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- mikesly, on 10/10/2007, -6/+726First I would like FiOS in my area before I can complain about it..
- Vicujozobenaxod, on 10/10/2007, -46/+538Hong Kong is so densely populated, it would be incredibly economical to get fiber to customers in the area and they could charge those rates. Compare that to the United States, a much larger area with the population scattered all over. That's the main reason fiber is not highly available and expensive, it's also a huge reason the average bandwidth for internet services in the U.S. is so pathetic compared to asian and european nations. It's all about size and population density.
- Daolohua, on 10/10/2007, -4/+371Quit with all the "DIGG THIS!!!" titles. We know how the site works...
- CLShortFuse, on 10/10/2007, -9/+152I live in West New York, between the most densely populated town in North America (Guttenburg, NJ with 56,012.0 per square mile) and the most densely populated city in North America (Union City, NJ with 52,825/sq mi).
West New York's population density is 44,995.1/sq mi.
Hong Kong's poulation density is 16,073/sq mi
Yet I have Optimum Online Cable, 30mbit down by 5 mbit up for $65 a month. Static IP is $25 more. 15mbit/2mbit is $50 (but I upgraded)
YES FIOS IS A RIP OFF!
Btw, NYC's population density is 26,656/sq mi but OptOnline nor FIOS is available not because of its density, but the fact it's an island.
(stats from Wikipedia) - vypergts, on 10/10/2007, -2/+127Agreed, FiOS is a bargain compared to anything else you can get in the US.
- DanteDefiance, on 10/10/2007, -7/+110STOP TELLING ME TO DO STUFF!!
- bpapa, on 10/10/2007, -5/+108Buried for use of "Digg this" and "c'mon Digg"
- Muyoso, on 10/10/2007, -11/+112I have FIOS, and I pay like 50 a month for 30Mbit down and 5 Mbit up. I am sure happy. I really dont think FIOS is a rip off at all.
- flamov, on 10/10/2007, -3/+92I live in Hong Kong and trust me it's kinda unreliable.
- diulei, on 10/10/2007, -5/+84True, but that still doesn't answer why ISPs can't offer that in areas like NYC, Chicago, SF, etc.
- kent1146, on 10/10/2007, -6/+84Perhaps if we all digg this enough, Verizon will realize the errors of their ways, respect their customers, and fear the impending mass exodus of their customers to Hong Kong when said customers realize that they were being ripped off the whole time [/sarcasm]
Dugg down for a ***** stupid title and description. - Disinterested, on 10/10/2007, -3/+76maybe it's just me but i really hate articles with "DIGG THIS" or "BREAKING!" in their headline.
- dweeb79, on 10/10/2007, -13/+79Well Hong Kong has way more people in a square block then Verizon has in a square block. Verizon needs to recoup the cost to lay the fiber and setup the network.
- brufleth, on 10/10/2007, -3/+63Seriously. This post is just dumb. ZOMG SOME PEOPLES IN ANOTHER COUNTRY GET CHEAPER NETINTERS!!!!?!1 That's great. As it stands most areas don't even have FiOS and I for one would love to have the alternative to the only available cable company/ISP. Maybe after FiOS or similar alternative competitors are wide spread there will be enough competition to drive cost/performance levels to what other countries have.
- LostinService, on 10/28/2007, -9/+68population density is trivial when you consider that nyc (manhattan in particular) isn't wired for Vfios.
- morpheus69, on 10/10/2007, -2/+50NEWS FLASH - Japan has had 100 Mbps fiber to the home connections for less than $50 a month for over four years. I used to live there, and the service was excellent. I live in Hong Kong now, and the service is not so great. They may advertise 100 Mbps, but it's "best efforts" service on a shared pipe. If you get a few people downloading anime on bittorrent and a few other people infected with spam bots then your realistic throughput is reduced to a few Mbps. Honestly, when I visit my parents' house in Boston and use their Comcast cable broadband connection, I can't really tell the difference.
So, Asia fanboys, stop drooling over what great technology they have "over there". I live "over there" and trust me the technology is the same. The chicks are hotter, though. - alciadanet, on 10/10/2007, -7/+51Hong Kong = Free Market Capitalism.
- TheG2, on 10/10/2007, -1/+33You can thank the cable monopolies and the large amount of red tape Verizon has to go through in order to lay new cable for that fact.
- plundstedt, on 10/10/2007, -1/+32If that's true, why does Canada enjoy a higher rate of broadband than US customers?
http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/Images/commenta ... - KeepSwinging, on 10/10/2007, -2/+31either way, it's all way better then comcast
- Azuroth, on 10/10/2007, -2/+31Precisely BS!!
Hong Kong, population ~7,000,000
New York City, population ~ 8,100,000
So where can I get 100Mb service in NY?
Furthermore... http://www.freepress.net/docs/shooting_the_messeng ...
See Myth #4: The United States covers a huge geographic area. We’re only behind in broadband penetration
because other countries have higher population densities.
Reality: There is absolutely no correlation between a country’s population density and its broadband
penetration. There is a very weak relationship between broadband penetration and the percentage of a
country’s population living in urban areas, but this explains very little of the differences between
nations' broadband rankings. Eight of the 14 countries ahead of the United States in the OECD
broadband rankings actually have lower percentages of their population living in urban areas.
Furthermore, accounting for geographic and demographic factors doesn’t improve our broadband
standing. A recent study by the industry-funded Phoenix Center that attempted to account for such
factors still shows the United States as 14th among the 30 OECD nations. - crimson117, on 10/10/2007, -11/+39Yup, buried as inaccurate. Hong Kong's ISP availability doesn't prove anything about suburban USA ISP availability.
