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- Crossmenjeff, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10i'm glad you condone cheating. whatever form it has taken.
- h2g242, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6The Clear was made from the same stuff as the nontoxic antifreeze...
::runs to pep boys"" - karthickdoss, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6This is disgusting. Really.
- iPirate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6That's the same logic that the "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about" crowd uses when discussing wiretaps.
- skippy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5The worst part of "the steroid era" in baseball is that it took an act of Congress to get drug testing.
- sloppychris, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5This is so non-news. OK, maybe the Sheffield thing hasn't been proven. But we have known for awhile now that Bonds took steroids. It's proven. He did it. What hasn't been proven is that he *knew* what the cream and the clear were when he did take them. "Bonds testified that he had received and used clear and cream substances from his personal strength trainer, Greg Anderson"
Here's the source: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL - PasteEater, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4"BALCO chemist says Bonds, Sheffield took performance drug 'the clear'"
Which, they've already admitted. Years ago.
Yes, it matters. But we already knew this. - jbzd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5zomg i'm shocked and appalled!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Frankly, pitching and hitting used to be much weaker. Granted, parks were bigger, the mound was higher, and hitters were less juiced, but it's true. In the 1950s you had maybe one ace on a staff who pitched over 90mph. Everyone went up there and tried to put the ball in play, meaning there were few 10-pitch at bats. Nowadays pitchers are told they have to throw balls on 0-2, 1-2 and even 2-2 counts... to be safe and try to get the guy to chase a pitch he can't hit.
But what it really is, is that every guy now has to throw at 90mph+ regularly, unless he's an established control pitcher. So pitchers are throwing so much harder today... you really can't ask them to give over 120 pitches even if they're incredibly durable. If you look back in baseball history, pretty much anyone with a high strikeout total (the hard throwers) in the early days of overworked pitchers, these guys blew their arms out after a few seasons. But pitchers having to throw so hard now is why pitchers don't pitch as many innings now... if you told Whitey Ford to throw 100 pitches as hard as he possibly could, he'd be taking his shower by the 7th inning most nights just like most pitchers of today.
Personally, I think they should raise the mound as much as it takes to keep pitching fair. But people love them home runs so that probably won't ever happen. Me, I go to the ballpark hoping to see a pitcher's duel or better yet a no-hitter. - sloppychris, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The person who profits from it the most will take the brunt of the flack.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It just surprises me how today's pitchers no longer pitch complete games. Sandy Koufax, Cy Young etc were all used to pitching 8-9 innings each and every single time, so maybe they played with more spunk back then? Back in my college days as a baseball player we'd always have sneaky ***** trying to get us to try out their latest line of products and even though they were cheap or free we would feel guilty by not going with just a good and healthy diet/workout. But in the game of baseball a good work out is more onthe field
- adrenaline33, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2There are random tests all the time and Bonds isn't excluded from these. Are u saying he should go back in time 2-5 years and get tested in the past? He doesn't REFUSE to testing currently, as there is a very strict MLB testing in place now.
- garyh84, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2There's a drug test that can test 'the clear"? I thought the reason why professionals took the stuff was so they didn't test positive.
- Cerebral, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Regardless of what you say... circumstantial evidence is not PROOF. It's not the same as believing that OJ didn't do it. Not to mention that even if he did, did he in fact know that this substance was illegal at the time he took it? That is also what will have to be proved.
***** they could have sold him this stuff as a new replacement for "ICYHOT" that would help your muscles relax more after you have worked out, you just apply it before working out :)
I just get annoyed because people are only complaining because he is about to pass the home run record. He has done an unthinkable task. Nobody was complaining when we had the home run race between Maguire and Sosa back in the day and people only started questioning things when Bonds single handedly smashed the records set that year. Baseball was loving all of the publicity they got when Maguire and Sosa were smashing HRs and since they turned a "blind eye" to it then, now they have an "oh *****" moment now that Bonds is about to do the unthinkable and they are trying to stop it. They need to embrace Bonds for his abilities, shut the book on this thing, clean drugs out of the game and get ready when A-Rod comes close to beating Bond's record... and Pujoles after that.
