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- zdiddy85, on 10/12/2007, -10/+32I just start out every sentence with "That's what she said".
- haggie, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23I always change the location of the meeting at the last minute...
And lean back, leaning back is sign of power. - finbec, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9I think your paragraph is the perfect example of how NOT to communicate in the business world.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8I think what you're saying is annoying and that you are going to need to use puncuation if you are going to are you really a business owner and at 17 that's impressive and you should probably just stay in school and mybe someday you actually will be able to communicate with real people.
Give me a ***** break. - bizcreditfan123, on 02/17/2009, -0/+0I couldn't agree more that having a constructive conversation in business today is key. Think about all of the meaningless conversations you have on a daily basis. I would like to think that when I approach a customer about building strong business credit that the information I deliver is useful.
- SecondGuesser, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Ben Stein has worked as a lawyer, economist, presidential appointee, actor, and a journalist/commentator. He's made several millions of dollars in the business world.
Ben Stein has credibility on this subject. His tips may not work for anyone individually, but my guess is that his advice has some merit. - ExecDigital, on 04/20/2009, -0/+0So simple yet so hard to master the art of conversation.
- Tacobake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I've never seen so many digg-downs. Why would so many people digg comments down and not contribute to the conversation?
- burn0ut, on 10/12/2007, -9/+9So true about not bringing religion or politics into the conversation. It's like asking for a firefight.
- fant0m, on 10/12/2007, -12/+11punching them in the throat for saying something you don't like isn't an option?
- IamTheProfessor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3You have to wonder don't you? I mean, something this illegible either comes from a dropout or a sarcastic *****.
- arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Ok, I think I get it now. This must be one of those things where everyone is trying to digg everyone down.
Kinda like that story the other day where I discovered it had 60-something diggs and no comments, and then I pointed it out and someone replied that was the whole point.
These kids these days. - kylesherman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Imagine if both people in the 'business conversation' took these tips...it would be the most boring and short conversation ever. Both would be trying to impress the other with their briefness.
- IamTheProfessor, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Damn. Firstly, a paper route and a lemonade stand don't really count as your own company. Secondly, if you speak in the same manner that you write, then you are doomed in life. Thirdly, investing isn't the same thing as saving up for a new muffler on your 1982 Cavalier. Maybe you should refer to the below article and try rewriting your diatribe (look that word up).
http://www.digg.com/design/How_to_punctuate_a_sentence - arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2This is a joke right?
- sjbdallas, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3I tell the windows guys we need to look at moving their system to UNIX, then I tell the UNIX guys we need to look at moving their system to Windows. Keeps those guys arguing amongst themselves and I can go back to WoW.
- NoStoppingUs, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2..will your marketing efforts dominate our faces?...
- gypsi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1yes, you too can become an inhuman piece of yuppy filth (it's sad, but one of life's evils)
- IamTheProfessor, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3In every business environment you'll find the violator to the bragging rule - aka "The One-Upper"
"Where did you go to school?"
"I went to UPenn."
"Oh yah? I went to Cambridge in England, and then Harvard just for fun."
"Winner." - arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Religion and politics are gambles that are way to big to risk, in my opinion. And not just in the business world, but in any realm, be it some guy in the elevator at the hospital, or someone on a bench in the mall, or even people I know modestly well. I generally go by the idea that if I don't know the person well enough to know how they will react if we happen to disagree, then don't talk about it. Once you know someone well enough to talk to them openly and frankly and know that you can agree to disagree on something in a civil manner without ruining your friendship or devolving into an enormous argument, then it's ok to talk about these things. Otherwise, it's best to just avoid it.
To be honest, I don't even want to talk about religon with my own family. It's just way to personal of a subject to really discuss. - arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1I guess he proved his point then, eh?
- arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1One-uppers are one of my most despised pet peeves.
- iamdegenatron, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1This is nothing but cursory hi-hello talk. Nothing you don't already know how to do
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+111) Remember that 90% of business communication is a lie. And if you stick to the truth and remain professional, regardless of how the other party conducts themselves, you'll come out ahead.
12) There's always tons of "future work" that promises a higher budget than what's being discussed now, and if you let them walk over you now, you can expect them to walk over you for the entire duration of the relationship.
