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- sinurgy, on 03/04/2009, -1/+261) Stop making it so damn hard to buy an automobile! If you still think I shouldn't have to navigate the hard selling, false advertising and intentional deception of a dealership just to buy a car, you're ***** nuts! It's a buyers market and I don't have to put up with that ***** anymore!
2) I'm tired of all the cash back OR %0 deals. You've pretty much always done that, you want to get me into one of your cars give me BOTH.
3) UPDATE YOUR ***** WEBSITE and include your weekly ads
4) Stop giving me MSRP numbers, like anyone paid that ***** before much less now.
5) Give some price breaks on the nice models,not just the orange fleet V4 pickup in the back that comes with the AM radio and wood wheels.
6) I'm looking for a price, not a payment, stop ***** asking - gluecode, on 03/04/2009, -1/+18Toyota has requested (http://tinyurl.com/c76zpu) bailout by Japanese government. Today I saw news that Honda is also going to do the same.
- SeaMowse, on 03/04/2009, -1/+14The Ford plant in Cleveland is reopening after being closed since 2007.
- BCPneumatics, on 03/04/2009, -0/+13Ford has sucked for the last 106 years? Really?
- boote, on 03/04/2009, -4/+17Why did people ever buy Hummers?
- bunkka, on 03/04/2009, -1/+13at least Ford is not taking bailout money. we should applaud them
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ford_tender_offer - Ajajadude, on 03/04/2009, -1/+11And to think, it wasn't too long ago people here were holding up Toyota to prove how badly American car companies sucked. They're all in trouble, and once one of them goes under, it can hurt all the other car companies (according to Toyota, anyway).
- mustang460, on 03/04/2009, -6/+14unions affect profitability not sales
- Gman1223, on 03/05/2009, -0/+8Honda will likely be asking the Japanese Govt for a bailout now: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/04/honda-may-follo ...
- sulthernao, on 03/04/2009, -0/+7That really is completely false from an economic point of view. Supply is derived from demand not the other way around.
- portnoy, on 03/05/2009, -1/+7What are you bitching about? Find the car you like and tell the salesdude what you'll pay. He'll either sell you the car or he won't. What could be easier than that? If he starts adding costs after the deal tell him you don't want it.
- CoD4, on 03/04/2009, -0/+6the fit is faster, gets the same mpg and has more space, and it's cheeper too
- lsnicket, on 03/04/2009, -0/+6Although I must admit that I grew up in New York City, and live there, and cannot drive a car, it seems ridiculous that a good portion of our economy should depend on people going out and buying a new car every few years.
- jeremymccurdy, on 03/05/2009, -0/+5Get a basket for your bike and wear heavy clothing. Problem solved.
- Phate8263, on 03/04/2009, -2/+6Um where did it mention hummer? Or are you just trying to announce that you hopped on the "Let's all hate Hummer" bandwagon?
- jbmcb, on 03/05/2009, -0/+4According to everyone. The margins on car parts is so thin that if one car company goes under, the unpaid bills would probably tank at least half of the suppliers, screwing over the surviving companies. Other suppliers could retool to fill in the gaps, but it would take months - months of car companies not being able to produce product. It would be a catastrophe.
- Racer20, on 03/04/2009, -2/+6Funny how cheap, small, ugly, and ***** is now what defines an "awesome" car.
FWIW, the Yaris is garbage. The Fit is not. - jbmcb, on 03/05/2009, -0/+3That would be awesome! Now, tell me how to ride my bike to the doctor's office with a newborn when it's 0F out in the snow.
- portnoy, on 03/05/2009, -0/+3I saw pictures of a Hummer that rear ended a bus. The bus had extensive damage, the Hummer was virtually undamaged. If you think you might be rear ending a bus at 50mph or so you might want to do it in a Hummer.
- pintomp3, on 03/04/2009, -10/+13Must be the fault of those evil Toyota unions.
- jjamminjon, on 03/05/2009, -0/+3@sinurgy
There is no correlation there. - JoeVet, on 03/04/2009, -0/+3Before you get into a flame war about which econo-car is better, the Geo Metro got 60 MPG and that was 20 years ago. Raving about 20MPG less using today's technology doesn't impress.
- saintamour, on 03/05/2009, -1/+4Hmm....let's compare the weight of a Hummer to a ***** Jimmy!
- DiggityCarl, on 03/05/2009, -0/+2Here's an idea, next time you go to buy groceries, bring your unused groceries with you and tell them you want to trade them in. That's part of the reason for the difficulty in buying a car. Granted, the norm is untrustworthy car dealers. Portnoy had it right, tell them what you want to pay and they'll either sell it or they won't. Any dealer who is still holding back more than a $500 gross is an idiot. If you would begrudge someone making even that, chances are you'll find someone else who will beat it.
- Pyros7, on 03/04/2009, -2/+4Further evidence that throwing taxpayer's money at the auto makers isn't going to do jack ***** ***** to help them.
Why are we paying out the ass to keep people producing something there is no market for? To keep a few million people employed? Guess what, they're going to be unemployed anyway. The only difference that tens of billions of dollars is buying us is that instead of being unemployed now they'll be unemployed by summer. - 883XL, on 03/05/2009, -1/+3oh boy here we go with the fanboyism...
I've got a 94 Jimmy S-10 and it still runs great.
