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- Zain123, on 03/21/2009, -2/+28That's probably because you don't know much about cars.
- vault, on 03/20/2009, -4/+2870-year-old Buick-driving grandmas everywhere rejoice.
- casspa, on 03/19/2009, -3/+26Kind of expected, there was no way Lexus was going to stay on top forever...but I certainly wouldn't have expected Jaguar to be one of the companies to unseat them.
- MarkusX, on 03/20/2009, -3/+24I'm surprised about Jaguar
Despite them being nice rides, I always considered them to be cars you shouldn't go far away from your favorite repair shop with. - inactive, on 03/21/2009, -1/+18It's Toyota's luxury brand, why wouldn't it be reliable?
- str1, on 03/21/2009, -6/+21Glad to see Buick on there! They are nice vehicles.
- honus, on 03/21/2009, -3/+16That's false.
CR uses a flawed methodology in their studies of reliability. Past reliability from a company impacts their tests for current makes/models. There are two different surveys used by CR; basically a short test and a long test. If you have a history of reliability, you get the short test. If you don't, you get the long test. Recently Toyota was bumped from the short test to the long test.
The reliability surveys from CR are worthless until they fix their methodology. The predictive value on the tests are not very good, because the testing ground is not uniform. - inactive, on 03/21/2009, -0/+11After Ford took over, their quality shot way up. Jag has been a decent nameplate for years in terms of quality.
- i70CuDa, on 03/21/2009, -0/+10Jag is far from british now.
- therippa, on 03/21/2009, -4/+13Toyota Camry with gold trim
- portnoy, on 03/21/2009, -2/+11As one of those that build the Buick Enclave, thanks. I for one think the Enclave is the best crossover vehicle in the world.
- Aixxt, on 03/21/2009, -1/+9Hardy since the Lexus LS series as been named the most reliable car in the world.
- helmsb, on 03/21/2009, -2/+10A British car on top of a reliable car list? Is that the four horseman off in the distance?
- diablozx9, on 03/21/2009, -0/+8was bought by Ford a few years ago,, sold to an Indian company last year (Tata).
- StanMort, on 03/21/2009, -1/+8Hey, it's not 1984 anymore. Use your mind to learn, have you driven a new car recently?
- portnoy, on 03/21/2009, -3/+10So unreliable cars does equal good cars for you?
- anotherjack, on 03/21/2009, -1/+8I trust Consumer Reports a ***** more than anyone else, whatever their methodology. Everybody else accepts some kind of pay for their reports. CR relies on consumers to fund their studies. They are responsible for many of the things we consider standard equipment now - like seat belts, air bags, ABS brakes, because they included a safety report on all cars ( unlike the glossy Car promo mags of the day ) and they refused to rate cars well that didn't include basic safety measures. They've also had a profound effect on gas mileage and reliability. Why? Because they tell the truth, and that makes people listen to them.
- Fawkes, on 03/21/2009, -0/+7Reliability is reliability, and quality is quality; no matter how much you sell.
- stk198323, on 03/21/2009, -0/+670 year-old Lexus-driving grandpas everywhere should cry?
Lexus and Buick has around the same average driver age! - EarlOfLade, on 03/21/2009, -2/+8As a Jaguar owner I have to say: Whaaaat?
No problems at all, minor repairs only and they've been done the same day. never had a problem finding any place to service it yet. - inactive, on 03/21/2009, -2/+8I always laugh a little when I see an ES on the road.
- bdbr, on 03/21/2009, -0/+6I hadn't owned a Japanese car for quite awhile, until I got a killer deal on a Subaru. I've had just as many problems, and the price of parts is outlandish. I wonder if repair costs are taken into account in these studies.
- StanMort, on 03/21/2009, -2/+7WOW, great generalization. Just like those punk kids who street race in the riced out imports. My lawnmower has the same engine as your rice box.
- Sinnic, on 03/21/2009, -0/+5Care to share with us what exactly they had problems with? Those old 3800s were pretty solid.
- bani, on 03/22/2009, -0/+5which has nothing to do with the actual reliablility rating.
how about if lexus was the least expensive car repair but broke down daily? - bdbr, on 03/21/2009, -2/+7Japanese reliability is overrated, as this study shows. Its based on stats, not simple analogy (like yours).
But if you're up for analogy, the ONLY cars I've had with major electrical problems were Japanese. - lalindsey, on 03/21/2009, -0/+5Now I don't feel like a such a loser driving my boat of a Buick.
- stk198323, on 03/21/2009, -0/+5Buick has alway's been there. Last year they were at #6 (still a lot higher then industry average) and two years before they tied Lexus for top spot.
Also they ten to have fewer initial problems then Lexus so one could alway's ask then if the Lexus has more initial problem and after 3 years Buick and Lexus are almost tied then probably the Buick will last a few years less then the Lexus. (That was hard to write as a GM fan!!) - rolf, on 03/21/2009, -1/+5Despite being reliable now, I would ask about how much repairs do cost when something happens. Exotic cars sometimes can't be serviced because they require exotic tools the shop doesn't have (or they just have no experience in repairing the cars, which can be even more costly than a dishonest mechanic, while they flail around trying different procedures to fix a hard-to-pin-down problem). I don't know how much this applies to Jaguar now since it was Ford owned since 1990 (and now TaTa motors) and may share many ford components, but it sure did on the older models.
