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Geeks still get above average pay

itwire.com.au — The big money is still made in the traditional areas of dentistry ($68,000) and optometry ($51,200). Pharmacy graduates' salaries are initially held down to a median of $32,000 by registration requirements.

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  • 11Heather, on 10/10/2007, -2/+25"That's the good news. The bad news is that graduate starting salaries are still trending down." :-(
    Is this because back in the day not everyone had a degree, whereas now having a degree is an entry requirement? Employers are now spoilt for choice. Degrees of 20 years ago are today's MBA's. So we're playing into employers hands by all getting overqualified.
    • jmpeagle, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3what? The demand for college educated labor is going through the roof. Starting salaries are also going through the roof even for computer programmers even though the tech bubble crashed.

      http://www.naceweb.org/press/display.asp?year=&prid=256

      Hirings are going through the roof, salaries are going through the roof. The unemployment rate for the college educated is under 2% compared to the national average of around 4.7%.

      It's actually becoming a problem because the vast majority of gains in income made in this country since the 1970 have been solely in the hands of the top 20-25%, who are those with college educations.

      I just realized the website was Aussie and not American, ignore above comment
    • rm999, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3This is in Australian dollars? That is less than USD. 45,000 dollars in Australia is 40,000 dollars in the USA.
    • DaveV, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Not in America. In America, it is because of outsourcing and H1-B visas. If there was a real shortage of IT people in the U.S., then salaries would be going up. Instead, they are going down.
    • toxigenicpoem, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Yes salaries continue to decline in America, and our high price of education, is making it worse, because its harder to compete with lower wages, and people who hold equal qualification in another country, and some of them dont even have to pay for college.
    • leohart, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Since more people these days have a degree, more emphasis is made on other skills (commucation, team-work, ...). Also, having internship and prior experience in the field counts.

      @toxigenicpoem: I agree that college education is expensive. Furthermore, we are not trained hard enough comparing to other countries. When was the last time that you could do basic algebra (15% of $33 divide by 4 is ?) in your head?
  • kasted, on 10/10/2007, -14/+2this website is Australian, irrelevant
    • poedguy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3So Australians are irrelevant now?
    • bumfish, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2relevant to Australians. Not everyone on Digg is american.
    • okokitsme, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1DIGG is american, irrelevant to Europe?
  • JLGatsby, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3Everyone knows they don't have computers in Australia.
    • MasterThief117, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23What are you talking about?
      It's the LAN down under.
    • archlich, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Sure they do, you just have to type with your feet. and walk on your hands.
      • bill679, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6...and their hard drives spin the opposite direction.
  • afruff23, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Anybody know what makes the most money in the first year after a 4 year bachelor's? I hear it's chmical enginerrign with a median wage of first-year jobs over $60K.
    • wildfire, on 10/10/2007, -6/+12I'd like to see more English majors to be honest, but apparently there's no market for them. /sarcasm
    • jimmiss, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3If 60k or above is your goal, then industrial robotics and/or industrial electronics seems to be a good starting point. it is mine. The only problem is it's extremely hard to find a good school, especially since a 'classical' electronics job lands you a job that pays terribly.
      The chemical engineering route is also one of the highest paid however, I just don't have person experience in the field.
    • marsbar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Chem Eng is very cyclical. When I graduated in 1999 the market was meh. Only because of the dramatic increase in oil prices in the last two years has the starting wages for Chem Eng gone to where it is.
    • doppenhe, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Still today the best salaries you can get are in Financial Services, specially investment banking. People in this area are usually starting at 60-70k (pre-mba) and getting bonuses of another 80k on their first year. There is no Investment Banker that I have heard who in their first year makes less than 6 figures.
      • noblepaladin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2If you take a normal chemical, computer, or electrical engineering job, which usually pays an avg starting salary of 55-60k and factor in all the "overtime" hours that investment bankers put in (60-80 hour weeks), the engineers would also make 6 figures. Also, most investment bankers live and work in New York, where the cost of living is very high (a few of my friends just graduated and going to become IBs, they were looking for apartments in NY and the prices are crazy). So they do get paid very well, but that that much better than engineers. The best thing about IBs is that if you are good at it, you move up very quickly.
    • Flashman, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Why don't you pursue the career that you're most interested in, not the one that gives you the most money? I guarantee that after four or five years in the workforce, job satisfaction will be more important to you than salary.
  • wildfire, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10And live in Ramen-esque poverty after Comic-Con.
  • darkphate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4thats rather interesting. I work for an australian ISP in tech support - fulltime.
    after 6months on the job im earning 38k - originally started on abit lower.
    I've never been to Uni - didnt actually do year12 (final yr of highschool for those not in Aus). However I did do a Computer Technician course through a private training company here which got me Cert4 in Tech support, MCDST and CompTIA A+ certification - the course took 3months. The cert4 alone would have taken 12 to 18months through TAFE. my next step is to get my CCNA and some experience in working with ubuntu.
    • DavX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Should have stuck in school for that last year, your communication skills are pretty poor.
  • twrife, on 10/10/2007, -0/+35Who would have thunk it: Smart people make more money.
  • letdowntourist, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6They used medians to draw their conclusions? This article is worthless. Buried.
    • Ragzouken, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Are you a statistician or does it does it just 'sound wrong' to you?
      • letdowntourist, on 10/10/2007, -0/+71
        4
        5
        900000000
        20139483204902394823098430