13) If you're a consultant and someone offers to "buy lunch" to "discuss" something that you're not getting paid for, then the best possible response is, "Wow, you're going to pay me to have lunch with you, and you're going to buy, too?" - Nateon, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4"So, um, nice weather we're having today." Still the best
- DavidGX, on 10/12/2007, -11/+7I was simply demonstrating my own personal method of a business conversation. Apparently the professionalism of my methods are lost on you people.
- lovese, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1I think most people thought the title says "How to have a conversation" look at all the dugg down comments.
- RickySan65, on 10/12/2007, -5/+111 and 12 are so true, a lot of the 'business' talk is just plain *****, most talk the talk but don't do the walk..
- Ninnux, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2One of the best books I've read on the subject was Larry King's, "How to talk to anyone." Most of it is common sense, but he's really good at delivering the points.
- Tacobake, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1I think all he's trying to say is, "Don't say anything stupid." And always assume that if you don't know someone they're well dressed but are likely looking for a chance to establish themselves above you in the food chain.
- mindcrime, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2"How to have a business conversation?" No, more like "How to have a dull, boring, meaningless conversation that benefits nobody and wastes everybody's time."
Forget all this cruft and just try being authentic. That doesn't mean you can't be considerate of other people's feelings, but drop the artificial crap. No false compliments, no waxing poetic about how beautiful Idaho is when you've never been there, etc. As far as religion and politics, it depends on the context a little, and it's something of a gamble. If you state a political position and the other person happens to agree, then you *know* you've found some valuable "common ground."
For instance, if I mention an overtly libertarian position in conversation, and get a positive response, that leads to a sense of bonding and mutual recognition, etc. Of course the problem is, this can backfire badly if the "conversation partner" is diametrically opposed to your position. - alecks, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Awesome... a how to on superficial conversations... just what i needed
- Takfam, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Summary: Kiss a lot of ass. Keep the bad news short and to the point. Kiss some more ass and hope it smooths the pain of your bad news.
- blumph, on 10/12/2007, -14/+9you can replace the words 'business conversation' with 'conversation with a girl' and the whole article is still relevant.
eg "1. Begin by knowing that the people you're talking to mostly want to talk about themselves."
ain't that the truth - mashlin, on 10/12/2007, -12/+711. don't talk like ben stein
- topnotchnet, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0They smile in your face All the time they want to take your place The back stabbers
No Thanks Money talks when it comes to business - Takfam, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Offtopic, but are the green thumbs not working in this thread? I haven't seen one comment dugg up yet.
- blumph, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1can we digress from the actual submission and create an internet meme? digg me down if you agree.
- bakingoven, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2In related news, "How not to post comments on digg"
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=digghz8.jpg - simpleid, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1'Yea, we're all dreaming.'
- arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1yeah, but i guess it's not unreasonable. we get that kind of ***** all the time.
"ORLY? Ben Stien conversation tips? OMG LOLZ! I'm totally digging this, right!" - blumph, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1except if you're selling political t-shirts at a church fete
- gr33nspan, on 10/12/2007, -11/+512. Bueller?... Bueller?... Bueller?
- arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Wow, this is one seriously dugg down thread.
- bitswapper, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Go here for typical business conversation enhancer:
http://dack.com/web/*****.html
I liked "engage killer networks". - ScrabbyDoo, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3Reading the bio of the author, Ben Stein, he talks and writes about a whole lotta things he doesn't do.
I'd rather take my advice from people with a little more entrepreneurial pedigree. I can only fully agree with point 1, 2 and 3. Otherwise, I find that being so pleasant and congenial like this man suggests is a good way to be quickly forgotten. A little shock and a little awe.
Especially point 10: "Make whatever points you need to make in a hurry, and then leave." What the hell is that? Sounds like a guy who has totally no self confidence.
Ben ends by saying "You'd be amazed at how many people don't know any of these rules. If you do, you're way ahead of the game." There's a saying relevant to Catholic priests who talk about about the do's and dont's of sex, "if you don't playeth the game, you don't maketh the rules" - omegamouse, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0I for one welcome our 10 tip overlords
- ryanlindstedt, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1either that or no one caught the "the office" reference
- dbhaley, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3Great observation, except for number ten, "Make whatever points you need to make in a hurry, and then leave." If you conversation with a chick works out, you won't be leaving until next morning.
- jhaitas, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3someone pass it on to michael scott
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