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- Blinker1315, on 03/01/2009, -1/+21The Marlins should've move years ago, when the economy was better. It's a disgrace that a team like the Marlins, that, despite a very low payroll and constant turnover of roster, still contends almost every year, and almost no one is there to see them play.
- KingBroseph, on 03/01/2009, -0/+20I would hate to see the A's go. Too much history there to let them go.
- rikuansem13, on 03/01/2009, -0/+11Ouch. The sad thing is that most of your income depends on where your team is located. The New York Knicks, no matter how much they suck, are worth the most (583 Mill) in the entire league. There's obviously a huger market in a city with a HUGE population.
- gleongelpi, on 03/01/2009, -0/+10Why would anybody want to build a stadium on the site of the Orange Bowl? How stupid can one get!!!
Unlike many might believe, the Greater Miami Area is small market because the locals have no money. That is a poor town. Poor people who love base-ball watch it on TV or listen to the radio. Non-Latinos there prefer Foot-Ball. The large older population do not spend their dollars at ball games.
He would be adviced to move his team north of Miami to Ft. Lauderdale, and pay for it out of his own pocket. The people in that part of the country are not eager to spend tax payer dollars on private enterprise. - BrandonJM, on 03/01/2009, -1/+11What kills me is that Miami is a huge market (America's fourth or fifth largest city), so the talk of being in a "small market" or having to compete dollar for dollar with the Yankees is utter *****.
I can't speak for Oakland, but the way the "small market" teams squander their money is the real problem here, and the ESPN Yankee haters love to play into this pitiful story about millionaires fighting (and allegedly) losing against bigger millionaires.
It has nothing to do with population or size of the market, it's about basic business practices, marketing, and finding new ways to compete when the others fail, instead of trying the same old sob story about not having a quality stadium. - mpobri, on 03/01/2009, -0/+10scratches head while wondering how you used a basketball team as a reference and the word huger.
- AJRiddle, on 03/01/2009, -0/+9Miami metropolitan population: 5.4 million
Jacksonville metro: 1.3 million
Jacksonville may be the biggest city but its market is nowhere near as big as the Marlins current hometown - inactive, on 03/01/2009, -0/+8maybe if the stadium was not located 1 hr away in a crummy neighborhood in a rural part of sofla i would see them more often.
- endustry, on 03/01/2009, -2/+9San Jose Athletics
- duggdowncatisad, on 03/01/2009, -0/+7http://www.theonion.com/content/node/50814
- KibblesnBitts, on 03/01/2009, -1/+7I never understood why Jacksonville would never let other teams aside from the Jaguars to come to their city. It's the largest city in Florida, and people seem to forget that.
Carolina teams also exist, baseball market never ventured there.
Nashville? I mean come on, these are real cities and can have a baseball market - BigKopp, on 03/01/2009, -0/+6The A's don't. The plan (until it was cancelled last week) was for the A's new stadium to be about 70% privately financed, with the other 30% covered by selling the surrounding area to businesses and people looking to build houses. If you want a team that keeps begging for money, look at the Yankees, who've received over $900 million in tax-exempt public bonds to finance their new stadium. Then last summer they begged for $340 million more of public money, to finance a parking structure, which they've be able to use rent and tax free. That's over $1.2 billion in public money, with the rest essentially being financed by the other owners in the league (through a huge loophole in revenue sharing in the CBA). They're getting a brand new stadium essentially free. THERE'S your problem.
- BigKopp, on 03/01/2009, -0/+6I know I may be a bit biased here, but I think the idea of getting rid of the A's is rediculous. There are teams like Kansas City and Pittsburg that are consistantly in the bottom five of the league in attendance and record. Now, I don't think that should necessarily be the reason they should be done away with, it's the attitudes of both owners, who have exclusive rights to radio, television, and advertising deals, and still don't spend the money to make the team attractive to fans that should have some degree of influence.
