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- novenator, on 02/19/2009, -2/+35FTA: "...a planned 500MW solar thermal power plant at Fort Irwin"
This is excellent news. Anyone who has been in that area knows they get 300+ days of sunshine a year. Thank you economic stimulus package for helping to make our military green! - treehugger87, on 02/19/2009, -1/+16The Navy has been very forward thinking with renewable technology. It makes sense to expand these ideas throughout our entire military.
- KimmyGibbler, on 02/20/2009, -5/+14The French and British submarines got rid of their ULF sonar and look what happened to them
- Swivelstick, on 02/20/2009, -0/+9Turn off the light and see what color they glow?
- lettruthout, on 02/20/2009, -2/+11Just think how much good those billions of military dollars could do if they instead where put directly into sustainable energy development. Then again, if we didn't have to fight resource wars then we wouldn't need the military so much.
Hmm... - inactive, on 02/19/2009, -0/+8It's near/in death valley.
- JoeParanoid, on 02/19/2009, -10/+18They can start by eliminating the ULF sonar that is killing marine mammals.
- Ethek, on 02/20/2009, -1/+9Does anyone know what a primary bear market trend indicator is. It happened yesterday. That means that the most likely greening this money will induce is when an entire economy grounds to a halt inside of 3 weeks. No food, water, service from municipalities. Nothing. Dark houses and uban ghettos. An entire system built on credit will come to a very abrupt and violently harsh end. The goverment will have spent its last ounce of 'credit' on do-goodisms like this with no practicality and little if any misplaced productive value.
If you want to look at the plus side the people to come out on the other side will be the the ones that can grow a garden. Everyone else will have to find scraps or starve. Your entire life savings and wealth was decided for you with this bill. Its a harsh life of servitude because in effect, it will be to paying off this countries obscene debt to foreign interests. That is if you have not taken very specific steps to inform yourself and prepare.
"The beginning of the end" Barak Obama on signing the stimulus
taken out of context.. and he meant well. But do-goodism is the road to serfdom. - inactive, on 02/20/2009, -0/+7If it wasn't for the French, the US wouldn't be a country.
Funny how people forget about recent history. - Nintendesert, on 02/20/2009, -0/+6They don't. We tried.
- Nauree, on 02/20/2009, -1/+7I'm sorry that I don't want to live in a future dump. I'll be sure to crap everywhere and make everything as dirty as possible.
/s - Gndoab, on 02/20/2009, -0/+6"now when we bomb foreign countries, you can take solace in the fact that the bombs, jets, and missles used are all carbon neutral!"
- inactive, on 02/20/2009, -0/+6James Blunt on Top Gear: "We're just trying to make war a little bit safer"
- inactive, on 02/20/2009, -2/+8Greening the military... So we're going to spend billions of dollars on a machine designed to reign down super-efficient death and destruction less damaging to the planet... seems a bit ironic.
- RiMac, on 02/20/2009, -1/+6The military should be last in line for greening. Seriously, our defense should not be compromised by greening. I'm all for greening, but there are so many other things that need to be made eco-friendly in front of the military.
- StripeyMagee, on 02/19/2009, -3/+8Are DU shells green or no?
- Digger1123, on 02/20/2009, -1/+6The military is also far bigger than any private polluter. The military is based on vehicles that have heavy weaponry, and with vehicles comes pollutants.
- inactive, on 02/20/2009, -1/+5You are both right-wing nuts. If you knew anything, you'd have known that we already spent our last ounce of credit on Nancy Pelosi's Private plane (and carbon credits) to Italy and back.
Our President already solved this problem, by printing more money. We are way rich again.
Seriously, what does it say, when the President of the United States, visits Canada and instead of them bowing to him. They rip him a new ***** for his failure to understand that the worst thing a leader can do to his country is print money it doesn't have so it can give itself a loan it won't be able to pay back. - Bobthecow81, on 02/20/2009, -3/+7Drop a bag of potting soil and a sapling after every JDAM to fill the hole? Do terrorists count as a "green" fertilizer?
