuals, mandated & subsidized partnerships/internships between local schools/companies and international corporations, - I can go on but you get the picture.
My point is that the Indian government has made a conscious choice of where to invest its resources - in a very small technological elite. I don't know whether the gamble will pay off.
I do know that that average American student has no hope of competing against this.
Globalization is inevitable, it is only profitable in the short term - but that's another discussion for another story. :-) - bigroy1231, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4This is ***** and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. Welcome to the New World everyone. Corporate America is doing this to us and our government officials, who are controlled by corporate lobbiests are not going to help us.
What can we do? Boycott companies that outsource overseas? I'm guessing here but that is probably like 90% of corporations these days. Good luck with that.
This problem is only going to get worse by the way. Eventually our economy will collapse and we'll all be fighting for blue collar jobs or begging for change while standing in the soup line. -
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