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- jmpeagle, on 01/08/2008, -1/+16they still have the most published professors and the leaders in their fieldd, and I think having one of those degrees on your resume will probably help you. Not to mention many of our country's entrepreneurs come from there (ex. Facebook).
- HaloZero, on 01/08/2008, -2/+15Gotta love that brand name education. Just like everything else in other society.
- ScienceDoc, on 01/08/2008, -12/+24The Ivy League schools are not worth the money. The are out of date and out of touch. The are a christening for the rich.
- socialpyramid, on 01/08/2008, -3/+15Now even Presidents' kids can afford to go there.
- u8eR, on 01/08/2008, -0/+9Every university should be competing to have lower tuition rates. The increasing cost of attending college is damaging to America.
- Matrixsta, on 01/08/2008, -3/+11While tuition at these schools is still high, contrary to popular belief, Harvard and Yale aren't even in the Top 20 for being the most expensive Colleges.
http://digg.com/business_finance/The_Most_Expensiv ... - mavere, on 01/08/2008, -2/+7According to Harvard, if you make up to 180,000 a year, you'd only have to pay at most 10% of your income. If you do make that much, paying $18,000 or less a year seems quite worth it to me to receive Harvard's or any other brand-name university's education, connections, and diploma.
And of course, if you make less than a certain amount, your parents won't have to pay a dime. - shredswithpiks, on 01/08/2008, -2/+7by definition?
- sh0k, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4C'mon MIT! Daddy needs a new degree!
- Br0wn, on 01/08/2008, -4/+8community college woot woot.
- hendrixlives64, on 01/09/2008, -0/+4i just got into UPenn and have NO idea how i'm going to pay for it... :(
- TimurD, on 01/08/2008, -0/+3That's not true at all. First, many of the top professors teach and research at Ivy League universities. In the sciences, top journals such as Nature and Science routinely publish the work of Ivy League professors. Ivy League professors are very often advisors to top politicians, companies, and organizations and Ivy League universities very often host some of the most famous people in the world. By definition, therefore, the Ivies cannot be "out of touch".
Also, on the more practical side, top companies, research labs, banks, universities, etc. all recruit very heavily from Ivies. An Ivy League education is worth every single penny and will continue to be so in the future. - Fimus, on 01/08/2008, -0/+3MIT is very generous with its financial aid.
- Archer007, on 01/08/2008, -0/+3I digg down those who don't use the built-in digg reply system.
- archerOFloaf, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2I don't know if this is completely true. I did however find myself in hard place when shopping around for grants and scholarships. It truely does seem that if your white or come from a middle class family you are screwed. If your from both .... which I am then there is NO free money for you. I had to join the air force to get my money for school. Even then the money I get from the G.I. Bill still isn't enough to pay for tuition. Fasfa (aka governement loans) is where I make up the difference. Their are all kind of scholarships if your poor or a minority. I typed up white scholarship and got a court case where some minority was sueing a group called the young republicans for having a scholarship that was the same a any naacp scholarship. Its all very sad. I'm just trying to get by in the world and I'm being discriminated against by government polocies and people truning a blind eye. This ***** has got to stop. I'm 23 years old and was never a ***** plantation owner. ***** I'm a slave for my G/F (all men are) so stop hating on me. I think scholarship money shouldn't have a race check box!
- TinternAbbot, on 01/09/2008, -0/+2Agreed. But what's also damaging is the ridiculous belief that everyone NEEDS to attend college.
- inactive, on 01/09/2008, -1/+3Your first statement is not correct. There are universities in America that are MUCH more rigorous even when teaching the same subject. Learning economics at the Univ of Chicago is a far different experience from learning it at a community college. However, I'd probably put Baruch up against UoC and the price differential is absurd.
Yes, it pays to shop around but no, not all schools are the same. - TinternAbbot, on 01/09/2008, -0/+2I'm a student at an Ivy League school right now, so perhaps I'm biased, but I'm not sure what it means for a university to be "out of touch." If my school is out of touch with modern America, then that's fine with me given what I see in the population.
- inactive, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1Generally true. Baruch is somewhat more selective in terms of the % of applicants that it admits but it has no where near the SAT profile that UoC has (at least WRT F-T freshmen). My guess is that you do get a more rigorous education at UoC but if you can't get in and you work really hard I'd say Baruch isn't a bad alternative.
What IS a bad alternative is to go to a community college (or just pick one close to you) under the mistaken notion that "all schools are the same" which was the hypothesis put forth by the original poster. - ssmith2k3, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1that list doesn't seem that accurate. for example, Columbia's tuition is 36997 according to usnews and it isn't on that list
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usne ... - Matrixsta, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1http://www.columbia.edu/cu/sfs/docs/University_Tui ...
- nkthen, on 05/29/2008, -0/+1Let's just hope for the best. http://www.financialaidonline.net
- Typhoon2009, on 01/08/2008, -2/+3I'm still a high school student... the ivy league schools certainly sound good and prolific but I'll be damned if I get into one. A pal of mine pointed me to "Embry Riddle." I had never heard of the school before but some searching (AKA Wikipedia... it's sourced though) showed that it's one of the best Aeronautics schools, that 7 NASA astronauts graduated from it, and that 25% of US commercial pilots have graduated from there. And much cheaper than Yale or Harvard or whatnot.
- sonofabeast, on 01/08/2008, -2/+3# this offer not valid for whites or the children of successful adults
- smurphyzeke, on 01/08/2008, -2/+3I'm still waiting for book prices to go down.
- PATSCRU, on 01/08/2008, -2/+3YEAH! GO TROJANS! USC!
o wait..... - Protest, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1You definitely need to be proactive and seek out aid. We are starting a community for working students if you are interested in participating.. should be right up yer alley, and we just launched today! http://www.studentswithjobs.com
- sphykik, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1awesome, i just applied a couple weeks ago!
