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- Diderotten, on 06/05/2008, -2/+40Another amazing eco-car I can't afford. Awesome.
- inactive, on 06/04/2008, -3/+31If this thing is real it's going to turn some heads...
- niccha, on 06/05/2008, -5/+28@ AzzidReign
The car doesn't actually need a hydrogen refueling station. That's part of what makes it so controversial. These types of hydrogen hybrid systems work on the premise that they split water into its component parts from an on-board water tank through electrolysis. The resulting oxygen and hydrogen gases are then injected in small parts into the fuel intake of the engine to, in theory, provide more complete and efficient combustion and better mileage. look at http://gas2.org/2008/05/29/save-gas-without-losing ...
for a more in depth analysis of hydrogen hybrid systems as well as some good commentary on the controversy. - B08ama, on 06/05/2008, -1/+19I wish that it looked ***** so that I could buy it.
- funkdr, on 06/05/2008, -1/+17wow - that's no compact/sedan!
- Gustomucho, on 06/05/2008, -0/+14"As of right now, it’s only a test car and some of the quotes from Ronn executives suggest they haven’t actually installed a hydrogen generator into the vehicle yet."
.... Publicity stun? - wheresjim, on 06/05/2008, -1/+14Very exciting, except they havent even tested the Hydrogen Hybrid part yet, how can they say it works, much less claim production by fall? This is bunk.
- Brian48216, on 06/05/2008, -2/+13Hydrogen is actually safer then gasoline in collisions. If you did manage to breach the storage tank, yes the hydrogen does escape, but since it's lighter then air, it dissipates into the atmosphere very quickly- unlike gasoline which will pool, and the vapors linger in the area.
- ICSU, on 06/05/2008, -0/+8You need to start somehow.
- jmf866, on 06/05/2008, -1/+940mpg of what? Hydrogen? At what pressure?
- inactive, on 06/05/2008, -0/+8Hydrogen hybrids do not require hydrogen refueling.
- Berkana, on 06/05/2008, -4/+12Hydrogen power doesn't make sense, whether for combustion, or for fuel cells. I'm not saying this to detract from green technology, but as far as I see, the hype around hydrogen has been pushed by the oil companies because hydrogen is currently stripped off of hydrocarbons more affordably than it can be electrolyzed out of water.
The case against the hydrogen economy is spelled out here: http://www.physorg.com/news85074285.html
The flow chart on top says it all.
As Ulf Bosselman put it, the future is not about the hydrogen economy, but about the electron economy. - doctechnical, on 06/05/2008, -1/+8If I'm reading the Ronn page correctly, this is BS. He's got a normal gas engine and is using power from the alternator to provide the current for electrolysis. Unfortunately the laws of thermodynamics have not been repealed, and the added drag on the gas engine will use more power than will be generated by burning the hydrogen.
- Blckecho3, on 06/05/2008, -1/+8Cars nowadays are like Jesus....They run on water!
Waka Waka - wes00mertes, on 06/05/2008, -0/+7Ronn Motors is up 118% today...
- AzzidReign, on 06/05/2008, -6/+13And who is going to drive this when there are no hydrogen fueling stations in 99.9% of the world?
Congress really needs to push more for this for these types of "green cars" to actually become marketable. - shortyjacobs, on 06/05/2008, -3/+9Yeah, so in other words, it's *****!
If you are using electricity to split water so you can burn it again, you might as well just use that electricity to power an electric engine.....much more efficient. - BESTenemy, on 06/05/2008, -0/+6Exactly. In addition, by mass, it requires 8:1 as much water as gasoline to produce the same amount of energy. In other words, to have the combustion engine drive the car as far on hydrogen as on gasoline, it would take 8 tanks of water for every 1 tank of gas (that is if the water did not add any weight to the car). In reality, the added weight will further reduce the efficiency of the system.
This is a scam, but unlike with perpetual motion mechanisms that run on water, it's not as obvious to most observers.
Hydrogen is not an energy source, it's a carrier and a very inefficient one due to our inability to easily produce, store and transport it. The hype surrounding hydrogen cars is manifesting out of desperation in a search for non-existent substitute for oil. - digjam, on 06/05/2008, -1/+7Well , FTHS from Toyota is even cooler... Its 400 hp ,, 0-60 4s and I believe it gives the same 40mpg too...
http://www.toyota.com/concept-vehicles/fths.html - doctechnical, on 06/05/2008, -0/+6In other words,. hydrogen is more of a battery than an actual fuel.
- Drkgodess, on 06/05/2008, -0/+6They used to say the same thing about gas-fueled vehicles in the early 1900s. The infrastructure will only be built once there is a demand for it. Give it time,but in this case the egg has to come before the chicken.
- mikhial66, on 06/05/2008, -3/+9His website, http://www.ronnmotors.com looks like a 5th grader got a hold of Front Page. If you can make a car like that, I think you could make at least an impressive website. Compare it to a real company like Bugatti.
- cdawzrd, on 06/05/2008, -1/+7If it's a HHO system, it uses water, which it runs through an electrolysis system to turn into hydrogen and oxygen gases.
- doctechnical, on 06/05/2008, -0/+5Let me put it this way: if you can figure out a way to crack the hydrogen from water with less than or an equal amount of energt than you get from burning the resulting H2, I'll notify the Nobel Price committee.
- inactive, on 06/05/2008, -1/+6So it will need water for the hydrogen portion. Can we make it an Ethanol hydrogen hybrid, so we can wast corn AND use more water?