        The median is 5.
    • jjed824, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'll bite. For those of us non-statisticians, why is the median a bad measure? Surely it's better than simply taking an average?
      • aeronic, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0OH MY GOD.

        the median *is* an average.
        And perfectly sensible to use in a case such as average salaries.

        Heres an example not to use the mean:
        4 people earn, respectively, $100, 10000, 10000, 1000000

        The median, (average) salary is $10000, however the mean is $255020 - which is more representative??
        • Miche1987, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Mean is your typical mathematic average (add all values, divide by the number of values).

          Median is the number closest to the middle within the range of values. Different than mean/average.

          That is all. Oh, except...

          OH MY GOD YOU IDIOT.
          • keithmcbride, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"Median is the number closest to the middle within the range of values. Different than mean/average."

            not if you have a large sample size and assume the values are about normally distributed, then the median is the mean.

            any real poll of 1000 people would allow this assumption. any poll with less than 500 people should be considered insufficient
    • rm999, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You are wrong, median is the standard way of reporting salaries. A few people make a lot of money, and that skews the statistics. For example, if you were to look at the average salary of people who recently graduated from Stanford's computer science graduate program, the mean would be a few million dollars a year, because a few people made billions (Google). The median would probably be around 100,000-150,000, which tells you a lot more.
    • EntangledPhysx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Medians are the best. A good example is a pub with 20 people in it. They are all middle-class people, making around 40k a year or under. So the average is about 40K a year for the people in this hypothetical pub. Then Bill Gates walks in, then on average, everyone is a millionaire. I personally believe a median for this is effective. Ruling it out is very stupid and childish. One year in college algebra teaches you this really fast.
  • tnatharik, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3Isnt there a living prove?
  • AMD64MM, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3You mean I gave up my life to computers for NOTHING! ... Oh well.
  • locodude, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8I hope none of my bosses see this article. It might make them think they're paying us enough (or too much even)...
  • matdwyer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Get a degree in Nano-Technology. That will get ya a pretty good starting salary.
  • jimmiss, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Okay, I have an HONEST request of the digg community. I'm most of the way through post-secondary. How much money per year is a lot? It's 65k a lot of money? I know it's a lot to start out at, but what about the future?
    • MalDON, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3In terms of what a lot if, 65k is not a lot of money, but it is a lot compared to the rest of the workers of america. The real goal is to have a salary of one dollar. You know you're doing good if a dollar a year can support you.
    • evilgoatbob, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3This is highly dependent on where you live. $65K in New York or San Francisco is not the same as $65K in Austin or Orlando is DEFINITELY not the same as $65K in Townsville rural America.

      I graduated CS in the sprawling metropolis of Hattiesburg, Mississippi, and moved to bay area California the subsequent summer. The job I was offered in MS paid slightly more than half the job I was offered here, and easily would've garnered me fancier living quarters and a higher percentage of my salary as disposable income.

