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- algaeturd, on 08/31/2008, -12/+87This isn't the United States anymore. This is the country formerly known as the United States. It's been almost 8 years since we've been that country we used to be back when libertry, freedom and truth were important.
- damack, on 08/30/2008, -1/+46This is interesting I read about the state of internet not too long ago about how the western world was falling behind with the internet due to 100Mb connections existing nationwide in countries like South Korea, Singapore and Japan. In fact theyr starting to push out 1Gb connections, the whole of Hong Kong is hooked up with 1Gb connections!
Not sure what the average broadband speed in the US is but I'm sure you guys dont have it as bad as us in the UK. The average speed here is 2Mb, only 66% of the population have access to broadband and were not getting nationwide 100Mb speeds till 2012 at the earliest!
When you compare that to nations like Japan who have had 100Mb internet for years now or god forbid Hong Kong we look a light year behind and if applications end up being designed for high bandwidth internet we're going to be missing out, so much for a leading nation. - LibrarianEtarip, on 08/31/2008, -0/+17No excuse when CANADA is getting better access.
- Dylson, on 08/31/2008, -3/+20Well. This sucks.
- kemp34, on 08/31/2008, -1/+13You are right on. Two sides of the same corrupt and rotten coin.
- Thinbev, on 08/31/2008, -13/+22That's strange... Barack never said he'll stop spying on Americans. Neither did McCain. McCain and Obama's differences are only cosmetic. Neither of them have real fundamental differences.
McCain wants war in Iraq and Afghanistan (and possibly Russia)
Obama wants all the soldiers from Iraq to be fighting in Afghanistan (and possibly Russia).
McCain doesn't want to cut spending
Obama doesn't want to cut spending
McCain wants to keep taxing people out the nose
Obama wants to increase taxes for those who succeed
McCain wants to regulate our lives
Obama wants to regulate our lives
McCain will allow the Federal Reserve to keep devaluing our dollar
Obama will allow Federal Reserve ro keep devaluing our dollar.
McCain will allow the Federal Reserve to stay in business
Obama will allow the Federal Reserve to stay in business
McCain will keep the Patriot Act
Obama will keep the Patriot Act
McCain wants to take away even more of our money with a carbon tax
Obama wants to take away even more of our money with a carbon tax
It doesn't matter who gets elected because either way our lives won't really change and our quality of life will keep going down.
If you guys want to see what real change is visit: www.CampaignForLiberty.com - Focher, on 08/31/2008, -2/+11Let's see, the only Presidents in the last 30 years who have led the country without a recession are Democrats. Both Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton failed to have recessions during their time in office. Reagan, Bush I, and definitely Bush II have all given us those. Economics and finance? Same two Democrats managed to deliver balanced budgets at some point. Again, none of those Republicans did it.
The whole "Democrats are bad for the economy" cracks me up. It's a myth that has no basis in fact. - leoofborg, on 08/31/2008, -4/+12I just love how these O'Bummer trolls come on and pitch him as the messiah. Let me let you in on a little secret. In 2000 who was the young charismatic, and who was the oldster hiding in the wings? Bush. Cheney.
Obama is no brain, Bush *used* to be articulate when he was governor. Just look at some old footage from those times.
Expect November 2009 to be the biggest bait and switch routine since, say, November 2000. - inactive, on 08/31/2008, -12/+20Take back the control of your life and the nation you live in. Sign this petition http://impeachment.kucinich.us/petition/
- shig, on 08/31/2008, -0/+8DARPA developed the protocols.
- HappyScrappy, on 08/31/2008, -0/+8Not even close. You're confusing HTTP (the world wide web) with the Internet.
There was an internet, email, usenet, FTP, gopher and even remote access through rsh and X before HTTP was invented. - leoofborg, on 08/31/2008, -0/+7Agreed. I'd go with: 'US Telcos drop the ball, world decides to route around cancer that is US "Broadband Superhighway"."
Note double quotes. - kemp34, on 08/31/2008, -0/+7Overt tyranny has a way of hurting the economy.
- Karmashock, on 08/31/2008, -2/+9First, traffic has to flow around the US as the internet grows. That it flowed through the US for all this time was more a reflection of where it started then any "trust."
Second, the US economy will not be hurt by this... this is a silly comment especially considering that Asia, the Middle East, and Africa filter their traffic far more then the US does. So who are you going to trust with your data? China, Russia, Iran, or the US? Exactly. None are ultimately trustworthy and the US is likely the MOST trustworthy of the lot. Encrypt your data and stop whining.