Hell all they ever had to do is expand the strike zone to what we learned it was as kids: knees to armpits. Calling strikes in those zones and you would see a completely different game where we go back to no games having scores over 5 or so. Also you would see more complete games.
Hell... Sosa used a corked bat during a game, got caught, said he "grabbed the wrong bat by mistake that it was for batting practice" and everyone just laughed it off!!!! - pjmccull, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I guess it'd be unfair to pass judgement on Bonds. . . I mean, EVERYONE was jacked up on something or other at some point in their careers. Look at guys like McGuire, Clemens, Sosa. . . the list goes on.
All that having been said, however-- GOD, Bonds is such an *****. I guess that's what makes him intolerable-- the fact that he's such a douche. - kushed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1but it has electrolites
- sloppychris, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"Bonds testified that he had received and used clear and cream substances"
Huh? This is from the link? Why is this not sinking in? - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Lindsey Lohan has huge ***** now that's news
- in2deep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1This is getting ridiculous...I'm sick of hearing about steroids...if the took them then find out...if not leave him alone...he's the best to play the game either way because others were taking steroids too and couldn't do what he did!
- PasteEater, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Are you ***** stupid? Steroids are *dangerous*. What kind of example would steroid use at a professional level set for teenagers (kids) who are aspiring professional athletes? I'll tell you: they would start taking steroids.
Not to mention the fact that records were set before the advent of performance enhancing drugs. The records (and the players who achieved them) should be respected and honored.
As for your conspiracy theory: try again. Steroids would create a nightmarish long-term health problem if the masses ever started using them. - srodolff, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No. The worst part is that no one is going to stop Barry Bonds from getting the home run record. BASEBALL HAS NO GUTS!!!!!!!
- SirFoxx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Stop believing the propaganda you've been taught and start researching for yourself. You'll be very surprised at just how safe steroids are.
- howski, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No she doesn't. Not news.
- khiz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I think they should make a whole new segment of sports that is devoted to athletes who use steroids just to see what the human body is capable of. These idiots using steroids are doing it to themselves. Let's face it, if baseball or any other sports commission were not interested in seeing how far someone using steroids would go then they would have stopped it a long time ago. Professional Baseball is not about fairness. It is about breaking records and statistics.
- walkingdogs, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1EVERY SINGLE professional athlete takes drugs. Whether its cortisone shots to deal with pain or anti inflammatory medication, some type of supplement when working out, or amphetamines, or god knows what else. It has been done as long as pro sports have existed. They have to. They have to do what they have to do to live up to the expectations put on them by their owners and earn their overinflated salary. But this story is not news. Bonds and Sheffield have openly admitted to taking "the clear" but apparently weren't aware of the chemical makeup of the substance and that they were actually steroids. Now I'm in no way condoning or buying what they did, but if they were misled by shady pharmaceutical makers, then I have no need to implicate them in this scandal. And when it comes to baseball they did this to give you the fans what you want, Home Runs. The average fan was not enjoying seeing low scoring defensive pitching duels, they wanted lots of runs and long balls and now that we found out how so many players achieved these abilities we want to cry foul. Hypocrites. If it is such a problem with fans why does attendance go up every year in MLB, why does every game Bonds plays in get sold out, why does everyone boo Bonds but cheer when he hits his next home run. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
- magsolutionz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Agreed ... also Bonds more than any other player had a drastic change to his physical appearance over time.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-bondspic,0,6320373.photogallery?coll=ny-baseball-headlines&index=2
So drastic that it could not be done just by lifting weights. Not to mention that Bonds has been a completely unlikable ***** his entire career. Mcgwire and Sosa should have gotten as much flack as Bonds, but they were likable, media savy players. - hellokutty, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0It's what Bonds craves
- Ty1erDurd3n, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I hate Barry Bonds as much as anyone. He's a selfish prick, but even if he breaks the homerun record its only going to be a few seasons before someone catches up to him. Arod is on track to hit more homeruns than him barring some major injury, and howard is showing hes not a one season fluke. It would be nice to see Bonds in court tho
- AQUANETA, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2bonds taks drugs!
