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- Chestnutridge, on 07/09/2009, -9/+56I wouldn't get too wound-up about this announcement. Governments with "command economies" are famous for making such announcement and then never living up to them. The Soviets used to claim all sorts of enviro-friendly initiatives and economic milestones. It was only when the system collapsed that we found it had all been on paper.
- tbhurst, on 07/08/2009, -2/+29The timing of the announcement is interesting.
- shig, on 07/09/2009, -5/+31Fourth gen nuclear reactors are very efficient. The bulk of the "waste" from a molten salt reactor has a half-life of only 27 days, and can be chemically reprocessed again as fuel. It can even use reprocessed waste from our current light-water reactors as fuel. This isn't a shipyard full of waste either; 800kg per year per *gigawatt*. It's more efficient than hypothetical fusion reactors.
- DisruptionFL, on 07/09/2009, -7/+32Saying and doing is two different things. I call bullsh!t.
- SBolivar, on 07/08/2009, -10/+30It's sad that they are only setting a target of 15% and yet I currently agree-- they are kicking the US's ass. Hopefully the Senate gets their act together and passes some legislation. China is probably doing us a favor.
- orlyfactor, on 07/09/2009, -3/+23I set a target to earn 10 billion dollars next year, thus kicking everyone else's butt.
- mobilebond, on 07/08/2009, -5/+24They still need to do that... Easy to say/set...
- shig, on 07/09/2009, -2/+17In between the starving and the murdering there are good times, sometimes...
- waspbr, on 07/09/2009, -3/+18You do realise that the US is the leading nation in coal consumption... not China
- Czechxican, on 07/09/2009, -0/+14Too bad that fourth gen nuclear reactors are also theoretical at this point and none are commercially viable until 2030...with the first "real" plant planned to be built in 2021....so I think the jury might still be out on whether nuclear reactors are going to solve much before then. Meanwhile solar and wind are available NOW.
Actual source from the horse's mouth:
http://nuclear.energy.gov/genIV/documents/gen_iv_r ...
They admit these things won't be ready for almost 20 years!!! - amoro99, on 07/09/2009, -6/+19When you are a totalitarian regime, you can make such claims.
- drmangrum, on 07/09/2009, -1/+14They haven't kicked anybody's ass.
Setting a target and meeting a target are two completely different things. Don't forget that China is bringing coal power plants online at a staggering rate. - Pedestrian101, on 07/09/2009, -1/+13And yet China opens a NEW Coal powerplant every week.
- duncan202, on 07/09/2009, -0/+9Governments say stuff.
- robbob, on 07/09/2009, -7/+16no one is kicking the US's butt until they actually fulfill their "plan".
Until then this is only a PR blurb. Nothing more. - edebolt, on 07/09/2009, -3/+11they need it because lots of china are disgusting to visit. Go to Yunnan province in the west. Much less crowded and polluted than eastern provinces.
- Czechxican, on 07/09/2009, -2/+9It's a lot easier to make promises when you are accountable to no one but yourself....
- Swivelstick, on 07/09/2009, -1/+8How about we invest at least 50% of what nuclear generation has had invested in it in alternative sources before we go down the path of using another fuel that is finite.
- bizworkout, on 07/09/2009, -3/+9Its a great initiative and I think there is more to it than just caring for the climate. The Chinese know that they have to plan for the next 50 years and the traditional energy supplies are either going to be exhausted or disputed hotly amongst other nations. The way forward is to make sure that at least some portion of their energy is generated using renewables.
- inactive, on 07/09/2009, -0/+6Yeah, but the acid rain is a bitch so, you know, there are trade-offs.
- ontain, on 07/09/2009, -3/+9They won't become viable without lots of money being put into them to improve efficiency.
- chinaman1212, on 07/09/2009, -9/+15comunism is never good. ever.
- inactive, on 07/09/2009, -1/+7You're more than welcome to go live there.
- Alli3388, on 07/09/2009, -0/+6Who are you talking to?
- wolfing, on 07/09/2009, -0/+6like we'll have any way of confirming it when they announce they met their goal
- user500, on 07/09/2009, -3/+8In other news I declared the goal of being 1000% renewable energy dependent and to lose 200 Lbs so I can have a negative weight.
- krekc, on 07/09/2009, -0/+5I set a target to earn 11 billion dollars next year, thus kicking yours and everyone else's butt.
- EarlOfLade, on 07/09/2009, -2/+7Only an ignoramus think China is a communist country or ever has been.
- nmanguy, on 07/09/2009, -5/+10I really doubt that China is beating us in renewable energy sources, because in China, they probably consider baby girls, journalists and students "renewable".