I hear a lot of people talk about how the A's are bad for baseball because they are small market, and that it's their fault for not spending money etc etc... Problem is, they've had their hand tied behind their backs by the Giants since the mid 70s. The Giants own 90% of the advertising rights in the Bay Area, all the way down to San Jose. It's gotten so bad that the A's had to move their primary radio and TV stations to Sacramento to get a financially solvent deal. It's insane that baseball allows it, because the Giants don't even advertise that far from San Francisco, they just don't want anyone else to be able to. If there is going to be a serious consideration to contracting the A's, baseball needs to take a serious looks at the stupid advertising deals they've allowed the Giants to get into that basically make it impossible for the A's to market themselves anywhere but Oakland, and up north in Sacramento, while the Giants essentially "squat" on the other Bay Area cities and prevent the A's from marketing there. I just think it's rediculous that the A's are even mentioned in the article because even without all of the money, they are the third winningest team of the past decade.
- warbrain, on 03/01/2009, -0/+5And the Jaguars have difficulties filling that stadium...even after covering up the upper deck with baggies.
Jacksonville just doesn't give a *****. - ABip13, on 03/01/2009, -1/+6Why not get rid of Kansas City and Pittsburgh? Just move some AAA team to their nice stadiums. Attendance won't change.
- santiago1, on 03/01/2009, -0/+5 How about when they were the Kansas City A's? Or how about the Philadelphia A's? Connie Mack? The origination of the white elephant?
SO much history.... gone in a flash.... - mikebb79, on 03/01/2009, -0/+5It would suck pretty hard if the A's left. I aint paying those high ass prices for Giants tix.
- inactive, on 03/01/2009, -0/+5so you are saying that in sports, the biggest factor is Location Location Location?
What a shocker. - TheTusch, on 03/01/2009, -1/+5By population Miami is 43rd in the country with 409,719. Coming is just behind Virgina Beach and Omaha, Nebraska.
The metro population is 7th in the country though, with about 5.4 million.
But really the summer in Miami there is a hell of a lot more to do than say Cleveland, Detroit, or St. Louis. Thats why nobody makes it out to Marlins' games even wen they win a World Series. - firstyear7d, on 03/01/2009, -0/+4who are the Sounders?
- BigKopp, on 03/01/2009, -0/+4The Giants have had almost exclusive advertising rights in the Bay Area since the 70's. The A's don't really squander their money, they actually have good advertising practices, the problem is that they have to advertise all the way up North in Sacramento. If Selig would ever get his head out of his ass and see how stupid the advertising deals are in the Bay, the A's wouldn't even have a problem.
- SmooveO, on 03/01/2009, -0/+4so much history in oakland.. from the championship teams in the 70's to mcgwire/canseco/stewart/larussa in the 80's and 90's. sad.
- inactive, on 03/01/2009, -1/+5contends almost every year? Aside from the anomalies where they wn the championship, they are often 4th or 5th (out of 5) at least 12 games back.
- jinif, on 03/02/2009, -0/+4The other owners could change that though, especially if it meant avoiding contraction
- Ewfah, on 03/01/2009, -0/+4Take the article with a grain of salt. Bill Madden is one of the worst sportswriters in the country.
- stubear, on 03/01/2009, -0/+4The Brooklyn Dodgers are in LA, they weren't contracted. Contraction eliminates the team altogether. With the A's this is a really day event because there is SO much history surrounding this team. They were one of the original American League teams when they were on Philadelphia.
- GregFD3S, on 03/01/2009, -0/+3That's really sad. I hate it when baseball teams threaten to move, but I also understand that they have to do what's best for the franchise.
- AJRiddle, on 03/01/2009, -0/+3Hey ***** you, I'm a Royals fan.
:-( I'm sad. - inactive, on 03/01/2009, -0/+3we love baseball in miami but the stadium is so ***** out of the way that you have to take the whole day off just to watch a game
- twiztidsinz, on 03/01/2009, -0/+3Roidball
- ThePastafarian, on 03/01/2009, -2/+5Or, a salary cap.
- glenathon, on 03/01/2009, -0/+3As a long time Marlins fan (yes...we do exist) I'd almost rather them disband then put us through this roller coaster any longer. This stadium talk has been going on for too long.
Plus...most of the fans come from Palm Beach County anyway. Why they're thinking of moving the stadium even further down south is beyond me. The Orange Bowl is difficult for anyone to get to and they're going to lose they're fans from counties up north. This makes no sense to me. - warbrain, on 03/01/2009, -0/+3Salary cap. They could easily have additional teams to cover markets they aren't.