- stubear, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Everyone's moved onto HGH for which there is no real easy test. However, Bonds took what they called designer steriods which are designed to avoid current testing. Also remember that the sham MLB calls drug testing only started a couple years ago and it took quite a bit of effort to get even this past the Player's Union.
- spinchange, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Im for leveing the playingfield (pun not intended) Lets have the best athletes science can give us!
- sodomizer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Patrick Arnold is a genius chemist. His creations allow us to see the greatest achievements of human athletic potential. We should allow professional athletes to demonstrate the possibilities of human ability instead of restricting them by whatever rules Congress wants to impose on them.
Given the relative safety of steroids compared to harmful legal drugs like cigarettes and alcohol, either there is a conspiracy of ignorance or one of deliberate propaganda to keep the masses away from their physical potential. What would the government have to fear from a strong, healthy population? - adrenaline33, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3I'm not saying he was right to have taken steroids, as it does set a bad example, but I hate how Barry Bonds gets so much ***** for it just because of his amazing accomplishments. Its been reported that 50% of MLB players were juicing before all the controversy started, and this was a survey of the players. Amphetamines and other nasty things have been taken by players for 30 some odd years. Human Growth Hormone, which is a very expensive supplement that will probably be taken by every adult human in 30 or 40 years, is still very common in the MLB due to it being basically untraceable. I'm not condoning what Bonds did a few years back, but he should get the same amount of ridicule as every other player who has been linked to steroids.
- cobaltblue12345, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1This reply is a perfect example of why this story is news. Contrary to what sloppychris said, Bonds and his supporters still deny that he ever took steroids despite the very large amount of circumstantial evidence. A lot of dumbass sports fans have convinced themselves that Bonds didn't do it just like they convinced themselves that Pete Rose didn't bet on baseball. Eventually they're all going to get burned by Bonds just like they got burned by Rose.
- fino35, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1It's just a game. Do you really feel cheated because some guy takes steroids.
- stubear, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Mark McGuire may NEVER make it into the hall of fame because of his admitted use of Androstene, a precursor hormone, and what many believe to be his use of other actual steroids which led to his record breaking home-run year. Even so, two wrongs don't make a right. It is not unfair to pass judgment on Bonds if MLB does a thorough job of eliminating steroids and HGH use from the League. So far the Player's Union is doing everything they can to allow the environment for this kind of abuse to continue. I just hope they aren't so short-sighted that they invite Congressional oversight into their legal monopoly status and ruin baseball for the rest of us fans.
- nedzeve, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2What is this proof you have that you haven't shared with the rest of the world? Circumstantial evidence is not proof.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -11/+9http://www.beyondchron.org/news/nucleus/plugins/print/print.php?itemid=4686
Before we all go referring to the good ole' days when sports were free from chemical enhancements, take a look at the above article. "Willie Mays always kept a bottle of “red juice,” a liquid amphetamine, and players in the 60s, 70s, and 80s used “greenies.” Diet pills, laxatives, and a plethora of tonics have all been used for decades."
Not to mention segregation (limiting the talent pool), less travel, fewer relief pitchers, which all balanced out the playing-field then versus now. - closetosomet, on 10/10/2007, -5/+2mmmmm giants fan
/dugg down comment - Mako640, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1How is he condoning cheating?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1If he was innocent he would be all over himself taking drug tests to show that hes in the clear. But of course hes not, So he refuses to take any testing. The best he can hope for is to always have the question in the air. That way at least he will still have a few die hard fans that believe him and others that know hes cheating, but cant prove it.
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