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- MiddleAmerica, on 01/11/2009, -1/+21
It doesn't sound like Buckwyld or radsdigger read the entire article.
This is clearly better than the Toyota in a couple dozen ways & being a couple to five grand cheaper too is going to hurt the Toyota sales, as they pointed out, taking away maybe half of their sales.
And the ipod comparison is not a good comparison for a bunch of reasons.
Honda has the right formula for right now, everyone will have to play catch-up, which they will in a year or two.
But, in the next few years we'll see most manufacturers going after this green market more seriously.
- uselessexpert, on 01/12/2009, -0/+14Honda has a cult following like Apple. Usually what Honda puts in the market, sells.
Honda makes a great product. Good built quality, and I can bet that at the beginning the Insight will take off and eventually will give the Prius a run for its money. - tinkafoo, on 01/12/2009, -2/+14COMPETE, DAMMIT. COMPETE!
We seriously need a ***** more of that in the hybrid car market. - dn11, on 01/11/2009, -1/+10Looks like a cross between a Civic and Prius. The original Insight still gets better mileage than the Prius BTW.
- franklymister, on 01/12/2009, -3/+11The Honda Civic was rated at 57mpg back in 1987. Datsun's B210 got 50mpg all the way back in 1978. That's with regular old gasoline powered engines, even carbureted.
How is it that we are in 2009, and companies are still claiming that 40-45mpg is anything other than dismal? - publishcron, on 01/11/2009, -2/+10I've been very happy with my Honda (07 Fit) and will take a long look at this car when it's available. Honda has done an excellent job of making a functional vehicles at a reasonable price point.
- MiddleAmerica, on 01/11/2009, -1/+8
Ford plans to sell electric car by 2011
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/business/62 ...
Detroit Goes for Electric Cars, but Will Drivers?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11elect ...
Chrysler pins hopes on electric cars
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la- ...
And this is just from today's news..
- andyb747, on 01/12/2009, -1/+8It's the year 2009. We should be flying in cars not driving. what a rip off.
- azurechaos, on 01/12/2009, -0/+6Yeah, but did you read that when they used the car's suggested driving methods, they managed 65 mpg?
- inactive, on 01/12/2009, -1/+6They should have re-used the FCX Clarity body for this car, better lines and cooler looking IMO
- drgreenberg, on 01/12/2009, -0/+5Hydrogen vehicles are electric vehicles. Instead of recharging a battery locally, however, the associated electrochemistry happens at a hydrogen production plant. In one case, you have to transport electricity to the home via the grid. In the other, you need to transport the hydrogen. But the original energy source is the same (except perhaps in the short term where naturally occuring hydrogen may be a component of the supply chain, not requiring electricity in some form to produce).
- iamnotcreative, on 01/12/2009, -0/+4Unfortunately it is for the United States. Many people I talk to think that an overall MPG of 25 is fantastic and is a big improvement over what they used to drive / drive now, which pretty much shows how easy it was for the Big 3 to push trucks and SUVs on the populace.
- caled, on 01/12/2009, -4/+8Seriously, 43mpg is considered economical and environmentally friendly?
That and the dash looks like a Transformers' face. - ShnowDoggie, on 01/12/2009, -0/+4And the Insight can get 65 mpg. EPA says the overall is around 43. The overall EPA mpg (revised version) for your car is going to be a lot less. That being said some drivers will get much better mpg than others. And the corolla is not a bad car.
- Wildthing, on 01/12/2009, -0/+4I had the same concern too, but then I remembered that gasoline also burns.
- bigtrouble777, on 01/12/2009, -0/+4I have the smaller 2 seater insight that this car is based on. I have to say, the technology works and it's reliable. My insight has 160k miles on it and only has to have my cvt replaced at 130k (which honda paid for most of). My lifetime mileage is 55mpg, but I live in a cold region so winter really kills my mpg's.
These cars are not prius knock offs, although the body is a little too similar. It also seems the car has a hyper mileage mode which is amazing for highway efficiency. I think the reason it's not reflected in the epa estimates is because you have to drive a certain way to get the car to work in that mode. The 5 speed insight 2 seater has a nox burning mode that does the same thing. - kg37, on 01/12/2009, -0/+4Could it look any more like the Prius? At least it's better looking than the new Acuras.