- pathouston22, on 07/09/2009, -5/+10And arresting thousands of protestors while threatening them with execution. Yeah, communism is just grand!
- mogebier, on 07/09/2009, -1/+6A bigger benefit to the Earth would be for China to put filters on all their belching coal-burning power plants.
This 15% renewal sources is complete *****. China just wants to draw attention away from the fact it's an amazingly huge polluter and will continue to be one. - KyotoWolf, on 07/09/2009, -0/+5They've been talking about this for a long time, for example:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/09/china- ... - LokitheComplex, on 07/09/2009, -0/+5More like nationalist dictatorship now.
- overtoke, on 07/09/2009, -1/+6the US government suppresses information too. we killed a million in iraq and killed and permanently disabled over 100k of our own citizens just so we can control how oil is sold in iraq
AND our government cooperates with corporations to the detriment of this country and its people. - mcdett, on 07/09/2009, -11/+15Fools! China builds a new coal burning plant with no air scrubbing every two weeks. When they talk about renewable energy, their talking about damming up rivers. Check out the 3 rivers gorge project.
Its easy to dam up rivers and relocate millions of people to make your "renewable" energy goals when you have no due process, and the environmental activist are shipped off to labor camps.
You are all suckers! - hasslinthehoff, on 07/09/2009, -2/+6If you actually believe that China should be a shining example of progressive environmental policies, then there's a tract of swampland of Florida I think you might be interested in...
- enantiodromia, on 07/09/2009, -1/+5By the same logic, Kim Jong-il is the best golfer in the history of the sport.
- MaxxusFlamus, on 07/09/2009, -0/+4exactly what countries were conquered to build the dam?
- norman619, on 07/09/2009, -3/+7No *****. It's kinda like saying "I plan to win the marathon." Not quite the same as saying "I won the marathin."
- Midtowner, on 07/09/2009, -1/+5We also lead the world in emissions control technology implementation.
China? Not so much. But I guess if they're looking to control the population, lung cancer is a fair way of doing it. - lolwatermelon, on 07/09/2009, -0/+4Climate Change doesn't only refer to Global Warming.
- Solkre, on 07/09/2009, -2/+6But we're cleaner about it.
- jfreeman, on 07/09/2009, -0/+4Look at how the people live in China. Their government doesn't care about the effects of its policies on its people. I don't want to live in a country that sees me as expendable in the pursuit of one-upping other countries.
- rif42, on 07/09/2009, -0/+4In absolute numbers China will surpass Spain by the end of 2009. However it is the "per capita" figures that is interesting. Here it is Denmark, Spain, Portugal and Ireland that are leading.
- themostimproved, on 07/09/2009, -0/+4Erm why I agree The United States could benefit from less a less Mercantile economy, I find it hard to believe it is more Mercantile then China... who is rapidly growing rapidly BECAUSE they are holding down their currency, so that foreignors will buy their goods. Sounds alot like economic nationalism a.k.a. Mercantilism to me.
- Fasterthanthou, on 07/09/2009, -0/+4not to mention the fact that China has some of the worst air pollution in the world. i still remember the images from the beijing games.
if they can hit 15%, more power to them. i (and a few other people i should imagine) simply think that they can't. - drinking12many, on 07/09/2009, -0/+4What the nytimes article doesnt mention is alot fo the newer cleaner coal plants the US wants to build are being blocked by environmentalist lawsuits same as some of the windmill farms and any attempt and further building of nuclear reactors. China doesnt have those problems. Environmentalist want it both way more clean power but the try to prevent it because it might kill a few birds or its not totally clean coal therefore its bad even though it might be 5X better than a current plant.
- MaxxusFlamus, on 07/09/2009, -1/+5at least it's their own citizens....and they're not running around the world imprisoning people they find herding goats and stuff.
- 1smartguy, on 07/09/2009, -14/+18Let them waste their money and resources on white elephants. Let us do the right thing and make a herculean investment in conservation and the next generations of nuclear power.
I wish more people could see past the feel goodery of solar and wind power, and crunch some numbers. I truly wish solar and wind were viable, practical, green ways to generate electricity, but they're not. The only reason most of these projects are done in the first place, is to meet mandates set by governments, and not because they're practical endeavors. - inactive, on 07/09/2009, -0/+3What? like US cant build ANY bridges because one collapsed due to wind oscillation?
or that cant build ANY cars because pintos exploded.
I think they have a couple of apartment buildings that didn't fall over and the person responsible for making us LOL at that building is probably an involuntary organ donor by now. -
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