*crosses fingers* - inactive, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1Dugg for knowing the rigor of econ at UofC.
- euro22, on 12/17/2008, -0/+1$18k? Try $40k+.
- Trixrox, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1I wish all schools would drop loans from their aid package, what kind of aid is that...and they should drop affirmative action, just because someone is black doesn't mean they should get a full ride and I shouldn't. I have so much better grades than a few people I know that get full rides, it is complete crap.
- ssmith2k3, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1columbia college is $17,758 so times two is 35,516 which should still be on the list. am I doing something wrong?
- TinternAbbot, on 01/09/2008, -1/+2The only reason these (I assume you mean Ivy) universities exist is so parents can act like they're still young? No. They exist because some people want the educational environment that private schools offer. That's it.
- codywhat, on 01/09/2008, -0/+0i have to agree. If you are black in this country, a lot of roadblocks to success are already taken out for you. But the criminal system on the other hand.....
- archerOFloaf, on 01/08/2008, -0/+0The government will ALWAYS give you a loan in some way or another. Whether its sub or non sub, parent plus or one of the hundreds of others is another story. With that being said I'm going to go ahead and wave the ***** flag on you. Your a liar and you have been served. My gripe isn't with loans though. My gripe is with scholarships and the government. I just think they should eliminate the race check box from all applications. Open playing field. A scholarship should be based on merit not skin color. I could beat out thousands of applicants if I wasn't banned from applying because I was white. I spent my military career grooming myself to look like Jesus (you get the idea) on scholarship applications. Served during the war on terrorism, spent countless hours doing various community work, deployed to foreign countries, helped in allies training, the list goes on. Then I get out and I'm banned from certain scholarships because of what ..... I'm white! Are any of the presidential candidates fighting to eliminate what I'm talking about?
- TimurD, on 01/08/2008, -0/+0It's nice to see that they will be giving more financial aid, but I can't help but feel bad for upper-middle class families that are having a hard enough time getting into Ivies as it is (assuming that they are not minorities) and I can just imagine how much fun they are going to have once these new financial aid programs take effect.
Either way, though, I think that the Ivy League education and experience is definitely worth it, no matter what the price. - TimurD, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1I agree with you that you can get a good education from a variety of universities, but I really don't understand where your last paragraph is coming from.
Parents go to football games and get drunk with frat boys? First of all, no one in the Ivies cares for football. Even at homecoming, which is the biggest game of the year, the stadiums are maybe 3/4 full, and this includes all the parents. For typical games, it would not be surprising to see the stadiums half, or more, empty. Also, Greek life is not a huge deal at Ivies and I have never ever ever seen anyone's parents at a frat house unless it was during their annual bring the family event.
What you are describing is a stereotype of what would happen at some massive state school, but even then, I have never heard of people's parents partying at the frat house. You should really get your facts straight. - stormgren, on 01/09/2008, -1/+1"Unless you are going into politics, law or med school."
Actually, all you need for a good med school is a GPA, and they really don't care where. Go to a big public school, get a 4.0 and get into whatever med school you want if that's what you want to do. - TinternAbbot, on 01/09/2008, -0/+0...yeah, 40k before the new financial aid policy. 10% is the new policy.
- logosx1, on 01/09/2008, -0/+0And yet, many Ivy Leaguers cannot even pass the test of civic literacy. If your true goal is education, the Ivy League is not special. If your goal is for other people to THINK that you're educated, then go ahead and spend the excess money.
- TinternAbbot, on 01/09/2008, -0/+0Yes, but the average caliber of a Baruch student can't match the average caliber of a Chicago student. It's not just the name brand of a school that makes it "good," it's the quality of people it can attract.
- CountryTime, on 01/09/2008, -0/+0good luck, because nobody is just gonna hand it to you. be proactive and look for financial aid and scholarships.
- Ninnux, on 01/08/2008, -8/+7@ScienceDoc :: Ummmm....No.
I'm witnessing first hand an ivy league education in progress as my wife attends the Wharton School at Penn for her MBA. The brand name is definitely worth the tens of thousands of dollars she will ultimately spend on the degree. If any one of the companies interested in hiring her actually do, then she'll have no problem paying that debt off in a fairly short period of time. By definition, the education is definitely worth the trouble. - crazywarthog, on 01/08/2008, -3/+1Funny how the left talks about how oil companies gouge the public. But almost never how liberal universities are gouging the public for 100s of thousands of dollars for a 4 year degree.
You are dumb schmucks ! - scoottie, on 01/08/2008, -3/+1your wife would get hired for being a women first then further down the list would be her education
- alpharaptor, on 01/08/2008, -5/+2yale pays bucky, bucky pays me, bitch better have my money
- Pillage, on 01/08/2008, -5/+2D's get Degrees!
- kurocrow, on 01/08/2008, -3/+0Pfah. My parents are first generation immigrants who came here with nothing, I'm a minority, and I had an unweighted 4.0 GPA in high school. The government STILL told me to take a hike when I asked for college money.
- punchinelli, on 01/08/2008, -7/+4Unless you are going into politics, law, or medical school, it doesn't really matter what college you go to. And the only reason it matters for those three industries is because of tradition.
You can get a good, quality education for a fraction of the price at other universities.
The only reason these universities still exist is so the student's parents can go to the football games and get drunk with the current Fraternity brothers and act like they are still young and hit on the college girls who are secretely (or not so secretely) grossed out. How else are they going to justify giving that much back to the university that took a hundred thousand dollars from them for a regular education! - founderofpork, on 01/08/2008, -8/+2College is a ripoff no matter where you go. Bachelor's degree is like a high school diploma now. Soon a Masters will be required just to flip burgers. Complete nonsense.


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