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- lukeb1222, on 03/27/2009, -4/+46I think this shows just how poorly run GM is. Poorly run companies go out of business. It's what you call 'capitalism.'
- replaysMike, on 03/27/2009, -0/+33I like visual aids.
- tbhurst, on 03/27/2009, -1/+29I love that graphic.
- nerddtvg, on 03/27/2009, -3/+16I enjoy anything that shows a Hummer being destroyed in some way. Plus it was a good graphic.
- CoD4, on 03/27/2009, -1/+13One of the things that always annoyed me is the way they always changed the names of their cars. Honda, toyota, and nissan have always stuck to their names, except a few cars. Everyone knows civic, accord, camry, corolla, maxima & sentra.
The american cars have like 50 different names that don't retain familiarity - neomits, on 03/27/2009, -2/+13I could be making more screwing nuts and bolts on an assembly line?!??! Something is wrong.
- reeds101, on 03/27/2009, -1/+10My dad bought a Toyota truck in the early 90's and it got too dangerous to drive because the body rusted out, it failed inspection for emissions because the exhaust rusted out after two years, and the frame cracked ( we live in New England so the trucks see a lot of snow). Just because there is one fluke with an old truck is no reason to boycott the company now.
- stk198323, on 03/27/2009, -1/+10That's because when they ''Break'' a car image they need to replace it with a new name so people will not associate a car with the crap produced before, exemple:
The Cavalier name was associated with a crappy car so they changed the name to Cobalt. But the 4 door Cobalt got a bad raputation because it was but ugly so they will change the name to Cruze!
I don't really approve of this approach and would like GM to just make it right the first time but things are the way they are!
If you look at other names: Camaro still stands, same for Corvette, Impala, Malibu, etc. that's because those car were good enaugh to not be associated with a pile of *****. - shakabrah, on 03/27/2009, -1/+9I need to go back to college and take a class on how to read these things. Where do I start? Should I read down a column, or across a row?
- drmangrum, on 03/27/2009, -0/+6I don't really agree with the whole quality issue they have listed a couple of times. In the last 10 years I've noticed the quality of import vehicles has slipped and domestic quality has drastically improved. I think the whole idea that imports = better quality has been beaten into the heads of the populace by various advertising campaigns to point where they don't even question it anymore.
I've owned chevies, fords, mazdas, and toyotas. Honestly, I found the ford's to be the most durable and comfortable. - carbonfilament, on 03/27/2009, -0/+6Right.... Cause its the fault of the workers that management has been driving the company into the ground for the last 30 years.
- drmangrum, on 03/27/2009, -0/+5Oh look, someone who didn't do a lick of research. Step out of your group think mentality for just a second and actually look up the vehicles in the latest lineup. They have plenty of vehicles that are in the small and mid-size range.
As for MPG:
The 2009 Chevy Malibu (V6) 19/29 mpg
The 2009 Toyota Camry (V6) 19/28 mpg
Stop listening to the hype and do some damned research. - howdareyou, on 03/27/2009, -0/+5Plenty of other car manufactures are failing without the help of bloated over-imposing unions.
- RLCrisp, on 03/27/2009, -2/+7At $28/hr the average UAW worker is about as overcompensated as the average corporate VP. They should feel lucky to have what they did for so long. Making $60k/yr plus great benefits while using an air tool to tighten nuts on a wheel, talk about a sense of entitlement.
- AdamGorley, on 03/27/2009, -0/+5Oh dear. So this is an issue of personal safety now? Good attitude.
And the logical conclusion is that we should actually ALL drive SUVs, and then to be safe, we'll have to build even BIGGER automobiles to protect ourselves from the regular-size SUVs, and on and on... - jbmcb, on 03/27/2009, -0/+4My friend drove an early 80's suburban in high school in the mid 90's. Same chasis and drivetrain as the Chevy/GMC trucks of the time. His family had already put nearly 100,000 miles on it in through years harsh Calgary winters. He beat the crap out of it for a half decade (it was fun getting the huge thing airborne over curbs) then donated it to a church. It ran another decade before the tranny failed. I think it had nearly 300,000 miles on it with little to no maintenance, other than the regular replacables (brake pads, coolant, a new timing belt, etc...)
- hijstr, on 03/27/2009, -0/+4Don't all graphics contain info?
- daveruiz, on 03/27/2009, -1/+5Geeze stk198323, can you read over your post before you hit reply and walk away for your morning dose of whatever TV tells you to say. These labor laws you hold so near and dear to your heart were in part made with the help of unions. You might want to do some research, and look up the industrial revolution and how ***** life was for people in those times, working long hours, getting ***** for pay, working in conditions that could be dangerous and unhealthy.