      But have you ever been to Mississippi?
    • rm999, on 10/10/2007, -1/+365K is a lot. That's about 4,000 a month after taxes in the USA. Assuming wherever you live you can get an apartment for 1000/month, a car for 300/month, food for 300/month, and 500 for miscellaneous costs, you are looking at *a lot* of disposable income and money to save.
    • datastorageguy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Let's all relax and think about this for a second. 68k a year is NOT alot of money. Try to buy a 300k to 400k home (average home), pay off school loans, have a decent car, insurance, groceries, electric bill, gas bill, fuel costs...want to have a girlfriend? yep that's more money.

      If you graduate from College making 68k a year you are off on the right track, but it isn't "alot" of money.
      • DangerMouse9, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Wow... you know, you can hold off on buying that 300-400k house until you get your other finances taken care of. Take a look at the average American Family and how much income they have compared to what their bills are. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to have 68k a year rather than the 35k they're lucky to be making. But, I guess you're the type of person that has to have everything be extreme and have it right away.
        You can live quite comfortably on 68k a year if you don't have to go out and buy all the top of the line luxury items that you think are a necessity.
        • tendonut, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I live in Buffalo, NY and I have to say, house prices in certain places are ***** ridiculous. I can buy a house for $100k in the Western New York area that would sell for $500k at least in other areas such as San Francisco, Dallas, L.A, D.C, etc. I just got my first *real* job making a mere $30k a year (crap) as a Computer Tech but with that, I can afford my new Mazda3 ($18,500) , a nice 2-bedroom apartment in a very nice area, feed my computer obsession, girlfriend funds, and other things I might be interested in, and leaving me quite a bit of cash leftover per month. I am not saying I am doing very well, since I am only looking at apartments in the suburbs, but I could stay this way for quite a while if I needed to. I am looking to move to Raleigh, NC too and I have to say, things are barely more expensive there than they are here. The house I grew up in is a 2,000sq/ft 3 livable floor/2-car garage place that is assessed for $96k. The same house in San Francisco would go for almost 6 times that. So as stated before, it really depends on where you want to live.
    • peckfeckler, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Another question, is it enough? And as far as a home is concerned you should get a little shack or crappy apartment for 5 years and save half of that money ( live off of 32k ) then with your 130 in hand go buy a SMALL home, don't ever take a mortgage. Save for another 5 years sell that home and buy a medium home, and if medium suits you fine you can then live life carelessly. Also whoever said a girlfriend slows you down mustn't have taken into account that she may be making money as well, and that conjoined incomes may expedite the process.
    • noblepaladin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+165k... after tax 40k... say 2k/month for living, then you are down to 16k in the bank. You will live well, but note that you need to pay college loans, buy you first car, etc. You will do fine, but your lifestyle won't be that different from the average person (you'd probably just have to worry less).
    • Massif, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I sure am glad I won't have any loans to pay back after I'm done university. I'm actually going to come out ahead of the game because I've saved up a lot of money from working in an internship for a year.

      For where I live, 65K would be plenty for me.
  • Rhinodog8, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8I would love it work as a Geek, After working some maunal labor jobs i know im not and can't be a laborer all my life
    • EntangledPhysx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Thats why starting at a physically labor intensive job is good--gets your ass motived to get in school and bust your ass off. It worked for me =)
    • Ayradv, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7funny you say that. I've been in the computer industry for a few years, graduate in computer science... and I'm very tempted get under the sunshine and do some physical work for a change
      • Dax420, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Been there done that. It sucks. It's either raining or so hot that you think you will pass out. After my 6 month "vacation" from doing IT work I was RUNNING back to find another IT job.
  • boot20, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Wow, I made nothing near that when I graduate with a MS CS....On that note, still make beans compared to others, but I'm doing what I love...

    • EntangledPhysx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yeah I hear ya. Once I get my EE bachelors degree, most those jobs will be outsourced to China LOL! But hell, I cant see myself doing anything but electrical engineering.
  • Ugoff, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I'm going to get a doctorate in the hard sciences (biology/genetics) so I'm going to be set. I can buy hi-tech toys to my hearts content (once I dig myself out of student loan debt.)
    • undersky, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4i just logged in to tell you how far away from truth your dream is. i worked w/ TONS of post-docs in molecular biology, biochem, genetics, cell bio, etc., and all of them make beans! trust me, getting a doctorate in your field is just the beginning of a very humble life. you can get no job after 5 years in your phd, and yes, phd in bio field takes a long time cuz those damn organism (mice or flies or cultures) don't grow or mate or mutate faster and it's so out of control it's like playing dice. then after you finally get ur phd you are sitll nobody and you have to work 60 hrs a week minimum getting prob $40k a year (mind you, you are at least 27 years old, prob married), and then you have to work like 2~4 years as this lowly post-doc, and PRAY that you will get noticed and published, then you can prob find a job that pays you $70k. it's a sad sad sad life.