Guess what? Cars are reliable when you maintain them - kevinmoore, on 06/13/2009, -1/+3You knew what all of the automakers' numbers would be before they posted them? Can I borrow your crystal ball, time machine, or whatever you have that makes this not news?
- IVillageIdiot, on 05/06/2009, -0/+2Boycott ALL government owned companies.
The Socialist ONLY win if they survive. If you buy a government manufactured vehicle, the union keeps collecting dues and handing them to the Socialist. Your taxes (“bailouts“), your loan (buying a gvt car), your income (your payments) will fund an ever stronger Socialist machine, which will continue to collectivize until you are faced with ALL companies being owned by government, their goal.
--We must strangle this infant in its crib - yunus, on 03/05/2009, -0/+2Ford and Toyota should be really pissed off at the government right now. Their numbers would not be so bad if the government had let the market handle this and allowed GM and Chrysler to head into bankruptcy. No one would be buying GM and Chrysler and those sales would be spread across the more successful auto makers.
- ldkronos, on 03/05/2009, -0/+2Re #2. OK...offer you both, but then someone is going to say "I don't want $2K PLUS 0%, so just give me a $4K rebate instead". Then you'll be back to bitching that you want the $4K PLUS the 0%.
Don't you understand...offering the 0% has a certain cost involved. If you want both, you are going to get 1.9% and a $1K rebate instead. All you are saying is that regardless of what they are offering, you just arbitrarily want them to double it.
Re #6: Tell them you've already got financing lined up and you simply want to work on the price. That simplifies the negotiation. Then, when you've negotiated your best price, see what they can offer for financing on that price and see if they can beat what you can find elsewhere. - byronm, on 03/05/2009, -1/+3Unions affect neither. Unions offer a fixed cost of labor and its failed companies who can't manage their sales nor their costs.
- yaosio, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1I thought only US car companies are having problems.
- fabkebab, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1I think this has the potential to be a good thing for the US carmakers -
GM/Ford needed a major makeover anyway, whereas Toyota and Honda didnt - this economy sort means that when the companies emerge, they will all have had to change a bit, giving the American companies a chance to come out ahead - jbmcb, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1> Get a basket for your bike and wear heavy clothing. Problem solved.
Bundling up works for me, not for an infant. Eskimos solve the problem by keeping the infant close to the body, not an option when riding a bicycle.
Have you seen infant car seats? A basket isn't going to protect a baby from blunt force trauma in an accident. There's also the problem with ice - bikes don't handle so well on ice, that compounds the safety issue.
You could get a recumbent bicycle, but it still doesn't solve the problem of a bicycle not moving on ice, or a foot of fresh powder. - waleedo, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1That's cool and all...but WHEN will I see that reflected in the car prices?!?
- reeds1999, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1The obvious solution to the problem is to give GM a few billion more taxpayer dollars to build more cars they can't sell.
- byronm, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1Toyota is asking for a bailout as well.
- fugazied, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1Actually, Japan has auto unions too. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0 ... However in Japan, the state helps pay their medical bills and has a public+private pension plan (you won't be left destitute if you don't have health insurance and a work pension plan). So the companies don't have to foot the entire bill for workers pensions and medical care as they do in the US.
- 883XL, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1 Jimmy's around 4070lbs and the Hummer H3t is 4900lbs. Did you consider that the Jimmy's engine is 15 years old? My point is that they could have used the inline 6 Vortec 4200 which is much more fuel efficient and produces much more power.
- fugazied, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1But she obese too, so how does an obese person ride a bike??
- FordSVT1, on 05/04/2009, -0/+1Same as in Canada. A GM car built in Ontario is more profitable than one built in Michigan even with a similar hourly wage.
- IVillageIdiot, on 05/06/2009, -0/+1Boycott ALL government owned companies.
The Socialist ONLY win if they survive. If you buy a government manufactured vehicle, the union keeps collecting dues and handing them to the Socialist. Your taxes (“bailouts“), your loan (buying a gvt car), your income (your payments) will fund an ever stronger Socialist machine, which will continue to collectivize until you are faced with ALL companies being owned by government, their goal.
--We must strangle this infant in its crib - captcoolguy, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1I agree Honda makes good reliable cars...but they still seem to rust out in the same spots, even with the new cars.
- slpdprvdtchy06, on 03/05/2009, -1/+2Because your mom gives them cheap?
- Avaseal, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1And what if the bandwagon breaks down..and there are snakes everywhere? Then what? He sure as hell wont be getting a Hum-vee to tow him to safety.
- jeremymccurdy, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1My old man's a mechanic, I do take care of vehicles. The diffference being that one company designs their vehicles for all climates, and the other one designs theirs for warmer climates with salt-free winters. GM trucks and cars can last a long time if you maintain them,but their parts don't, you'll have to do a lot more constant work on an older GM than a Ford(or even a Toyota or Honda, though parts for both of those are ***** expensive).
- daPhoenix, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1As we know, the known world ends at the US borders.
- etx313, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1u kan speal
- yunus, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1Ok, try to understand this. People are buying less cars now than they were last year. That means that the entire car market is selling less and will downsize. All the government is doing is helping GM and Chrysler to stay afloat, this means that the lay offs are spread across all car companies not focused on 2 companies. So when Toyota lays off workers in its Alabama, Kentucky, Indiana, Texas, or West Virginia plants you know who is to blame? The government, those workers work for a company that was succeeding but now the government has stepped in and is preventing a company that the market decided makes inferior cars from failing and is helping to cause a well organized company to fail.
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