- neo991lb, on 02/20/2009, -0/+4Step 1: Don't buy body armor.
Step 2: Research "green" military technologies.
Step 3: Realize that tanks, missle warheads, and napalm aren't exactly eco-friendly.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit! - TheTaoOfBill, on 02/20/2009, -5/+9This is excellent news! This translates directly to jobs and new an improved technology that will influence the private sector for years to come.
- ancientshoes, on 02/20/2009, -1/+5this is the stupidest most asinine thing ever...to try to "green" the military. are you freaking kidding me? is our money better spent trying to chase science fiction so some scientists can get more research money than creating a job that enables a family to live a decent life?
because, you know, making sure a bullet shell is biodegradable is so much more important than allowing an opportunity at life. - insanebrain, on 02/20/2009, -1/+5Even more money to the military. Real change. ..
- acudoc, on 02/20/2009, -0/+4You are absolutely correct!
In the United States, before we get to the stage of blood in the streets, we need to strike at the heart of the dragon, the Federal Reserve System instituted in 1913 by an Act of Congress---unconstitutionally of course! By Constitutional Amendment then, forgo debt-based money for a new type of currency, an absolutely fixed quantity of the American Freedom Note, having inherently increasing purchasing power, a new money that is backed 100% by ALL the physical assets presently encumbered by loans, i.e. assets that have been used as collateral for loaning money into existence in the fractional-reserve banking institutions of the Federal Reserve System. ALL debt contracts, cash, checking account deposits are exchanged for the new American Freedom Note. Creditors forgo liens in exchange for a full cashing out in American Freedom Notes of the principal or the nominal value of debt contracts. Debtors assume 100% ownership of previously encumbered assets, which include productive assets such as factories and farms. Loans are made solely from a FIXED quantity of American Freedom Notes, with interest determined solely by market forces and not by government intervention or price fixing by a cartel of banks. Fractional-reserve lending is prohibited. A natural deflation will ensue with increasing purchasing power of the currency. - inactive, on 02/20/2009, -0/+3You want to explain to us the environmental impacts of DU?
I majored in Environmental Science, and I've studied DU rounds, you should probably do the same before you make another mindless comment that makes us liberals look bad. - ChromaVita, on 02/20/2009, -0/+3I think he just misunderstood what novenator was saying. He probably thought 300+ days where the sun comes up. It doesn't make him any less dumb, but still.
- an10ae, on 02/20/2009, -2/+5Right. Greening. Right.
Is that what they're calling it these days? - handheldchimp, on 02/20/2009, -1/+4@IWillBuryYou
Calling you a dumbass would be extremely generous... - inactive, on 02/20/2009, -1/+4Why green?...When chaki is much more sexy!
- Nauree, on 02/20/2009, -0/+3he forgot his sarcasm end tag.
- xGBox, on 02/20/2009, -0/+3For the record, Twentynine Palms is the largest base we have in the Marine Corps, spanning about 55 miles of land, and up to 60% of its energy comes from the solar panels and windmills they have installed on base. During winter time, this can go up to 95% (However, those who have been there will understand that this isn't all that impressive)
Of course, you guys are aware that "greening" something is a sort of long-term investment, right? If you expect instant profit/results after construction of solar panels, windmills, etc. then you are very mistaken. - Ebacherville, on 02/20/2009, -0/+3the us military is the largest consumer of fuel in the world.. yeah greening.. whatever
if they wanted to really invest in green and make some jobs, they should have sent $1000 worth of solar panels to every american so they could lower there electrical use and build a bunck of solar panel manufacturing plants.. that would 1 reduce costs for americans, saved a crapload of electricity, power the grid, and created a crapload of jobs making the solar cells installing them and wiring them into the grid..