      btw, if u dont love research, but actually care about making $, you will daily ask yourself why didn't you take that mcat? in conclusion, phd in hard science is NOT for those who love $, but for those who truly love science.

      you want a hint? marry someone in med school, they will dig a big phd (the nerdy kinds would at least). i am not kidding, this is wisdom.
    • peckfeckler, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0if your not making over 100k, which you definitely wont be due to the ompetitiion thhese days { not between employers } you will probabl make more mony from the 60k job at the twenty year mark after including the costs of going to school and what have you.
    • noblepaladin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Going for PhD means about 4 years of not working. If you are smart enough to go for PhD, you are probably above median and can move up company ranks fairly quickly. So those 4 years could very well earn you 275k-300k+ already. You are way behind already when you graduate with your PhD (and that is assuming that you get funding and don't have to pay anything during your PhD). After 4 years, with some pay raise you would probably be making 85-90k already (with that 300k you already made). Now if you were to freshly graduate with your PhD, you might make 100k to 110k? Think about how long it takes to make up the money.

      That's why most people say you should do your PhD only if you are really interested in the science and research. If you want the money, you are probably better off getting your masters and trying very hard to move up the corporate ladder.
  • nzezelj89, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2I'm totally a geek, not gonna lie, going for Computer and Electrical Engineering Degrees, my life is digg and technology, it's nice to know I can pay my way through my gadget gear and computer parts through my geek powers, lawlz
  • xlent, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1why no mentions of engineers in Australia?
  • xlent, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3here are the us numbers for those that dont have access to NACE publication
    http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/11/pf/college/starting_salaries/index.htm
    though no mention of industrial engineers =
  • idc5, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Pharmacy grads get 38k? is that before you start your career? because I personally know of someone with a starting base of 110k here in so cal.
    • nzezelj89, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Who is this individual working for? that's pretty awesome pay starting.
    • duzytata, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I agree, those numbers can not be correct. I'm iin my second year of Pharmacy school right now and Walgreens is willing to help pay my tuition and start me off at 96k a year if I come and work for them when I get out. 38k? No way...
    • undersky, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5pharmd in america (grad from pharm school) get a starting salary at least $70k from places like target, walmart, walgreen, and easily goes above $100K plus bonus and option within 5 years. (i know tons of pharmacists)
    • ricksite, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I think I heard someone mention they start around 85k here in Iowa. Being a pharmacist sounds like a good career.
    • noblepaladin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Pharmacy is a very reliable career. You won't have to worry about your jobs disappearing. The only disadvantage is that there is no real career growth in pharmacy. I know they usually go around 80-90k a year. Pharmacy programs are long though (I have a friend in a 6 year program). So if you are good at engineering, you can get your masters in the same time.
      • kaiserh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I wouldn't count out mail order prescriptions. Many HMO's are giving discounts or forcing patients to use mail order refills. A local pharmacy is needed to explain the initial medicine, but the real money is in the monthly refills. If (or probably when) Hillary is elected, she'll probably cause big changes in the medical industry.
    • rizla420, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0j think pharmacy is experiencing tremendous growth and thus starting salaries becasue we are approaching the begginning of the baby boom retirement. If you get into it now you've got a good 25-30 year solid career. Once they start to kick it, there's going to be a huge shrink in the population and then the market might dry up. Either way its a safe mid to long term career
    • drmangrum, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It's on an Aussie site, so I assume the values are in Australian dollars, with the Australian job market driving the salaries. I thought those values were extremely low as well till i noticed that. If you can't make 50k+ in IT after 4 years, something is seriously wrong.
  • Ghoztt, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Oops, wrong post. Sorry.
  • CuriousDan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I misread that as GREEKS....wtf...
  • in2thel2ain, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Actually, geeks don't make the most.
    They forgot that people who go into ibanking make about 80K+ coming out of a 4 year university.
    And trust me, business people < science/engineering people in terms of geekiness.
    • undersky, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2indeed, majors that guarantee the greatest income is medicine, but majors that contain the HIGHEST income potential is business.