- neckaros, on 10/10/2007, -4/+27We have 100Mbt/s without monthly limitation + Free phone for almost everywhere + TV for 42$ in France
- khyberkitsune, on 10/10/2007, -0/+23Umm, population density isn't the issue. The gov't gave the telcoms 200 billion to revamp the infrastructure - that money DISAPPEARED. Oh, and now we're looking at a newly and nearly reconstituted AT&T monopoly again. I'll guarantee you it's not that hard to run fiber, especially if run above ground like most POTS lines are.
- j0keR, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22I buried the parent comment for spreading that inaccurate propaganda for the millionth time. There are areas of the United States that are much more dense population-wise than a lot of areas around the world that have 100mbit connections and fiber installed. There are clearly extra-economic factors holding us back, likely government regulation. If it was purely a density factor, we would see clusters of customers with speeds on-par with those of countries around the world. I can't think of a single city in the United States that I could move to that would get me a 100mbit line. I'm a believer in the free market, but you should know that we don't exist in a free market-- and the only economic factors involved are being controlled by the government.
- sacherjj, on 10/10/2007, -7/+27It really breaks down to country size. This is why cell service is better in other countries, instead of the us. Hong Kong: 422 Sq Miles. USA: 3.8 MILLION Sq Miles. Which one looks easier to run fiber for?
- gusevx, on 10/10/2007, -3/+22Buried for telling me to digg it.
- noahhoward, on 10/10/2007, -2/+21You do realise you can run fiber optic to an island right? The same way you can run electricity, phone and cable.
- RadicalEdward, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18Well it's one thing to be downloading a 300MB file on cable in the us and have it be unreliable and it's another doing that on hong kong fiber. How long do you need it to be "reliable" for? What like less than 30 seconds?
- leetleo, on 10/10/2007, -18/+35These telecoms would charge you for wood to make a smoke signal if they could get away with it. Keep digging stories like these, as consumer awareness is the key to getting better service and lower prices!
- morpheus69, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16Dumbass...Hong Kong doesn't have a communist government and internet isn't filtered here. That happens in mainland China.
- Casedot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16Good point. The government has a lot to do with connection prices and competition. Japan has much faster offerings than us in large part because the Japanese government really pushed competition yet made it easier for providers to get started and roll out the expensive fiber networks.
That being said, the US is a lot larger geographically than Hong Kong or Japan, and even though that might seem like a weak excuse given the intense speed of fiber, it just costs us way to much to install it. Give it a couple of years when we have a solid fiber network running to most homes for the speeds to start going up. - TheOther1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16Stealing your neighbors pr0n very quickly
- mrsteveman1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14Cept they have been running fiber for the last 10 years, and most of it is still dark.
Learn the subject before you inject geography as the end all of excuses. - xerigen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Come on people! Start having babies! Make this population more dense! I want surburbia EVERYWHERE! Give me 100 MBPS!
- KevenM, on 10/10/2007, -10/+22There's so much wrong with this comparison, I really don't know where to begin. Buried.
- norman619, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Relaiable for online gaming and streaming audio/video would be nice.
- Bantec, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12I think most people are missing the point of Verizon breaking into the cable market. Competition. The cable companies run organized monopolies, and since congress is unwilling to do anything about this Verizon is our only hope. However, that is scary unto itself.
- OneManArmy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14Avg broadband speed per country http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/Images/commenta ...
- Why2Kay, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13No, Verizon does not cap it. Unless the cap is > 1TB. In which case... who REALLY uses that much? (And doesn't need a business line)
- pcgeek101, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13Negatory. Comcast is at the bottom of the US providers.
- av4rice, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12HK is a very small area of China
- paloooz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12At that speed ... I could fill my harddrives lickity split.
- 391rippy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12It's all about the ACTUAL speed you are getting. Before I moved I had a t1 and I consistently got 1.5mbps. Now I have comcast's 6mbps service, but I never get more than 300kbps.
- zeejay, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12The cool thing about FiOS is that you actually *get* 15 down consistently, unlike cable, which may say you get 5, but in reality, seldom tops 3 -- never mind the upstream, which, with cable, is a joke. Downloading a song from iTunes happens so fast the progress bar doesn't even appear. The song is just there, instantly.
The FiOS "cable" TV service also rules - in addition to a fatter pipe, they use FAR better compression than digital cable, so picture quality is vastly superior. To top it all, I'm paying something like $25 less a month than I paid Comcast. FiOS, a rip-off??? Dugg down for being asinine. Giving people 100Mbps is easy when the whole damn country's on one LAN segment. - j0keR, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12They're much freer, but they can't be the perfect example. The United States should really be raising the bar for freedom, not China.
- kaelyiesta, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Why do we keep having to refute that stupid counterargument? Local businesses would have easily provided for US cities, which by the way are some of the densest urban environments of any countries. The reason we don't have what other countries do, even in dense cities, is because our government and the telcos which have been given BILLIONS which they then used to lock out any competition. We are getting ***** in the ass by a small group of businessmen with the blessings of their political counterparts.
See some of the comments above, I have gotten bored of constantly disproving that stupid "America is too spread out for the poor telcos... give them more taxpayer money please" *****. - runeasgar, on 10/10/2007, -4/+14Explanation -- This is America, where you pay for more than you get. You should be used to this by now..
- picsectionpleez, on 10/10/2007, -1/+114 Mbit Down / 1.5 Mbit up = free open wireless hub next door FTW
- GawtMilk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10I live in Hong Kong, the reason we have such fast internet is that the population density here is among the highest in the world.
There are seven million people living in 1,000 sq km area [well, actually it's more like six million in a 400 sq km area, that's the central district not including outlying islands, south side, etc]. There are 1,500 people living in every square kilometer, so it's cost efficient for them to just lay the cable everywhere in the central district. I live on the south side of Hong Kong, and I don't get service. -
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