Third, Russia frankly has more to worry about here then the US does. They've now conducted THREE major nation wide cyber attacks on three separate countries. At some point, the consequence will be that most countries get real proficient at shutting down international traffic until the attack ends. And it's possible at some point that internationally Russia and other countries with established track records of cyber attacks are simply banned from the Root servers if/when they conduct such attacks. Hackers and scammers are something the internet is used to and can deal with... but full scale military grade cyber warfare is not something that can be tolerated... and we don't have to tolerate it. We can just shut them off the grid when they act in an antisocial manner.
Fourth, the poster misrepresented the content of the article. Please don't do that... it does a disservice to everyone here. - hiralovegmail, on 08/31/2008, -0/+6wow 2 MB speed .. here in India we get only 256 kbps and the downloading falls to 1/8th of this value . other plans are too costly. Here a conn. of 2Mbps will get a downloading speed of 256 kbps and it costs .. about $12/month with only 2 GB Upload/Downlaod limit . We are so behind .. :(
- warsongs7, on 08/31/2008, -2/+8Cue heavy metal music being played inside a tank while a grinning soldier bombs the hell out of a civilian household in Iraq.
- schneid4323, on 08/31/2008, -3/+9Biden wrote the patriot act.
- Reynardine, on 08/31/2008, -0/+6“We’re probably in one of those situations where things get a little bit harder,” said John Arquilla, a professor at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif., who said the United States had invested far too little in collecting intelligence via the Internet. “We’ve given terrorists a free ride in cyberspace,” he said.
Oh, right, terrorists are getting a free ride because WE CAN'T MONITOR THE ENTIRE WORLD'S INTERNET WITHOUT OTHER GOVERNMENTS' PERMISSION ANYMORE? And the telco monitoring facilities are too *little* an investment in intelligence collection? What is this guy smoking? - inactive, on 08/31/2008, -1/+6will the N.S A. show all that 911 pentagon picks.
you know the plane that wasn't there - LenBaird, on 08/31/2008, -1/+6It's been a lot longer than 8 years. Perhaps this last 8 years has been a good thing in that they have been so blatant that many are catching on.
- glutamate, on 08/31/2008, -0/+5When I think of Japan and the four Asian Tigers, I think we're in the wrong century.
Britain is closing in on the modern equivalent of the dark ages, while the East is very much experiencing the dawn of a Golden Age it would seem. - hugolp, on 08/31/2008, -7/+12McCabama is not going to change anything.
- leoofborg, on 08/31/2008, -1/+6The gist of this filler from the NYT is that it's *VERY* damning of the US telcos. Quote:
"Firms that have slipped in the rankings have all been American: Verizon, Savvis, AT&T, Qwest, Cogent and AboveNet.
“The U.S. telecommunications firms haven’t invested,” said Earl Zmijewski, vice president and general manager for Internet data services at Renesys. “The rest of the world has caught up. I don’t see the AT&T’s and Sprints making the investments because they see Internet service as a commodity.”
Basically, after the breakup of ATT, these guys were supposed to compete. But what's really happened is that they're taken their mediocrity from twisted pair to broadband. So. Nice try at pointing fingers at some schmoe who will be out in a couple months. The US telcos *are* as bad as the airlines. They're *not* competitive and deserve everything they get in this 'recession' that we're having. Instead of pushing back against the government it's just been business as usual in DC. *Just like* with the airlines, except for a few protests.
Who will the telcos blame after November?? O'Bummer? McSame? Yeah, right. A free ride for 'the terrorists'? Yeah riiiiight. On the worlds' most mediocre twisted pair.
You can't blame other countries for [as the phrase goes] seeing us as cancer and routing around. - damack, on 08/31/2008, -1/+6Like the gentleman above me said Canada has better access and is bigger than the US in landmass.
Not to mention if you look at where China is going with it's internet access they will have over half a billion people on ultra fast connections in a few years.
We are falling really behind with respect to the internet in the West and there is no excuse we should do something about this. - Frozo, on 08/31/2008, -1/+6Punch And Judy, man.... they're both being controlled by the same man.
- t3rmv3locity, on 08/31/2008, -1/+5I wouldn't call decreased market share in international internet traffic 'all U.S./international trades'...
- fury420, on 08/31/2008, -2/+6moronic description & title, article already posted several times with less sensationalist titles
- HappyScrappy, on 08/31/2008, -0/+4It's the title a little exaggerated? "all US/International trades"? The article mentions information storage and transfer, not all trades.
- inactive, on 08/31/2008, -2/+6Roflmao...Like other countries don't spy on their citizens (UK, France, Russia, China, Iran, Brazil and on, on, on..) and don't have government insider trading and manipulations of global trade markets...they're just pissed we started doing the same thing they've been doing...and if you believe that they don't..I have a bridge to sell ...Cheap!