- alamedaman, on 03/01/2009, -2/+5the A's have been around since Philadelphia and Connie Mack. It would make more sense to contract some new teams like the Rays, D-backs, etc.
- Spoomeister, on 03/02/2009, -1/+4If you're going to contract:
1. find a way to have the management of the Marlins take over the management of the Nationals
2. same of the As do the same for the Royals
3. give the Nats and Royals first crack at the top 10 former players from each contracted team, the rest (major and minor league) become free agents
4. move the Royals back to the AL West
5. reduce the season back to 152 games and reintroduce more double-headers, so we can avoid snow days in spring and a world series that goes to halloween and beyond - firstyear7d, on 03/01/2009, -0/+3bring this guy back to save the franchise:
http://dailysportscard.com/content/1986-donruss-jo ... - brainboy7777, on 03/01/2009, -0/+2come on man, people don't use steroids anymore. there's ***** drug testing for that ***** right now. i hate it when people bring up past follies and make it seem like it is the standard for today.
- username7410, on 03/01/2009, -0/+2Professional sports are getting ridiculous with their stadiums: "Wolff spent $80 million, of which $24 million was non-refundable, exploring construction of a shopping center in Fremont with a 37,000-seat stadium for the A's as the central drawing point." ...shame a ballpark needs to part of a ***** shopping center to be able to make money. What a joke. I was a huge sports fan until the Sonics left Seattle for OKC. The Key Arena was an amazing place to watch a basketball game, but that counted for squat. What mattered was there wasn't any room for shops and not enough room for suites. ***** professional sports.
- jecsupastar, on 03/01/2009, -2/+4It is a much-agreed upon point of economists that the net economic impact of sporting events is nil. Stadiums do about as much for local economic development.
If the A's and Marlins need subsidies to turn a profit, they should not exist. It is revolting to see billionaires asking the government for free money. - Red1000, on 03/02/2009, -0/+2If they have plenty of fans, why have they been last or next to last in attendance in the league for the last 5 years? And while they have been getting better the last couple years, they need to have something to show for it. They haven't even been in the playoffs in over 20 years.
- ceralon, on 03/02/2009, -0/+2They shoulda put them in Pompano or the stadium in fort lauderdale.
Agreeing with you pap232323, I hate driving an hour after work to see them. - partrow, on 03/02/2009, -0/+2One hates to see contraction looms with the Goners and the Marlins.
What will happen next? - camilos007, on 03/02/2009, -0/+2Jeffrey Loria is a scum bag. Miami residents should not give this con artist a penny. Its a good thing that miami city officials are asking for amendments to the deal. Even if this douche bag gets the stadium, he will not hesitate to sell and move team. He's the scum of the earth.
- gleongelpi, on 03/02/2009, -0/+1Exactly. The new stadium should be moved north. Somewhere north of Opa-Locka. Maybe near Plantation or even Weston. But certainly somewhere west of Hollywood or Ft. Lauderdale, near I-75 or I-95.
It should be easily accessible to all people from the Palm Beach area all the way down to the upper keys. - inactive, on 03/02/2009, -1/+2Good, dump the Marlins. I hate expansion teams.
- xjeffx, on 06/22/2009, -0/+1Will they be at the orgy?
- xjeffx, on 06/22/2009, -0/+1If you go back far enough, every team is an expansion team.
- gleongelpi, on 03/02/2009, -1/+2In 1927, the year that Ruth hit 60 HRs, the US population was less than 1/3 what it is today, and there were sixteen teams.
In 1902, the population of the USA was about 1/4 what it is today, and there were sixteen teams.
In those days, blacks had their own league, and in 1915 there were 24 teams.
By historical standards, talent has never been as concentrated as it is today. A third of all players come from outside the United States when once upon a time only a handful did.
Base-ball doesn't need to contract. It needs to expand. There should be teams in Latin America and Japan, and maybe even other places, that are part of the major leagues circuit.
There should be more than 100 teams, and cities like New York should have 4 or 5. Let local rivalries develop. Sort of like in college. -
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