300 million people times 400 watt solar cells a piece.. 120 trillion watts of electricity of power in cells across america.. generation power about 8 hours a day.. that would make a huge diffrence. probably cut energy bills by about a 1/4 to a 1/3 , cuts green house gasses from electric plants, and give every one a taste for free power from the sun to get them thinking about going fully powered by the sun, all for well under 800 billion!
But I dont agree with any bailout or welfare so i say dont do any of it - aletoledo, on 02/20/2009, -0/+3They might not be fertilizers, but they'll be happy to know they were killed with green technology in the most carbon neutral fashion.
- meghalc, on 02/20/2009, -0/+3What I wanna know is how many rich people are becoming more richer. This is more of a stimulus for the rich and not the needy.
- ChromaVita, on 02/20/2009, -0/+3It'll be nice to have a little bit of military industrial complex working towards alternative technologies.
- BossKey, on 02/20/2009, -1/+4You're right. Our defense should not be compromised by greening, it should be enhanced. If they do it right, they will be enhanced.
If you have two armies in battle, all else being equal, the one whose energy resources last longer because of more efficient equipment and more locally available energy sources (solar etc) will win. The degree to which the US Armed Forces can reduce the sheer amount of fuel to be hauled around behind the Army will reduce the burden on our supply chain and be a logistical advantage to our forces. The army with fewer soldiers exposed to hazardous materials and conditions will win. Green wins. - opticwind, on 02/20/2009, -0/+3Wait...giving more money to the DoD...can be a good thing?
- inactive, on 02/20/2009, -1/+4Plus, some of the most brilliant scientists and engineers in the world works for the US military, if we want some progress in this, it will probably be them that will make it happen.
- dieboldcracy, on 02/20/2009, -1/+4Greening....................the military..............................that says.....SO much about these times
- Corrosionx, on 02/20/2009, -0/+3The military pollutes more than 10 of the country's biggest private polluter combined.
- LAMinator, on 02/20/2009, -0/+2I like ponies.
- TooMuchPizza, on 02/20/2009, -2/+4Pretty sure itrollu was being sarcastic...
That just might be part of the socialist agenda though! - Akairenn, on 02/20/2009, -1/+3But how would we spread imperialism and Pax Americana then?
'side, you dream if you think such a change would ever happen under the Big O.
Meh, I'm reminded of Dune suddenly. We just had eight years of the beast Rabban; it's Feyd Rautha's turn now.
Meet the new boss. He's Sting dressed up as a black guy. That's awesome. - opticwind, on 02/20/2009, -0/+2I see what you mean, Boss, but from what little I do know, it's never a two-army-in-battle system anymore. I feel like your analogy simplifies many issues that would be applicable here...
For example:
1. Other countries aiding an enemy.
2. The US military is unrivaled in sheer force of power but war has become about finesse. Bombing the ***** out of Iraq and Afghanistan did not take long...rebuilding them will. And the rebuilding is a part of this war.
3. The soldiers we are fighting are not a group of soldiers trained under a leader who works for a centralized system. We are fighting a scattered group.
4. Which hazardous materials would you be talking about? Gas to supply a plane? Has there ever been an incident of that transported fuel costing a soldier's life?
I'm not trying to tear you down, I really hope you reply because you had some good points. - NodOfficer, on 02/20/2009, -0/+2Ditch the planes and bombs; get a machete:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/in_the_know_ ... - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 02/20/2009, -0/+2Is lead green?
- inactive, on 02/20/2009, -0/+2Troll much? Well being a republican and all, I'm not surprised that you're too dumb and uneducated to have a valid argument for anything other than criticizing trivial things diggers do.
- inactive, on 02/20/2009, -1/+3I'm not even being a douche about this one. But, I feel obligated to point out that existing military contractors are not new jobs.
- inactive, on 02/20/2009, -0/+2Doesn't the base also generate it's non-green power on it's own too?
- inactive, on 02/20/2009, -0/+2Negative Diggs for telling the truth? Do you think the government just happened to build a plane that looks just like a Boeing 747, or do you understand that Boeing built Air Force 1?
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