- Delphium226, on 08/31/2008, -0/+4Yeah, because we would never expect wire-tapping from the Chinese now would we? Not with their loudly professed moral values and privacy rights.
- opticwind, on 08/31/2008, -0/+4Oh come on. I'm not supporting Bush but doesn't this seem a wee bit sensationalist? "Ruined all US/International trades"? Our economy would be in shambles (hey, guess what, it's not. It's a recession, not a depression), and we wouldn't have allies.
- smacksaw, on 08/31/2008, -0/+3The two analogies that come to mind are the federal highway system and airport hubs.
Americans need to wake up to the fact that we need infrastructure. We built the federal highway system for national defence. Yet it accomplished something far more important: huge economic benefits.
The second are hubs. Why would a carrier route through Toronto or Montreal? Canada is expensive to fly in to and out of. But you have the 3 NY metro airports, O'Hare, ATL, DFW...we get those travelers. We get paid to route those flights.
We need to put in high-speed internet everywhere. We need the best there is and we need gov't to pay for it. You have to wonder, if we were not at war with Iraq, but instead spent that money on improving our roads, internet and electrical infrastructure how much money people would make off of that and how much productivity we'd have. - noen, on 08/31/2008, -0/+3I see, so what you are saying is that there isn't a dimes worth of difference between the two parties, huh?
Where have I heard that before? - inactive, on 08/31/2008, -2/+5Don't kid yourself and think the nation was perfect before Bush. Sure he ***** it up a LOT more, but it wasn't all hunky-dory before 2000 either.
- OpenRevolt, on 08/31/2008, -1/+4^ Look at the newspaper in your freedom cage.
- slicker76, on 08/31/2008, -3/+6Good thing there are open democracies like China who don't wiretap
- TheCamino, on 08/31/2008, -1/+5
Okay, so having 1st Gen broadband vs. 2nd Gen broadband makes us inferior?
There are all sorts of things to judge a country about, and to prove that we're failing and falling behind the world, like GNP and GDP, freedoms, natural resources, population, policies.... AND you pick "broadband speeds" and say we're all doomed.
That, my friend, is "selecting failure."
I just looked it up. Rome failed because it was on a crappy DSL. - Delphium226, on 08/31/2008, -2/+5Yeah, Europe should get with the program and start invading future markets and handing out no-bid contracts to struggling corporations . Bribery is so 20th century.
- Koushiro, on 08/31/2008, -2/+5Actually most of the natives of the Americas died to diseases the spanish brought over with them when they explored over here and spread rapidly.
Plus slaves weren't limited to blacks from Africa, at least not until later on in the history of the States.
Just saying. - junkwheel, on 08/31/2008, -0/+2John McCain does not have the ability to lead a country.
- chourobin, on 08/31/2008, -0/+2China has it worse, with the government censorship and all. I am still glad we live in a country where we can talk about these issues, and change them if need be.
- cotaskmemalloc, on 08/31/2008, -0/+2Yup.
- 15charmaxwtf, on 08/31/2008, -1/+3Please read some more history and compare what Bush has done to other presidents. Sure, I think he has certainly accelerated the process but it wasn't like it was all that great before he came to office. Everybody's going to have a different opinion on when it started going downhill but only looking 7-8 years back is myopic.
- Psamtik, on 08/31/2008, -0/+2Look up "nuance". Please.
- Lith25, on 08/31/2008, -0/+2and honestly, who the ***** cares if terrorists are using the internet. You can't actually send out suicide bombers through the internet. Sure, it might help them to coordinate, but just learn to use that to your advantage instead of acting like you own the ***** internet and want to shut every anti-freedom thing down.
- thealsir, on 08/31/2008, -1/+3If you think a president is solely responsible for an economic boom/bust, you don't know much about the economy.
- junkneo, on 08/31/2008, -0/+2Yep, this country needs refurbishing in several structural levels and new levels have to be created/amended.
- LenBaird, on 08/31/2008, -0/+2Talk about them? Yes. Change them? I don't see how, working within the current system. The system has gone bad.
- inactive, on 08/31/2008, -19/+21I don't want to pay the US an Internet tax. No one does. Currently its $0.04 cents US a megabyte..
I don't want the US Gestapo listening in on my work and what I do. Who knows what the future holds but given the US governments lawlessness and its militant stand currently I would rather deal with someone else. If even going to this country means your laptop and anything on it will be copied at the airport, to hell with America. - Bovorik, on 08/31/2008, -0/+2The Clinton administration was big into "advancing" US business interests (i.e. using the security/intelligence apparatus to snoop on business comms) and practically everyone else with the ability to snoop, does so (the French, anyone?).
The point is, it's not as if we first started doing it after 9/11. -
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