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- thatwerks, on 10/11/2007, -17/+148Congratulations on being a sponsor that has enough sense to realize right from wrong. Too many of the sponsors are still on board a rapidly declining channel on a rapidly declining pay service that CENSORS.
I don't even drink coffee, but I am going to order some and give it to someone who does. - mikeneilson, on 10/11/2007, -16/+126There are ads on XM? I thought the point was that is was commercial-free radio. What is the point of the subscription then?
- TheBarbed1, on 10/11/2007, -13/+67Thank you to Nashville Coffee, AdamAndEve.com, and ICU2 (so far) for sticking up for free speech. Nice to see the pendulum swinging back to the side of rationality.
- CaptMonkey, on 10/11/2007, -8/+52@0xbaadf00d
Wrong! It is about them being censored. We pay for a service that is supposed to offer uncensored content which is later censored when the XM execs hear something they don't like. It's like buying a Girls Gone Wild video that has black boxes over all of the girls. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -23/+64Again - this is NOT a question of free speech.
Free speech applies to government entities, it does NOT apply to private companies. I believe that these advertisers have the right to do what they wish, but again, so does XM radio. Judging by the popularity of these companies, I don't foresee them pulling advertisements as a serious hit to XM (because, from what I understand - a lot of their money is gained by their subscriptions).
I wish people would stop knocking this as a free speech issue. If you bridge the gap between governmental First Amendment rights and then try and force companies to do the same, then you've basically given people the ability (by law) to take as much advantage of those companies as they wish. If you're an investor, shouldn't your rights also be protected against people who fly off the handle? My father, who is not a rich man by any means, owns stock in Apple - and if an Apple executive came forward and start rampantly running his mouth about Steve Jobs and making the company as a whole look bad - then how is it acceptable to let this person do and say whatever they want without fear of reprocution - but guys like my dad who aren't millionaires lose out some money on their investment?
I believe many of you have a VERY skewed idea on something such as Free Speech. The Bush Administration preventing people from saying what they wish without violating anyone's rights - THAT is an infringement of the First Amendment. What you are advocating for is the rampant, unaccountable ramblings of anyone under any medium, who don't have to abide by what their bosses (nor investors) tell them. - NSMike, on 10/11/2007, -7/+46Bamont is right. This isn't a free speech issue. The issue is that XM falsely advertised themselves as uncensored. And also that their business merger concerns are more important than keeping their customer base happy.
- 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -12/+45It's not about them being censored. A private service like xm can censor whatever they want. The problem is that, those guys were hired to do that kind of thing. And similar to Imus, the channel probably had the ability to bleep out anything they thought crossed the line. If they didn't bleep it out, it's their own fault for letting it through. Hopefully they will sue like Imus for wrongful termination.
- DreKor, on 10/11/2007, -5/+35Wow, this really isn't a free speech issue. I'm not going to bore anybody with a civics lesson, but if the government isn't involved with the censoring, it's not a constitutional issue.
What this is, is a lesson in capitalism. When XM offered a product people wanted, they bought it. When XM stopped offering the product, people stopped buying it. When XM offered advertisers an audience, the advertisers bought in. When XM lost their audience, the advertisers jumped ship. - bonked, on 10/11/2007, -7/+29GODDAMN IT! I am so sick of this everytime anyone mentions "Commercials on a talk station - WTF?!"
Do this once. Sit in front of a microphone for 4 hours, do not stop talking ever, do not step out and take a piss, don't take a moment to read the news that rolls in that you want to discuss, do not set up additional segments. That is what you are asking talk jocks without breaks to do. You need a moment or two every once in a while (O&A have gone over 1.5 hours without one before) to stay sane and be competent.
I know it's off topic, but christ, music jocks get a 3-4 minute break during every song.
@damndj - 0.0 on a station that hadn't had ratings reported since they joined - in other words, the previous jock had a 0.0. - threemagic, on 10/11/2007, -14/+36I hate Tennessee for my own reasons (cough.. speed trap..cough)... but I will order my coffee from them.
- kamiller, on 10/11/2007, -4/+25I agree, it is not a free speech issue. XM is not monitored by the FCC, XM has the right to allow whatever they want and don't want to be broadcast via their service. However XM has decided to start censoring what can be said on a supposedly uncensored station. If I were a customer I would be pissed (much like everyone else), why pay a monthly fee to listen to censored radio when you can already do that for free.
- lindenwold, on 10/11/2007, -6/+26Thank you Nashville Coffee!!! Love to support companies that stand up for what they believe in! (Great Kona Roast by the way!)
- threemagic, on 10/11/2007, -12/+31commercial free music...
most other stations have commercials.
What's the point???
