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- TheEngineer2008, on 04/09/2009, -0/+45I hope they'll bring 'em over.
- Robjayne, on 04/09/2009, -0/+24Seconded!
- Sean42, on 04/10/2009, -0/+17For all the non-believers, I had no problem starting my 2002 Jetta TDI in below 0 weather in Pittsburgh this winter. Run the glow plugs for about 20 seconds, and it starts right up.
If you have problems with your diesel gelling, they make additives for that.
Oh yeah, and I get between 42 and 48 mpg on the highway.
It is time to start cutting the funds going to the middle east, and fuel efficient cars are a great place to start. - computershack, on 04/10/2009, -0/+13"Yeah lets see how these work in a Chicago winter with sub 0 temps."
Perfectly fine. We have no problems in Europe - producers simply switch over to a winter mix in October. - MarkusX, on 04/10/2009, -0/+12Diesel cars are great. I drove some in Germany and, contrary to what many people in the U.S. believe, they are really running smooth and don't ride in any way like a truck. The diesel cars slowly seem coming here to the U.S., now only the diesel needs to become cheaper so the fuel economy pays off, like it does in Europe.
- computershack, on 04/10/2009, -0/+12Because we know how to build engines, we can get more power out of 4 cylinders, whether petrol or diesel, than you can out of 8 and the engines run just as long.
- chanop, on 04/10/2009, -0/+11Isn't VW bringing the TDI models over also?
- inactive, on 04/10/2009, -2/+12Get real, we're totally gonna need more than 4 of them.
- akchrs, on 04/09/2009, -0/+9I think Brazil has a 3 cylinder Toyota diesel pickup. I'd get one.
- 3dogmaile, on 04/10/2009, -1/+9VW has diesel already in US - I've had a Jetta TDI since July 2007 and LOVE IT!
Audi will have the A4 out in diesel next year and VW is releasing a few more body styles. - dusanmal, on 04/10/2009, -0/+8But watch for their example from late 1990's. They imported 1997 VW Passat TDI (diesel) wagon. Sold every single one by the end of January of 1997 (I know I searched every single USA VW dealer for it in 2/1997). Most sold well over invoice.
What do you think happened with 1998 model? Discontinued for USA..
Why? "Car enthusiasts" (ex. car magazines,....) complained that it was underpowered. So VW didn't believe their own sale numbers but the out of touch reviewers who at the time wanted bigger/more HP SUVs instead. - gjokkel, on 04/10/2009, -0/+8In the Scandinavian countries diesel is quite popular. They even run diesel cars on ethanol. (Google it)
Nobody has problems with the temperature. - bigbill780, on 04/10/2009, -1/+7I cant wait. I love diesel and have been waiting for BMW and Merc to bring them over. Hopefully VW gets that hybrid diesel project off the ground too.
- commentposted, on 04/10/2009, -0/+6It's about time!
- MaxxusFlamus, on 04/10/2009, -0/+6If you burn 1kg of Diesel vs 1kg of Gasoline, yes Diesel produces more pollutant.
But Diesel has a higher energy density than Gasoline. That same kg of Diesel produces more energy and will move you further than that 1kg of Gasoline.
So per mile driven, Diesel produces LESS pollutants. - altgeeky1, on 04/10/2009, -0/+6>Yeah lets see how these work in a Chicago winter with sub 0 temps
FYI - Germany is a LOT colder than Chicago. So is Russia.
Diesel got a bad rep in the US because most of them were made by late 1970's DETROIT.
Guess what? Everything Detroit made then was a *****.
Diesel is considered "dirty" to Americans, but that perception comes from the lax emission standards on busses and trucks are permitted.. and cars are not.
The resistance to diesel in the US is based on ignorance and fear of change. Go diesel, and pretty soon we'll all be learning METRIC... and our CHILDREN will be taught that it's OK to be left-handed. Get your gun Annie. - Y0tsuya, on 04/10/2009, -0/+6Americans love low-end torque and diesel engines offer gobs of that. Bolt on a turbo and you'd have to pry it from their cold-dead hands.
- strydr, on 04/10/2009, -0/+5I have a 98 Jetta TDI (5 speed) and I love it. Bought it because I was tired of spending $200 a week for gas in my truck. Went from 14MPG to 43MPG. It's a beater, but it runs great, will get easily 500K miles before having major problems, and has a ROI that is beyond great.
I welcome any diesel offerings. It's a great alternative to gas, not to mention I can make my own fuel if it ever gets too expensive.
Yes, I want a manual trans too. - MacEnvy, on 04/10/2009, -0/+5The Jetta BlueTDI models, yeah.