- StrawberryFrog, on 01/12/2009, -1/+5What's more, Honda will still be in business this time next year!
- JQP123, on 01/12/2009, -0/+4"According to the info I'm seeing it's 26/31mpg and over $10,000 ($13,110 to be precise)."
You're not looking at the 1.8L hatchback. The base model sedan has a 1.6 liter engine and is rated at 26/34 with MSRP under $10K
http://autos.yahoo.com/nissan_versa_sedan/ - rz8472, on 01/12/2009, -1/+5A little known that that - although it seems clear that both manufacturers produce cars that are superior in quality and efficiency to those of Detroit, the average gas mileage of the entire Honda fleet is actually slightly higher than that of Toyota.
- legendxx, on 01/12/2009, -0/+4care to elaborate?
- FutureGuy, on 01/12/2009, -0/+3All said and done plug in hybrids (the stuff Detroit is working on) is the only near term way to run your car most of the time without burning gas. I really hope they get it off the ground.
- anyone4apint, on 01/12/2009, -1/+4I'll wait for the Type R version...
- Scottamus, on 01/12/2009, -0/+3http://fueleconomydb.com/index.php?-action=list&am ...
http://fueleconomydb.com/index.php?-action=list&am ... - ideaash, on 01/12/2009, -0/+3I so wish Honda would come out with a plug in Hybrid. A serial Hybrid like GM's Volt.
- inactive, on 01/12/2009, -0/+3"Oil Masters", god thats the dumbest ***** argument for why we dont have magical electric cars with 4 trillion mile ranges that recharge with your own piss.
You think GM or Ford or any car company ever gave a ***** about what Exxon wanted? They could give a ***** what their cars run on, they sell cars not oil. The reason we dont have full on electric cars is because the tech is simply not there yet. If GM could make an awesome electric car, they would have years ago.
And no, the EV1 isnt it. The only reason it sold is because it had a massive subsidy from CA. It died when that subsidy did. - franklymister, on 01/12/2009, -0/+3Actually, you're wrong.
"If the old CRX HF were tested using today's rules, its highway fuel economy would drop to 51 mpg, according to the EPA's calculations. That's still much better than any mass-market car sold today, including hybrid cars." -CNN
http://money.cnn.com/2007/12/17/autos/honda_civic_ ... - Richandler, on 01/12/2009, -2/+5At least it looks better than the Prius. Toyota makes some ugly cars.
On another not having just driven I-5 I realize why electric cars might not catch on. Thousands of people drive that route everyday. Electric cars cannot make that trip. - Buckwyld, on 01/11/2009, -6/+9Looks like they slapped an H the front of a Toyota and called it new. Inside is slightly different from what I remember though.
- r00fus, on 01/12/2009, -0/+3Pros and Cons between the Prius and Insight:
1) Insight is smaller, lighter, and apparently more responsive and handles slightly better.
2) Prius has way more room, has a larger engine (ie, more electric power) and battery.
The really sad part is that the original Honda Insight (rip: 2005) had better gas mileage than the Prius.
I have a kid (and maybe a 2nd in the future) and the Prius is great for couples with 1-2 kids. How does the Insight work for that scenario?
Looks like yes, the Insight may take a few sales from Toyota, but as long as the Prius still has the MPG crown, and has more room, power and juice, I don't see the Insight making too many inroads into the Prius market.
I'm still waiting for Toyota to bring a hybrid minivan to the US. I would probably be interested in trading up (one of my Prii) at that point. - sanriver12, on 01/12/2009, -1/+4It's not a cult when people buy it cause they are quality products.
It's a cult when people buy overpriced stuff cause it's shiny and made by apple - blix01, on 01/12/2009, -1/+4small penis?
- Barbarino, on 01/12/2009, -0/+3The 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid is the best imho..
- chronopublish, on 01/12/2009, -0/+3We will NEVER drive Hydrogen cars. They cost a FORTUNE to make and require an obscene amount of energy to strip the hydrogen from water in the first place. Battery electric vehicles are far more efficient and don't require building 20,000 new fueling stations to make them work.
- TheSpook, on 01/12/2009, -0/+3Yes! I think a diesel CC would be great too. I love my Jetta TDI.