      highest potential cuz not everyone can make that much, only few could, but those few, oh boy, they can make TONS of money. when i say few, i mean like 20%. so, not that few. ibanking or financial consulting are just starting points, of course they want to make partners or become a fund manager (as a fund manager u can earn true $1B+ annual salary, which is called the alpha club http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/04/24/hedge-funds-robber-barons-or-the-new-financiers/ ). anyway, don't forget entrepreneurs, people who start car washing chain or inventing products can make lots money too.
  • JackHorner, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I am a 3D artist who does visual effects for TV and film and I make 80k a year right now, I'm really just starting out and still considered a junior in most respects. I think its interesting that I make more than alot of 4 year college graduates with my two year degree from a typical arts college. If you guys want to make some serious cash with the chance of making over 150k a year get into the visual effects industry, they need people. This year we were swamped with effects work, some people had to work weeks straight without any days off. In the near future movies that require effects work is going to grow rapidly. There is a hell of alot of opportunity to be grabbed in this field. I don't know why I'm telling you this as it is just going to bring me more competition, but I guess I just wanted to let you know that there is other stuff out there that is a lot of fun to do, and you can make alot of money doing it.
    • undersky, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1dont know why ppl dugg u down, i believe u and it makes a lot of sense to me.
      design/art is where the future lies, because prices can be competed, products can be copied, but art is not duplicable and we always need design/art in our life to compliment and differentiate other mindless things
      • doncarajo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Maybe he was dugg down by geeks who can't accept "non-geeks" earning more than them..."I had no social life, no women, no parties, studied like a bastard for some cool dude to earn more than me? Noooo!" etc
        • XHashmeerX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I wouldnt nessecarily call these guys not geeks...I'd say probably they are! I'm in college right now for Interactive Media, I'd like to make my way into effects and interactivity and I'm a total geek, and most people I know in my degree program are too.

          Safe to say he's a geek haha
  • halans, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1$200K+ as a webdeveloper (2-4 years experience) for the DoD...
    Travel arrangements extra...
    http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?IPath=JRGCM&ff=21&APath=2.21.0.0.0&job_did=J8E27R758MWRHR3QTG9&cbRecursionCnt=1&cbsid=2732d6f7c4c549e6a91c7728f5ba45cb-238741878-J2-5&ns_siteid=
    • thund3rstruck, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2That $200K range is because it's a 12 month contract and requires a security clearance. In any event, $100K positions are plentiful here for us .NET programmers..
    • metik, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0$42k here, PHP programmer for an e-commerce company.
      Oh, and i am 19 straight out of high school and got the job on career builder.

      Will it always be this easy?
  • idc5, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Everyone has an undergrad degree nowadays. I guess the trend is also catching on w/ grad degrees
  • Apoy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I'm a CS graduate and it makes me think that I am underpaid. Hmm...
  • yuvrajparihar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I imagine the quoted figures could possibly be AUD (Aussie Dollar) as opposed to USD (US Dollar) ... anyone have an idea? .. its just a bit confusing, being an Aussie publication and all
    • doncarajo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well, maybe this'll help you: AUD $1 = US $0.88
  • ablacksunrise, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Good news for me then in a few years! Take that Bachelor of Arts students!
    • datastorageguy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I have a BA and make over 80k a year working in the tech industry. Go figure.
  • natmaster, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3In other news, AMERICAN CS grads average 60k starting salary. And that can easily jump to 90-100 with companies like Google, Amazon, and Microsoft.
  • smellytim, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I thought it said geeks get above average play. i had to do a double take.
  • cryptoki, on 02/01/2008, -0/+1i make 41k no degree
    read windows server 2003 admin book
    Oracle PL SQL Book
    A+ Hardware Book
    N+ Networking Book

    Read 4 Books and took quite a few online cbt courses at vtc.com, started working a few helpdesk customer service jobs.. got a little experience...and then applied for tier 2, and then NOC entry level...

