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- Samohtneas, on 07/10/2009, -0/+23Very insightful, Kate. You have proven your knowledge of automobile performance here on Digg.
Thanks again! - Andrewbot, on 07/10/2009, -1/+23Please don't let the G8 die. Please don't let the G8 die. Sport sedans for ~$30,000 = win.
- yocouchdigga, on 07/10/2009, -1/+22that's a sharp looking car, it's damn shame Pontiac couldn't be salvaged.
- inactive, on 07/10/2009, -0/+20As a woman, what are you doing out of the kitchen?
- XPpro, on 07/09/2009, -5/+20Pontiac's had been coming out with some nice looking cars lately, instead they get shut down while the ugly duckling Saturn still lives on.
- nickervision, on 07/10/2009, -2/+13Wow, this guy heavily ***** on this car.
I get that the car is hurting in several departments, but theres no need to be a dick about it, trying to be witty with your insults. Something about this reminds me of that Simpsons episode where homer becomes the food critic, as all the REAL critics do is ***** on everything.
Either way tho, wouldn't have bought this car anyways, - S1ngular1ty1, on 07/10/2009, -0/+9I can attest mine is full of win.
- S1ngular1ty1, on 07/10/2009, -0/+9The G8 GT runs 5.3 and the G8 GXP runs 4.8 or so 0 to 60. A front wheel drive Altima or Maxima is not going to compete with a 6.0 L V8 rear will drive sedan. And what person serious about cars drives a front wheel driven car? Ewww....
The lancer is a nice car though. I'd only consider the Evo or the Rali Art versions though. - SMELLtheGluv, on 07/10/2009, -0/+7Not to be rude, but as a guy who actually knows alot about cars, I feel embarrassed for females like Kate1240 who try to sound like they know what they're talking about.
- roguewriter, on 07/10/2009, -3/+10Saturn was sold to Penske. GM should have ***** Buick, especially since Buick shares so much of its target market with Cadillac. Pontiac should have been the brand kept.
But, given the morons that run marketing at GM (and I used to work for GM), it made perfect sense to kill Pontiac.
Back in the early 90's, there was this re-dedication of the Pontiac brand as GM's offering to those who want something sportier, sleeker, faster. The next fall they had Patrick Stewart doing the ads for the Pontiac Transport mini-van.
Even just a few years ago, when Ford capitalized on the nostalgia love of muscle cars and came out with the restyled Mustang, what did GM do? They brought the Holden Commodore from Australia and called it the GTO. Typical GM ***** decision. If they'd brought out a GTO that was styled similarly to the '72, Pontiac wouldn't have been dropped. Muscle car lovers remember the GTO started the Muscle Car wars, and watching GM phone it in with an aussie sport sedan was infuriating.
As someone who worked at GM, I can tell you why GM failed. The factions within the board and upper management were more interested in ***** each other over than ensuring the company succeeded.
As for Saturn, fantastic cars, solid, dependable, highly efficient. Saturn dealers were the best around. Best customer service of any dealerships. I don't know what Penske will do with the brand since his purchase did not include the Spring Hill assembly plant (the original Saturn assembly plant), but I hope they stick around. - inactive, on 07/10/2009, -2/+9I work for a Pontiac/Buick/GMC dealer in my city and your points are exactly right. The only part you left out is that I've seen more Solstices come in on a flatbed with a no-start or some other unroadworthy condition than any other model of Pontiac.
- TheEngineer2008, on 07/10/2009, -0/+7True. I guess Saturn is separate enough from the rest of GM to sell, while Pontiac is probably too core to GM to spin off or sell to another company.
- inactive, on 07/10/2009, -0/+6Not really a substitute for a G8. Totally different types of cars.
- ucdbunny, on 07/10/2009, -7/+13w/e *****. I was interested in buying one, I went to several dealerships and at most I was told I could not test drive one because they didn't want to put any miles on it. Let me tell you, its not that good of a car, they are trying to create demand where there isn't any. The markup on one of those cars was $5000 above the MSRP and they wonder why they no longer exist, oh and its not because they are selling like wildfire. My cousin used to work for a GM dealership in the bay area and told me that those cars would sit at the lots for months at various dealerships across the bay and are still sitting there. The car looks ok from the outside, but the inside is terrible, the material is cheap plastic, no aesthetics at all sort of like what you expect from a rental car. The window power keys you cant even get to with your left hand without bending your wrist in a weird fashion or using your right hand instead. The manual stick is horrible placed on a higher plane then your seat. There is almost no room in the trunk, very very small glove compartment. Did I mention the very cheap interior? You can get a new 370z cheaper below its MSRP and would be a better car in all categories and better priced than this POS. Don't feel sorry at all, good riddance.