- inactive, on 06/05/2008, -5/+10Dugg for the fact that it's a nice-looking car.
- bstory, on 06/04/2008, -7/+12Nice looking car but I doubt that the hydrogen component will be in production by fall 2008 - I mean have you heard of any government tests yet? Seen any little mushroom clouds developing over any car safety testing facilities yet?
Don't get me wrong I hope the release comes in the fall of 2008 but I haven't heard of any breakthroughs in fuel storage during crashes. - doctechnical, on 06/05/2008, -0/+5FTA: "As of right now, it’s only a test car and some of the quotes from Ronn executives suggest they haven’t actually installed a hydrogen generator into the vehicle yet."
Well, that's rather a non-starter, isn't it. Wake me when they get that last little kink worked out, until then this is nothing worth noting. - arlok789, on 06/05/2008, -2/+6Powerful Desire to hump shiny car...
- blizzard360, on 06/05/2008, -1/+5FINALLY! any ideas about tentative costs?
- diggB, on 06/05/2008, -0/+4Video clip of the unveiling in Austin TX, June 3.
http://www.kvue.com/news/local/stories/060308kvueS ...
Now for an apology ... this low-quality footage (and the only one I could find) is from a local Austin station and requires you to watch a short ad at the beginning on bunion removal. - chamberlanderic, on 06/05/2008, -0/+440mpg ???? my 1998 hyundai elantra do that !!!!
- Cryptkeeper, on 06/05/2008, -0/+4It is a HOD (Hydrogen on demand) system.
hydrogen is generated from a body of water, water s not combustable, so only when the hydrogen is extracted, is it combustable. the amount in circulation at any time is very small. Hardly enough for an explosion. - inactive, on 06/05/2008, -0/+4This car seems to be different then the rest of the hydrogen cars since it doesn't need the refueling station, but in general Hydrogen cars just don't make sense. The timetables are all wrong, it's more expensive, less efficient, the amount of money that has to be spent to set up a refueling station infrastructure is ridiculous. It's just a way for the auto industry to ween people off one expensive fuel to another.
If more cars are designed like this one, as opposed to the more traditional hydrogen mockups, then sweet, but I'm still on the Electric car bandwagon until then. The technology is there, it's been there since the EV-1. The auto and oil industry buried that though, and seem to be perpetuating myths that the battery technology isn't available, when it was available and being used in a wonderfully designed car. - brbubba, on 06/05/2008, -1/+5In addition the company supplying the tech is using a crappy computer case to house the components and is claiming you only need to refill the water supply every 3-4000 miles. So how much hydrogen is this system actually using??? Also there's a little known concept known as hydrogen embrittlement, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_embrittlemen ... Imagine your engine block suddenly cracking due to weakened metal. I've emailed the company supplying the technology to see what they say about this, will let you guys know what they say.
- zyl0x, on 06/05/2008, -2/+6But of course it will cost $50,000 thus negating any kind of fuel savings.
- inactive, on 06/05/2008, -0/+3Congress is never going to push this. NONE of their pet groups will get rich from this, so it will never happen. Why exactly do you think they all fell in love with ethanol a couple years ago? Ever heard of ADM or Monsanto?
- gryphonauto, on 06/05/2008, -1/+4Hydrogen is generated on the car, and no it's not nuclear.
- RustyJ, on 06/05/2008, -5/+8Is "reply" that hard to click on?
- Terrk, on 06/05/2008, -2/+5That is the best damn looking hybrid ever.
- terencec, on 06/05/2008, -1/+4I like, how much?
- Ghoztt, on 06/05/2008, -3/+6http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/
Why are we getting excited about a regression in technology? - Cryptkeeper, on 06/05/2008, -0/+3it costs 150 000$
- cornfedbiff, on 06/05/2008, -0/+3...and why do they have a picture of an 08' Chevy Camaro in the bottom right corner of their page?
- kprooney, on 06/05/2008, -2/+5when I first heard about hydrogen powered cars I was too young to drive; now 7 years later I can finally buy one!
- gipperp, on 06/05/2008, -0/+3Hydrogen is an energy sink. This car is therefore not "eco-friendly", as is the case for all cars. This global problem will not be solved by people trying to fulfil their apparent need to drive a car - we need to focus on developing new methods of transport, not trying to fix an ultimately broken machine.
Most of the comments here seem to prove to me that people aren't yet willing to accept this. - dalittle, on 06/05/2008, -1/+4The good thing about hydrogen (or electricity for that matter) is that it allows for an energy proxy. That is, you don't pump oil out of the ground, refine it, and put it in your car. You can use what ever energy source you have to create hydrogen (or electricity) and then have low impact by the car on the environment when it uses the hydrogen. What makes that good is that as new energy sources come available, you can just change what is powering your hydrogen or electricity plant. You go from many small pollution sources (cars) to a few large pollution sources that you can upgrade easier and manage better.
- wes00mertes, on 06/05/2008, -1/+4You can't afford one.
- cornfedbiff, on 06/05/2008, -3/+6I call *****. Why does the company's website have a picture of an 08' Chevy Camaro in the bottom right corner? The images of the car are CGI. And the technology is not that great. It's a scam. Why are people getting excited about a 40mpg (miles per gallon of "GAS") hybrid (electric or hydrogen as a secondary fuel source) when the 1984 Nissan/Datsun Sentra diesel model got 70+ miles per gallon. It's a way for oil companies to continue to sell a ***** load of gas while giving consumers the delusion of a more efficient car.
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