    Im just saying if you want it... read the books you need and go make 20+ an hour. People hire me becuase of my experience now.. degree doesnt matter that much.. at least for me it didn't. But I'll have to admit.. i did study pretty hardcore for a while...
  • adikt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Nurse NY USA: Schooling for RN License - 2 years (4 semesters) @ $1,655.00/semester = $6620 ($8000 if you include fees, books, supplies...etc) Graduate Pay = $69,000/year. Pretty good investment. Be a Geek Nurse! http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rnsalaryms8.png
    • doncarajo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I work with lots of nurses...wouldn't exactly call them geeky...
  • thephosphorbox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Yeah, but the dopes who don't know a damn thing are the ones that get the management jobs that pay 5x as much.

    Being a geek is great, I love it, but the amount of overpaid incompetence out there is staggering :(
  • avisotin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Getting a job and becoming an employee is the worst way to earn any form of income.

    Proof? stevepavlina.com
  • nesibus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1See....thats why working at chemical plants in my area is great, everyone after 2yrs makes an average of $100-120k..not bad for having half the year off...its sad though, they all blow the money on the typical items....big house, big boat, motorcycle....some idiots drive their hummers into the plant....and then most are too broke to do anything else.
  • chrismgtis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3On the other hand temp. agencies are still screwing us out of the real money. I am a network administrator, phone system admin, etc., for a multi-billion dollar company with locations all over the world and multiple divisions (which I will not name), but I get paid about as much as I would at a help desk since I'm still a temp after 16 months.
    • cryptoki, on 02/01/2008, -0/+1dood move to seattle.. you wont be a temp long
  • ucccft, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1NOT TRUE if you are an American. Most American IT Worker in America have been replaced by an Indian H-1B/L1 Cheap Labor Slave. Before getting laid-off, the American Workers are forced to Train the H-1B Cheap Labor Slave in order to receive their Severance. It's just a matter of short time before every single American will be replaced. If you are have hard time believing this, then please just look at over 20 flight direct from India EVERY DAY! 7 days a week. As an example: If you were to take a train in the morning from Trenton to NY you will see that by the time the Train arrives in NY it is 99% full of Indians. YES over 99% of all American Workers from NJ have been replaced who use to work in NY. And this is being done ALL OVER the US.
    • peckfeckler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0LOL, first off that's a fairly presumptuous remark, secondly its because your making too much money for what you do especially if a person can come from India and immediately replace you, and thirdly you should of gone to school for a few more years and got a position higher up.
    • cryptoki, on 02/01/2008, -0/+1Most Inidans i know have masters degrees in Business, computer science or network engineering.... they have a professional calm demeanor, nice personalities.. and they are welcome in my book. If you want to learn something new.. hang out with those guys for a while
  • MODAT, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1well im in my last year of pharmacy school here in boston. And ive already started seeing job offers around 100k. So ya, those numbers are wrong. Unless they are talking about pharmacy marketing and similar careers.
    • peckfeckler, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0How many years did that take you?
  • insomniac8400, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Great just what we needed an article about average pay that barely states it's for australia. At least we now know australians get paid *****.
    • bigfatslob, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Right on. I can't vouch for the other numbers, but I know starting for a pharmacist is closer to 80k anywhere in the US.
  • RomyNo1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I must make more than the average pharmacy grad. I'm making about $56,000 a year, and when I get my license, it'll pop up to ~$93,000. I also know that in California, graduate interns make nearly as much as Pharmacists due to the shortage. Their stats are off.
  • chrisdancy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Accounting Degree 1991, because parents think computers are the new pet rock, $101,000.00

    VP as a software company 2007 who never used his degree $110,000.00

    Reminding your parents you were right, PRICELESS.



  • cryptoki, on 02/01/2008, -0/+1Lots of programmer dont have degrees... Usually the smart ones take a few classes, drop out and make 50 an hour or better after that. if you can master or are just really good in One language you can get a job.

    This can be learned for free at Microsoft.com .net, vb, c#, visual studio express editions are free.. and they even have free training videos/books too. Sun java also does alot of the same thing.. its called netbeans and they have free lessons too.

    what are you waiting for .. start coding NOW
    • xlent, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0until you get burnt and turn up empty when you try looking for another job in a different industry.
    • cryptoki, on 02/01/2008, -0/+1true.. but if you can program... you can be a technical BA, networking professional, database admin, hardware-desktop support.. the opportunities are endless..

      stay positive...
  • avisotin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11. Become a geek.
    2. ???
    3. Profit!
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