- bringitontimx, on 07/10/2009, -1/+6The Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstice were among the few things GOOD coming outta GM before all of this.
- Animan351, on 07/10/2009, -0/+5I loved the look of the solstice more than the honda s2k I wound up buying when i wanted a sporty convertable, but just couldn't choose it when the reliability and performance of the S2000 blew away the solstice. It's just so much more fun to drive.
- ucdbunny, on 07/10/2009, -0/+5Shes trying to be like Megan Fox who fixes the car from Transformers! Heh, god that movie was awful.
- oboshoe, on 07/10/2009, -0/+4Wow. I don't believe I've ever read a worse car review.
- Animan351, on 07/10/2009, -1/+5LOL. Your quite dumb aren't you? While the Solstice isn't quite up to par on quality, it's got the horsepower to weight ratio to whiz by many of the cars I'm sure your idiotic little self has spread your legs apart for.
- bromac, on 07/10/2009, -0/+4The standard internet unit of measure is a metric *****.
- gaiserrc, on 07/10/2009, -0/+4I will miss the G8 most.
- bermudianguy, on 07/10/2009, -0/+4If I had the cash I would buy it just to keep as a conversation piece ..like " that's the last Pontiac model ever made" ....Good collector car it might go up in value seeing how its only being made for one year .
- com2, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3Strange... it didn't make me register.
- inactive, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3that's right. A car that got ripped in half by Megatron. Megatron doesn't even turn into a car. That's some weak ***** right there.
- Entroper, on 07/10/2009, -1/+4Both are great looking cars from the outside, but unfortunately, it's not so pretty from the driver's seat. I really, really wanted to like them.
- S1ngular1ty1, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3Oh and BTW, an Evo lancer still can't beat the G8 GXP 0 to 60 even though it weighs 400 lb less. It is better in the turns of course being 4 wheel drive and all.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Compar ... - SpeedSteamBoat, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3Why would GM get rid of Buick when it is one of the most consistent money making brands they have?
You talk a lot about supposedly bad business decisions, but it's hard to imagine a worse business decision than selling off one of the few profitable brand names you have left. Buicks sell like mad, especially in China. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean GM should get rid of them. - BinaryFragger, on 07/10/2009, -1/+3The G8 is dead. They're were rumours that it would live on under another GM division, but they confirmed that it'll be discontinued:
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/16/one-last-time-h ...
I'm not sure if the 'new' GM will be better than the old one.
"hmm we have a competitive product... we'd better stop selling it!" - roguewriter, on 07/10/2009, -0/+2No, I saw bad business decisions made because it would screw over someone else's idea. I saw this happen multiple times. I saw how GM was run from the inside. I watched programs get millions spent on them, watched upper management change, and watched those programs be thrown away simply because they were the idea of a predecessor.
Take your nerd rage somewhere else.
Also, Buick is not that profitable outside of Asia. - IHeartNY, on 07/10/2009, -0/+2Pontiac does not fit in with the core brands that the new GM will need to be based around in order to survive. As other posters have mentioned they sold Saturn. They are choosing to keep Pontiac, which holds a place in many peoples hearts, instead of selling it for the quick cash. This way GM can revive or reinvent Pontiac in the future if they chose to do so. It is similar to GM stopping production on the Camaro in 2002 due to declining sales and then bringing it back recently with great success.
Also to everyone who says they should get rid of Buick; Buick is very popular in China which is obviously a huge market. It would likely be better if they just kept the name and sold rebadged cars from other divisions but I understood why they chose to keep Buick. - Animan351, on 07/10/2009, -1/+3The whole grammar correction thing had people digging them up for a while and now every dumb-ass out there is going through posts and doing it. It's annoying to everyone now. So ***** what if I put "your" instead of "you're". People quit caring.Get over it and think of something original and clever to say if you want "diggs" so badly.