Myriads of music choices, comedy choices, old style radio, several major news feeds, major sports news, major sporting events..... always available, no matter where you are. - pictureDIGGER, on 10/11/2007, -15/+34to be more specific,
http://digg.com/users/katanaC/news/dugg
http://digg.com/users/djstrat/news/dugg
http://digg.com/users/thatwerks/news/dugg
http://digg.com/users/Burgerlord/news/dugg
http://digg.com/users/TheBarbed1/news/dugg
http://digg.com/users/krisko/news/dugg
http://digg.com/users/elitemrp/news/dugg
http://digg.com/users/mattmcmi/news/dugg
and that is the "dugg" section so it can change. If it doesn't look suspicious, trust me and move on to the profile tab to see when they joined - 0ceanic, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20im going to buy their coffee now too.
al sharpton has riled up the masses decrying the advertisers have the right to vote down racism with the dollar.
i choose to vote up free speech with my dollar. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+24"Hmmm, someone hasn't been an American for very long has he? Free speach.."
Apparently, someone hasn't passed 2nd grade spelling class. - pictureDIGGER, on 10/11/2007, -11/+28here we go again, diggers I encourage you to read my comments even though they are buried by the new members who mysteriously all joined yesterday and dugg the same articles.
- pictureDIGGER, on 10/11/2007, -12/+28i still think that most of the people behind getting this xm stuff are an organized group from outside digg, but free speech should be allowed when it is a subscription service.
- crichols82, on 10/11/2007, -6/+18Just ordered a pound of Nashville Kona
- balognytts, on 10/11/2007, -6/+17Support the Sponsers who have shown support for O&A:
http://www.nashvillecoffee.com/
www.AdamAndEve.com
www.icu2.com - meninostongue, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12This isn't a free speech issue in the legal sense. However, XM advertises that they have uncensored channels. On every commercial break they run the following disclaimer: "This is an uncensored channel and may contain explicit language. Channel blocking is available by calling 1-800-XM-RADIO or online at xmradio.com." When they clearly portray certain channels as being uncensored then apply censorship, listeners have a problem with it.
- dan0368, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16This is great news and a way to show XM thats its not just a small group of disgruntled fans who are upset with them. The issue at hand is much larger than the idiotic move to suspend O&A. They never should have been forced to apologize in the first place.
- quietcynic, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12Americans own the market on patriotism, do they?
- 98acura, on 10/11/2007, -8/+18@picturedigger (#6735600)
You listed 8 users that joined yesterday and have dugg all the stories dealing with xm/opie and anthony. It takes more than 8 diggs for something to hit the front page. All of us Opie and Anthony fans are extremely PISSED at XM radio for this *****. We're all getting the word out every way possible. Opie and Anthony fans have appeared on national news shows and articles are starting to pop up everywhere, BECAUSE the ***** storm the fans are causing.
Opie and Anthonyis "Spread the Virus", well we're a viral bunch.
***** XM
***** Censorship
www.peopleagainstcensorship.org - catfud, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14Ive been on digg since 05
and I am digging all of the XM/O&A stories cuz I think its important - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11@Salgat
Free speech, you keep saying that phrase but I do not think it means what you think it means.
As an American, it would behoove you to actually learn the laws of your country and when they do and do not apply. - REL1203, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13Come one... More sponsors need to do this as well... This is great news.... More pressure on XM for this unbelievable thing they have done
- explnx, on 04/27/2009, -4/+11This is definitely a free speech issue, but not a GOVERNMENT free speech issue. The 1st amendment is completely irrelevant. O&A has the right to say whatever they want, but XM does not have the obligation to broadcast it.
- HarmyG, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9@CaptMonkey:
Actually in college I watched a Jerry Springer UNCENSORED video and at one point a woman was upside-down wearing a skirt with no underwear and they put up a black box!!! - hokieaudi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8@BGFeltenink
You seem to be confusing the right to free expression, specifically granted by the 1st Amendment with the "right" to be heard. That this latter "right" exists is a common misconception. Similarly there is no "right to make others give a damn" nor is there a "right to be given a quarter such that a call may be placed to one who does give a damn." Everyone's right to free expression ends when it runs into someone else's. - Miles314, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Haha, that is really freakin funny...and true, which makes it funnier.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10Yeah, censoring O&A was downright ridiculous. XM needs to lighten up and stop takign jokes so siriusly. Compliments to the coffee company.
- colonelDebugger, on 10/11/2007, -8/+14Dear Nashville Coffee,
I am writing to congratulate you on dropping your advertising. If it wasn't for that self righteous press release I would have never even known you existed. - Enfenestrate, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8I like that that this is not just an advertising ploy, but if so it was a very good one
- uptown, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9Never tried your product, but I will now ..... thank you!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7What could make our limited advertising budget go even further? Rake in free publicity by withdrawing the advertising. I'm not criticizing. It's great to see self-interest and a good cause line up.
- elitemrp, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Whats you're point picturedigger?
I'm an O&A fan and when someone posted an article on digg they suggested people digg it so it gets more exposure.. I signed up.