- southwestnut, on 04/10/2009, -0/+5good. We have 2 300sd's running on vegetable oil. 1985 5000 pound car that still gets 30 miles per gallon with 320,000 miles on the engine.
Bring em back!!!! viva the 190 and 240d's - smacksaw, on 04/10/2009, -1/+6Would Americans accept it?
Yes, because they get it now. They accept hybrids like the Camry or even the Lexus RX which could have had a larger engine, but forgo it in lieu of a smaller engine and something like an electric system to boost the power. So MB has a two-stage turbo? If it bumps the power up to that of a larger engine, haven't we already proven that in some circumstances we will accept it?
Toyota is for the average consumer, Lexus is not. An electric motor and a turbocharger are not the same thing technically, but technically people don't really care unless they are gearheads.
I would buy it/that engine. You obviously don't want a 2.5L in an S-class or a GL/ML because the 3.0L would be better. Too small an engine won't motivate the vehicle, worsening economy because the driver will push it harder. I think it would be fine in the E-class, but much better in the A/B/C-class. - altgeeky1, on 04/10/2009, -0/+5>diesel is cleaner ?
Yes, if you compare diesel cars against gas cars and you measure emissions per mile.
Now if you're talking about industrial vehicles, they ARE dirty but it's because the law allows vehicles that size to run dirty. They could burn clean, but do not. - anexanhume, on 04/10/2009, -1/+6I'm sure I'll be repeating someone here, but the problem with diesel in the US is that it's taxed too much.
Ford makes a diesel car in Europe that does 50+ mpg. Why don't they bring it here? Because it won't sell. The cost of diesel means it won't gain traction, and they couldn't sustain the numbers needed to justify moving engine production here. Eliminate the cost gap and you'll see more diesels sold here.
Also, in the next decade we'll start seeing engines with hybrid gasoline/diesel engine concepts that get much better fuel economy. - HepnYoung, on 04/10/2009, -0/+5if it gets too cold I just plug my diesel in. Gotta love that block heater. Engine stays warm and I have instant heat in the AM...
- inactive, on 04/10/2009, -1/+6I just want a hilux in the states
- rolf, on 04/10/2009, -0/+4Any modern diesel does fine in cold with diesel fuel. If you use vegetable oil, it will start solidifying in cold weather.
I believe diesel is higher in taxes accounting for cost differences. Mack Trucks do around 200x more damage to a road than the typical sedan. Diesel is associated with Macks.
Enough gas stations have diesel. On the highways, if they cater to Truck drivers. Or use the internet to look in your local area. - edwarddouglas, on 04/10/2009, -0/+4Besides better mileage diesel engines far outlast gasoline. Seen a few Mercedes from the 80's with over 500,000 on the odometer.
- Dumbledorito, on 04/10/2009, -0/+4So as a non-diesel user, what was it that made the cost of diesel go up in the past few years? I seem to recall it being cheaper than gas, most of the time, yet harder to find (leading to jokes about fuel economy being sacrificed for the long drive to a station that carried the stuff).
And as someone in a region that gets cold weather, how does diesel do in sub-zero temps? Is on-street parking in December just asking for your fuel line to freeze, or is there some kind of gadgetry that cars come with these days to prevent that kind of thing? - D3L3T3D, on 04/10/2009, -0/+4you fight that power brah
- muzzy, on 04/10/2009, -0/+4@Xihix
Clearly you underestimate the driving quality of a 4 cylinder diesel...
The torque is going to make it pull off the line faster than most of the big heavy gasoline V-6 and V-8s.
I can't expect everyone to be able to understand the difference between acceleration and top speed though... complex stuff :\ - noboot, on 04/10/2009, -1/+5We need more disels in the US. With the bad economy I doubt many manufacture are moving quickly on this. THe american public is pretty stupid as well, and probably have misconceptions about diesels.
Hopefully the price remains ~ equal to that of gasoline. - Smokeydabear, on 04/10/2009, -0/+4My buddy in college had a little four banger Voltswagon that was diesel. That car would get about forty to the gallon and was great.
- alvarezg, on 04/10/2009, -0/+3Interested only if it has classic manual gearbox.
Diesel is not cleaner, but cleaning up industrial emissions instead would be more cost-effective. - paulmer2003, on 04/10/2009, -1/+4You're an idiot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetec#Process
I guess science is just a bunch of lies too eh? - metalgodz, on 04/10/2009, -0/+3Deltronik is correct regarding the (R+M)/2 versus R numbers for octane rating as well as the fact that diesel fuel does not typically have its octane rating listed (it's normally around 15-25). The important rating for diesel fuel is instead cetane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetane_number).
- jj2me, on 04/10/2009, -1/+4OK, funny.