While I believe that most unions now are made up of a lot of individuals who have become what they were initially meant to fight, and how corrupted themselves with power (as they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely), they did a lot of good to give workers rights and benefits and so that we now don't suffer like cattle at the hands of our employers. - homerhomer, on 03/27/2009, -7/+11In the eighties my dad bought a GM pickup truck and it broke down right after we purchased it on a week long family vacation. It was sort of a big deal because we were mid-low income family and this was BIG vacation for the year. My parents fought during that week. For the rest of the ownership of this vehicle, The truck would break down and my family would argue about money and the cost of this truck. I really don't think that I will ever buy a GMC product. When I see GMC commercials that act like wrestling it reminds on how the people making decisions at the exec level don't get it or just don't give a F about there products. nope, won't be buying a GMC product anytime soon.
- ripple123, on 03/27/2009, -5/+9that was not a visual guide. that was a bunch of facts overlaid on a picture. there was little need for the visuals to get the point across.
- CrazedLeper, on 03/27/2009, -0/+3Agreed. They're such hypocrites, too. All the while they were profiting, their mantra was "capitalism is the true path" and "survival of the fittest", etc. Now that they are weighed down by their own greed and shortsightedness, they want handouts, bailouts and help. Sorry, greedy American corporations; there is no help in the jungle. Evolve according to your own beliefs or die--according to your own beliefs. Unless you are ready to admit that your beliefs are in error...
- drmangrum, on 03/27/2009, -0/+3Companies have always been in it for the buck. The whole purpose of running a business is to make money.
God damn, you ***** entitlement monkeys need to join to the real world. - carbonfilament, on 03/27/2009, -0/+3*****. if CAFE standards had been raised aggressively over the years GM cars would be competitive over seas.
- stk198323, on 03/27/2009, -2/+5It's called GM!
GMC is one of the sub brand of GM, wheter you buy a GMC Sierra or a Chevrolet Sylverado you will get the same truck (well 95% the same truck).
Also I'm sorry for your parents it's really ***** how GM managed there business during the end of the 70's, the 80's and the 90's. They get better every year now but I can understand why this exemple would keep you from buying a GM product again. - ripple123, on 03/27/2009, -4/+7maybe you need to spend some time in a chinese sweatshop, to gain a fresh perspective on why unions exist.
- chalkboy, on 03/27/2009, -0/+3I hate the safety reason for driving a big car. It is well documented that SUVs are not any safer then passenger cars. I think you should be able to drive what every you want. Just don't use a lousy excuse to drive that car. If you want to drive a big vehicle go ahead but don't try to tell me it is safer.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/menuite ... - portnoy, on 03/27/2009, -3/+6I guess I could say the same about you, sitting on your duff playing fantasy football for $50k/year (or whatever they give you)
- Jektal, on 03/27/2009, -0/+3You do realize that the southern states are still part of the USA, right? That whole civil war didn't end up in a succession.
- stk198323, on 03/27/2009, -1/+4China doesn't have the kind of labor protection laws and agencies we have in America so quite it already!
You know that what you said is ***** *****! There is a lot of companies that doesn't have any union in the US and no ''horror story'' has came out of those. As an exemple, Toyota, Mazda ans Honda plants doesn't have unions! - alanocu, on 03/27/2009, -4/+7I enjoy anything that shows a Hummer destroying a Prius in all ways. Plus it was a good graphic.
- Bohicket, on 03/27/2009, -2/+5Absolutely right RL. Almost anybody can build a car and that is why their wages have to be artificially raised by the UAW. This is coming from a former auto worker for what its worth.
- jbmcb, on 03/27/2009, -0/+3> Two totally different issues and not reflective of Toyota, overall.
Um, NO.
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/provider ...
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/3/ ...
In any case, money given to a foreign-based holding company owned entirely by Toyota, which is pretty much all of them except the Chinese venture, IS a loan to the parent company, as all profits flow back to the parent company from the holding companies through parts sales. - RudeTurnip, on 03/27/2009, -0/+3Their branding is all over the place. First of all, there are too many layers. You have GM, then you have Chevy, Pontiac, GMC and whatever the hell else. They're all the same vehicles made on the same lines...competing against one another.
A car dealer once told my dad that they "slow down the assembly lines" to make sure that the GMC Jimmy is given more attention to build quality than the Chevy Blazer (they're the exact same vehicle). My dad's cousin worked for GM and built them...he said the dealer is full of crap, it's just a matter of sticking a different badge on the outside. - stk198323, on 03/27/2009, -0/+3Wuling is a joint venture that is needed for GM to be allowed to sell there cars in China, it's not another company.