- EtherGnat, on 01/12/2009, -0/+3Not only that but today's cars are larger, heavier, and more powerful than cars of yesteryear. A lot of that is by choice, others are regulated by safety and environmental requirements.
- thefox84, on 01/12/2009, -1/+4Waiting for the diesel VW Passat, because I enjoy driving a car not an appliance...
- protodon, on 01/12/2009, -2/+5Hybrids are so 2007. All electric is the way to go.
- wolfing, on 01/12/2009, -0/+3is it only me that thinks of the Hindenburg when thinking about hydrogen vehicles?
- RandoTheKing, on 01/12/2009, -0/+2Looks sweet, but insurance prices on Honda's are ridiculous.
- brinewr, on 01/14/2009, -0/+2Geez! Ya couldn't do better than THAT, Honda? It's akin to Windows copying everything Mac and sticking a Windows logo on it.
Get some balls, ya pansy! - chronopublish, on 01/14/2009, -0/+2My inference was based on the fact that MANY people still believe that electric cars can only go 40-50 miles on a charge, which would in fact be too short a range to make any kind of trip on the I-5 since you wouldn't dare go more than 20 miles from home.
The idea that electric cars "can't catch on" because SOME people need a car that can regularly make very long trips is silly. There's a market for cars like this because MANY people don't need that kind of range - myself included. From where I live, I could drive a Tesla to San Diego, Los Angeles, or Newport Beach and still have more than enough charge to return home. And I'd be spending plenty of time on I-5.
Early adopters of electric cars will be people who don't need them for long road trips. Later, as better batteries and a fast charging infrastructure is in place, they will become more widespread. - ericcc, on 01/13/2009, -0/+2Wasn't the original insight a 2-seater? I've been in a Prius w/ four other people, it was fine as a people mover.
- EnderMB, on 01/12/2009, -0/+2Note the date of that presentation (one that I find trouble believing as it's not actually from Apec). Now, watch this (if possible, find the entire episode where the Tesla was tested).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52L-nQ-LTew - splorpdotorg, on 01/13/2009, -0/+2@fandyllic
FTFA:
During a day behind the wheel last month, we managed an impressive 42.4 mpg without even trying. When we pushed the Econ Mode button and used Eco Assist to mind our hypermiling P's and Q's, the Insight returned an amazing 65.6 mpg. That's on par with the best figures we've seen from the Prius. - EtherGnat, on 01/13/2009, -0/+2My bad, and a digg up for catching the error. That trim didn't show for some reason when I compared the two vehicles. I think my comments about interior space and comparable features still apply, though.
- dancurranjr, on 01/12/2009, -0/+2Hey you little mathemagicians! The EPA changed the way they rate MPG in 2008: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/
So my 2000 insight that was rated at 70mpg is now rated at 61mpg
take a look: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorSelectEng ...
Point is, you cant say "My 1993 Ford Turd got 50 mpg" the numbers have changed . . . - EtherGnat, on 01/13/2009, -0/+2@EnderMB
You're missing the point. Where does this magical clean hydrogen that you speak of come from? The fact is it takes a LOT of energy to separate hydrogen, and the process of converting it back to electricity is highly inefficient as well. Hydrogen is just a way of transporting energy; not particularly different from a battery.
Sure, you can use renewable energy to create hydrogen, but you can use that same energy to power a car more efficiently. - EtherGnat, on 01/13/2009, -0/+2@EnderMB
I spent seven minutes watching your video, but it fails to address at all the inefficiency of separating, transporting, storage, and conversion back to electricity of hydrogen. As such it doesn't really have anything to do with my point above.
Yes, hydrogen has advantages over battery driven electrics. Namely quicker refueling (assuming we spend hundreds of billions creating infrastructure for hydrogen refueling stations) and longer range. Personally I believe the shortcomings of electric vehicles will be solved long before the shortcomings of hydrogen vehicles, and there are many stepping stones with battery electrics to ease the transition.
It's possible my numbers above could be incorrect, but nobody disputes that hydrogen vehicles are significantly more inefficient than more traditional electric vehicles. I would encourage you to do your own research. - IKORKYI, on 01/12/2009, -0/+2i guess that's what it tells you
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