- jfield1, on 07/10/2009, -1/+3Girl on the internets!? DIBS
- cawpin, on 07/10/2009, -0/+2*****. I've sat in both and they're great cars inside and out. The Redline and GXP blow anything else in their class out of the water.
- inactive, on 07/10/2009, -0/+2There is no controversy, the reviewer is just an idiot. Everything he said is true of all comparable cars, but are totally beyond the point of the car. If he had said, "Well it's not as much fun to drive as the Miata" or "The styling of the Z4 is much better" those would be valid. Instead he said "The trunk is too small to hold lots of luggage". He might as well complain about the lack of towing capacity or the fact it can not comfortably seat the Knicks starting lineup.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 07/10/2009, -0/+2Good job copy and pasting your same comment from above.
You still make the silly recommendation the General Motors can Buick, a profitable global brand.
"As someone who worked at GM, I can tell you why GM failed." I already know why. People like you worked there and made decisions "with their gut" instead of running a business by the numbers. "This is the way we've always done things." "That brand makes me feel bad, CAN IT!" "That brand makes me feel good, EXPAND IT!"
You can't run a business like that. - factsahoy, on 07/10/2009, -1/+3The guy's comments were reasonable and in line. Convertibles have improved a lot over the years, and don't assume his comments didn't compare this convertible to other convertibles.
Don't try to create controversy where there isn't any. - wargod18, on 07/10/2009, -0/+2I have a 96 Pontiac Grand AM GT I love it I think it was in an accident before i bought it cause it needs a lot of front end work or needed. anyway I think the Grand AM was on of the best cars Pontiac made. How many grand ams do you see out there? they are everywhere and what Pontiac is best known for. I'm going to miss Pontiac I always wanted to buy a brand new one off the lot. Oh well.
- NaturalCauzes, on 07/10/2009, -0/+2Hmm...just like Jazz in Transformers...brutally killed before he got to make an impact.
- factsahoy, on 07/10/2009, -0/+2But way better than either, at least on the outside.
- BoneStamp, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1Are saying it was the writing that was bad or the car?
- BoneStamp, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1I don't suppose you're including the Saturns that have Honda engines in them?
- BoneStamp, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1@cawpin
I'd own one if I could fit a suitcase in the trunk. But you can't. - tommasz, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1It's not until the last paragraph that the reviewer really gets to the point. And he's right.GM has had an unenviable track record of taking a great idea and turning it into crap. At one time, they could get away with it, at least as long as most of their products were okay. But that time has passed, there's more competition and fewer buyers now and tolerance for mistakes has gone away. The "new GM" had better understand that because there won't be a "new new GM".
- roguewriter, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1They should make it an Asia only brand then, such as Opel is in Europe, or Holden in Australia.
- marx2k, on 07/12/2009, -0/+1What about the backseat during Junior prom where you....
- thefox84, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1Buicks are selling like hotcakes in China... they would have been damn fools to get rid of Buick.
- Animan351, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1It's almost as fast as an s2000 going in a straight line (until you hit triple digits anyway) , but that's about it as the suspensions and 5 speed gearbox is a joke. The 9000 rpm V-tech has a wider power band and the whole thing weighs about 300 lbs less than the gxp. That leaves the 25 more hp the gxp has over the S2K worthless.
370z would take out my s2k, but at least I still like my handling and gearbox better. Almost went for a 370z but because I wasn't buying new with a warranty I opted to go for the more reliable vehicle. - JorusC, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1"...the final breath of a brand that failed to adapt to a changing world."
Is that why I can't find my G6 in a parking lot because of all the other G6's? One would think that they would keep the cars that everyone is buying. Except that politicians aren't interested in what people want, and they're in control now. - factsahoy, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1Yep. Pontiac was the only division at GM that showed any style. Sadly, as this article relates, the exterior penache was matched by dismal execution.
They should have ***** Buick, the most dowdy, old-fart brand on the planet. But therein probably lies the strategy: With an aging population, the future for Buick probably looked brighter than than of Pontiac.
Any way you slice it, GM is a fat-assed, sprawling mess that needs to do even more to consolidate its line and get its ***** together. Instead of squandering its resources on such a bloated organization, it should distill them into a great design and engineering firm. - RiperSnifle, on 07/11/2009, -0/+1How the fudge do these fudging NY Times stories end up on the front page where you have to register for a fudging account? Fudge that.
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