Hummer is already on the chopping block
Saturn is already getting shut down (in 2011)
Pontiac is getting reduced in size and will be sold as special edition Chevrolet cars
GM Daewoo is not sold in NA, only in emerging markets
Holdenl is the equivalent of Chevrolet but in Australia only (and with an accent on RWD car instead of FWD)
Vauxhall is the same as Opel but sold in UK for historic reason, they rarely produce there own car, they juste change the emblem on an Opel car and sometimes the name but it cost almost nothing and the history of the name is enaugh to justify the small expense to have them
That leaves Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, Opel and Saab and that last one is probably getting sold (if there is a buyer for them) or closed down. - stk198323, on 03/27/2009, -1/+4GENERIC motors?
That's about hte last thing you can whine about them! I guess the Toyota Corolla stands out from other cars, I mean it has out of this world shapes, the colors are really imaginative...
The best hing about GM is that there cars has really different design then your average boring Japanese econobox! Whine that they use US citizen money, that you think there reliability is not as good as Japanese manufacturer, that they produce too much gas guzzler or anything but GENERIC motors?
But then again most people bash GM just 'cause it's ''cool'' to do so. - mibi, on 03/27/2009, -0/+3yeah, editorial cartoons should just be bullet lists too. people love bullet lists.
- dazparkour, on 03/27/2009, -1/+4Except the balloons filled with bad things that were lifting other bad things away from the crunch mechanism, and the external bad things underneath the crunch mechanism that weren't doing any crunching.
- Lockean, on 03/27/2009, -0/+3hmmm, I guess bohicket doesn't know what he's talking about. You go ahead and let your family be multiple times more likely to die in an avoidable rollover and overwhelming more likely to die in a vehicle fire than any other type of car on the road. SUVs are not safer by any stretch of the imagination. Read something some time.
http://www.amazon.com/High-Mighty-SUVs-Dangerous-V ... - portnoy, on 03/27/2009, -0/+3I guess some people love their families and their country, some people don't.
- Jektal, on 03/27/2009, -0/+3@Bohicket: What?
Back on subject, how would shifting operations to the Southern US avoid the unions? The UAW isn't a construct of the Michigan state government. - portnoy, on 03/27/2009, -0/+3Strange, when I was in high school in the mid 70's my friends mother bought a new Oldmobile Cutlass and when it was about a month old he was cruising a neighborhood and to annoy an old dude (he kind of had it in for that old dude) Dave dropped into neutral, raced the engine and pulled into drive. The tail end of the transmission exploded all over the road. Oldsmobile replaced the transmission for free, they said it should have handled it. My personal experience with GM has been positive with every problem fixed to satisfaction while under warranty and some even after warranty and some even well after expiration.
- jbmcb, on 03/27/2009, -1/+3> Just ask Toyota,
Not so much:
http://www.myfen.com.au/Article/Toyota-asks-for-ba ...
> none of the foreign competition
Except the one Toyota plant which they share with GM. - Jektal, on 03/27/2009, -0/+2Yeah, but if your friend says they have a Cavalier, you pretty much know what they have. If another friend says they have a Civic, you have no idea even what category of car it is without knowing year and/or model.
- inactive, on 03/27/2009, -2/+4I enjoy anything that shows any type of "image" vehicle being destroyed.
- stk198323, on 03/27/2009, -0/+2@Jektal
I drive only GM cars and most of my friend are the same but all of us knows a civic is the equivalent of a cobalt at Honda. - Jektal, on 03/27/2009, -0/+2Start at the hummer, work out.
- Jektal, on 03/27/2009, -0/+2Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, GM Daewoo, Holden, Hummer, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Vauxhall and Wuling ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors )
- stk198323, on 03/27/2009, -0/+2@reeds101:
When your friend telslyou he drives a Honda Civic 1989 and you go check out the new model at Honda it's still called the Civic so you know it's the same car but a newer model.
When your friend tells you he drives a 2004 Cavalier and you go to Chevrolet and now they talk about a Cobalt and a Cruze for next year you just say:
- WTF, I asked for a Cavalier!
- Sorry we don't do that anymore
- Oh well I will go somewhere else then - carbonfilament, on 03/27/2009, -0/+2GM could have taken the initiative and built better cars, but they've always resisted any change. A company that doesn't change fails, and we should let it. Bailing out GM is a mistake. Let them fail, and better companies that are focused on building a good product that people want will be born from the ashes.
And all of you screaming about UAW need to think about it for a minute. I'm not saying the situation is not a part of the problem, but you can not blame the failure of GM on the workers. Its the colossal lack of leadership for years that takes the real blame. - bodycounter, on 03/27/2009, -0/+2Perfect. I'm writing a paper about this for my Business class. This will be very useful.
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