Lexus may not be super luxury in comparison, but in exchange they are common enough that you shouldn't have problems finding a repair shop when they do break down. - BossKey, on 03/21/2009, -0/+4In addition to not accepting ads, and not approving of manufacturers using a Consumer Reports review to be quoted in an ad, Consumer Reports also does not accept or review any manufacturer-provided products. They go out and purchase one at a standard retail outlet using their own budget.
- Rtibbitts07, on 03/21/2009, -1/+5I can't believe the POS Lexus SC430 is still the number one "Premium" Sports Car. Well the survey is for the 2006 model year, but still, it was a terrible car when it was released....
- DaigojiGai, on 03/19/2009, -2/+6Buick making a comeback? or have they been there for years? Interesting...
- dancecmdr, on 03/22/2009, -1/+5Jags were notoriously unreliable far before Ford bought them out.
- Jincopunk, on 03/21/2009, -6/+9Everyone who I know who owns a Buick has had problems with them. They joke that the cars are only designed to outlive the old people that usually drive them.
- inactive, on 03/21/2009, -1/+4Funny, around 6-8 months ago Jaguar came in as the most expensive car repair for 2008.
http://www.forbes.com/2008/05/05/cars-expensive-re ... - BossKey, on 03/21/2009, -0/+3Reliability shot up as soon as they got that nameplate off the British Isles.
- charlietuna, on 03/22/2009, -0/+2This is only part of the picture, but it is welcome news. In the longer term marques need to retain customers through reliability, dealer service, resale value, features and price.
- wyrdness, on 03/22/2009, -0/+2Jaguar are doing very well in owner satisfaction surveys these days. Their quality and reliability are now very good. They don't hold their value and depreciate rapidly, so they make excellent used buys. However, insurance and servicing costs are high. I'm seriously considering getting a Jag (preferably an S-type in British Racing Green) sometime in the next year, so I've been doing my research on them.
- xenuxenuts, on 03/21/2009, -1/+3I had a 97 buick that I put almost 200K on and it's still going. However, the thing practically nickeled and dimed me to death.
- inactive, on 03/23/2009, -0/+2"WOW, great generalization. Just like those punk kids who street race in the riced out imports. My lawnmower has the same engine as your rice box."
Lets all generalize: punk kids, riced out import . .. . .
Guess your bitchin camaro isn't so bitchin any more. - idc5, on 03/21/2009, -1/+3blasphemy!
- haterrade, on 03/21/2009, -0/+2What's the difference between the two? Just curious how that could be gamed
- nitrojunky24, on 09/01/2009, -0/+2agreed Japanese cars are really overrated not to say they are bad but I think most others GM ford ext have gotten way better especially in the last 2-3 years ford really been blowing Toyota and honda out of the water with the new Taurus the new 09 actually looks pretty good to. and SHO is back I don't see the Toyota with a sports model of anything at all? scion TC? I guess lexus but how bout the rest of us who can't spend 60g on something fast
who would have thunk I would call a Taurus good? seriously the old on were truly horrible outed dated pieces of *****. long term though? I guess time will tell - StanMort, on 03/21/2009, -4/+6Things have changed since you started driving that 93 Tercel. Get out of your moms basement and see what's out there.
- rolf, on 03/23/2009, -0/+2"No problems at all, minor repairs only..."
Yeah, wait for it to need something a bit more than an oil change or an alignment. I wasn't talking about those times.
"WRONG. What exotic tools do you need to fix them? A METRIC wrench? Come on now."
I have a very good local mechanic. A 1980s Mercedes I once own had an moderate engine problem related to the engine harness, and despite it being a relatively common model for Mercedes he just didn't have the tools to fix it and I had to bring it to the dealership. Almost all cars need some specialized tools for some work (and some brands have very specialized tools) and it's definitely more than a metric wrench.
My GMC Van had an air intake problem, the GMC car dealership couldn't really fix despite trying and wanted $1000 for because they were going to rip out part of the system and replace it. Taking it to their truck division, it turned out to be a $200 repair because of a defective computer chip.
I stand by what I say: Mechanic's core competencies lie with the cars they fix most often. Get an exotic car and it can be a nightmare to fix. Especially if you drive in the boondocks when it breaks down. - Sinnic, on 03/22/2009, -1/+2Or don't, because we know you're full of *****.
- edwarddouglas, on 03/21/2009, -1/+2To be fair to Jaguar, all British cars are horribly unreliable. They use the finest leather and materials but the engineering part just is not so great. Lexus are reliable but as exciting as my dryer. Will take a BMW with electrical problems any day.
- troon, on 03/22/2009, -0/+1Jag is 100% British in character, I assure you. I work there, and the Indian owners are totally "hands-off". They like to be kept informed (reasonably) but leave the decisions to us.
- inactive, on 03/22/2009, -0/+1Um so about 1 problem per car? Information like that seems useless to me. What kind of statistics is that.
- wrrock, on 06/23/2009, -0/+1The declaration that American cars are narrowing the gap is somewhat misleading: While it is true, as a whole, they are making gains -- the real numbers that matter to consumers is the individual cars in certain a particular class. For example, the top three classes of cars are: Truck, Mid-sized sedan, and SUV. Toyota dominates in these classes. Just because Americans can do cars that few people drive better -- isn't exactly the best accomplishment.
I tell all my friends to buy foreign still. And to use the power of competition to get a good price (ignore clever marketing). This is the best process to use when you are ready for a car:
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