I've visited digg several times since I first heard about it, but now I had a reason to join.
Yes its an organized effort.. its an effort of O&A fans like myself to get people who might not know about this more involved.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. - TheKingInYellow, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6digg should start banning story submissions based on bad grammar and spelling within the titles and descriptions.
- turnthepage, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7"Digg starts pulling accounts because of spelling."
- Fhionnlaoch, on 10/11/2007, -8/+13"I thought the point was that is was commercial-free radio."
They started out by advertising commercial-free radio, but they never gave any guarantees to keep it that way, just like digital cable, which they advertised as being without commercials up here. - rougepanther, on 10/11/2007, -6/+10w0w, a company with balls.... Hell Yeah, let's go get some coffee now!!!!
- 2ktj, on 10/11/2007, -6/+10Let me start off by saying that I think what XM did was a joke, and I'm 100% behind O&A. BUT... If you read what really happened, they didn't get suspended for the rape comments. They got suspended for making fun of management and talking about the fact that management wasn't pleased with the comments. They were told that what they said was wrong, to apologize and not to mention it anymore. They went on and apologized for it, then proceeded to mock their own apology, which pissed XM management off. THEY WEREN'T SUSPENDED UNDER ANY FORM OF CENSORSHIP. They were suspended for insubordination. If you tell your boss to go ***** himself and he fires you, that's not a free speech issue, it's insubordination.
- bonked, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7And as a former subscriber (I've cancelled 4 radios) - I have a right to say I don't like what XM did, and I have every right to encourage others to not support them either.
There - hows that for your argument? - Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I don't care for Imus etc, but seriously... "cencorship"? Jeez.
- nomadxx7, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5@whoever was talking about insubordination
I'd have to agree that is why it played out but they should have never been told to make an apology to begin with. Remember Howard Stern's movie where he calls his boss pig-vomit all the time. Well that would be insubordination also yet Howard wasn't suspended. He was bringing in the ratings for Clearwater. The problem with the insubordination issue is that management told them to apologize and to not make waves... when you tell a shock jock who's JOB it is to SHOCK, you get this. O&A (from what I read) made rape comments and then management not wanting to piss of the FCC or get their merger to fall through told O&A to apologize for their comments. Well when you're on a UNCENSORED station where you can supposedly say what you want and yet get told by your boss to apologize because it was disgusting/mean/whatever then you have crossed the line you have created as a company. XM said "we are uncensored" and people paid them for that kind of service. If you want censored material stay with FM (why in hell would you pay for XM if you wanted censored material?). So XM defrauds their customers by lying about being uncensored and this is the ***** they have to endure. I have no qualms with the statement of insubordination but that came about because O&A were told to apologize for comments they made on a station they thought was uncensored.
Corporations ahve to learn that their paychecks come from their CUSTOMERS and ADVERTISERS. You could have the best product in the world but without customers or advertisers it won't go anywhere. By alienating your customer base, you also make your advertisers skiddish and thus you lose a lot of money. The problem with XM is that they don't have the money to lose if they're looking to form a merger with Sirius. XM thought they could keep everyone happy by justing making O&A apologize and then suspend them for insubordination. Well unfortunately, no matter what side of the discussion you find yourself, what they did was wrong and now they are being force fed it by the people that give them money (the customers and the advertisers).
Down with censorship - BGFeltenink, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7The government provides NO means of free speech. I can not get on any radio (public airwaves) or network television (public airwaves) and say anything I want, I am not allowed. Why? Because so conveniently a corporation owns all the radio and television channels. They don't have to follow the first amendment.
So how do we have free speech then? If all the methods of speaking freely have an industry in front of them, is that not just a backdoor way of censorship?
Next you'll tell me that if I really have something to say then I can always go to my "town square" (as if we even had one) but that is also completely wrong. I've seen many a person trying to get some kind of word out at the local courthouse only to be 'removed' for 'disturbing the peace.'
So its not censorship if a corporation/private entity does it, even on publicly owned airwaves, but the only way to make our causes and opinions known is to go on these corporate/private entity-owned media where we can not make our causes and opinions known because they don't have to follow the same rules as the government. And this is a good thing? - r12ski, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7I am one of those new users. Before I didn't really care about this site or the O&A fan sites but I am so upset at what XM did to its customers that I am doing everything I can to get the word out. The issue is that XM markets this channel as uncensored and then censors its content. Yes our accounts are new, but because we are searching for resources on the "internets" for help.
- ethanpeirce, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5I am glad they pulled their ***** ad. I hate commercials on XM anyways.
- AntBing, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Nashville Coffee......MMMMMMM YUM!
Seriously though, good for them. - elitemrp, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Actually O&A supported Imus and his charity. I myself donated $150. People protested. The charity made the most it has ever made and that was with him not on the air.
So to answer your question, yes. -
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