But the hyphen with a number before it is called a unit modifier. So misreading or misunderstanding the rules of English... not that funny. - moose26, on 04/10/2009, -0/+3Many of the new diesel cars require the newer low sulfur diesel fuel. I think they can run on the older stuff.. but it may be the other way around. Older cars can run the newer fuel. Regardless,.. the newer diesels are indeed much cleaner burning by leaps and bounds. Carbon reports put them with and better than many gasoline burning cars, but this is mainly from what I have read... due to alot of advancements done in the European market.
Diesel is a great temporary measure to help us reduce our dependance on oil while alternative fuel choices for cars continues to advance. - nicc, on 04/10/2009, -0/+3my previous car, 2005 Passat, required premium gas. I currently drive a 2009 Jetta TDI.
guess which car has the cheaper fuel price?
I live in the east side of Richmond, VA and diesel is cheaper than mid-grade! - gjokkel, on 04/10/2009, -0/+3The huge torque of the diesel engine compensates the four cylinders.
- slyzxx, on 04/10/2009, -1/+4diesel is cleaner ?
- kellyut, on 04/10/2009, -0/+3Go diesel! Diesel technology is far cleaner than it was years ago. I own a 2005 Jeep Liberty CRD (common rail diesel) that Jeep introduced in the US market for 2 or 3 years before they got rid of them. It's an excellent little rig. Got 32.5 mpg on the freeway coming back from Portland the other day. This is in an SUV people! My old Accord barely warely got that! And with the technology out now, fuel mileage could/should pass that, especially in these 4 cylinders. And the fact that diesel is more expensive isn't relevant. If you calculate mpg in diesel vs. similar size engine in gas, vs. what you're paying at the pump, diesel is still cheaper. And diesel engines are 300,000 + mile engines!
- elmuerte17, on 04/10/2009, -0/+3Funny story... guess what kind of vehicles are used in the oil patch here, where they're often working in -50C temps? If you guessed diesel, you're absolutely correct! They work excellent all year 'round, as long as you plug them in when it's lower than -20 or so. Don't go talking out your ass without doing the tiniest bit of research.
- Projektorboy, on 04/10/2009, -0/+3"More Expensive Per Gallon" isn't that relevant of an argument when you consider the gains that diesel gives.
Lets have Man A with Car A that runs on Gasoline. Lets say he has a nice subcompact that gets 30mpg Gasoline.
Lets have Man B with Car B that runs on Diesel. Lets say he has a similar subcompact, but it gets 42mpg with Diesel.
Using some round numbers here, be patient.
Man A fills up Car A with 10 gallons of gasoline at $2.10 per gallon. He's paying $21.00 and gets to go 300 miles.
Man B fills up Car B with 10 gallons of diesel at $2.45 per gallon. He's paying $24.50 and gets to go 420 miles.
Man A would have to fill his car with another $8.40 worth of gasoline (bringing his total to $29.40) to equal Man B.
How is this difficult math for everyone?
- Bmarofsky, on 04/10/2009, -0/+3Cost?
- elmuerte17, on 04/10/2009, -0/+2Diesels do just fine in cold weather, long as you plug them in below -20 or so. And around here at least, I can get diesel for about 15cents/litre cheaper than gasoline...
- zydeco, on 04/10/2009, -0/+2I'll second that. I rented a diesel B-class in Germany and it was a great ride. Didn't even know I was driving a diesel until it was time to fill it up. 40 mpg on average using the 7-gear trans. That was a lifesaver on the autobahn.
- bunk3rk1ng, on 04/10/2009, -0/+2Rented one of those in Thailand. It was pretty nice.
- lAciDl, on 04/10/2009, -0/+2agreed, it must have the option for manual gearbox and not stupid flappy paddles.
- metalgodz, on 04/10/2009, -0/+2My commute is 100+ mi/day (couldn't afford to buy a place I liked closer to work), and my driveway is 300' long and 90' vertical change, and is unpaved (don't have the money to fix it). I would gladly buy a vehicle that would handle the driveway and the commute while getting 35+ mpg combined, and not crushing like a tin can if I get into an accident.
They're available in some places in Asia (diesel Subaru, diesel Isuzu i280/dMax pickup) - but they're just not available in the US. So yes, I'll comment...and I'll stop when there's an acceptable solution. - jayhawk, on 04/10/2009, -0/+2last year on a trip to Europe, I bought a Renault Grand Scenic 7 seater that was diesel (manual transmission) and we got tremendous mileage and the ride was nice as our cars back here in the states that we own. i was on a wait list for a VW Jetta station wagon diesel, but they send out an email when they come in and it's first come, first serve. i missed out on a few and finally bought something else because they weren't using a true waiting list.
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