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- mikbunn, on 11/21/2008, -5/+43Dealer's row can run Crysis.
Sorry. - Rapter09, on 11/22/2008, -0/+22Sorry, my heartstrings are too jaded to be tugged.
It's not that they deserve this. It's not that I don't feel bad for them because they're not humans too, and it's not that I want them to fail because I think they're predatory and they lie and cheat to get you to buy a car. No, that's not actually it at all.
I think part of it is a case of too much product, too expensive, and too little demand.
The car industry made its own bed. What better example of "the west" living beyond its means can I give you than car dealerships? How many cars are parked in just one dealership's lot? Who's seriously going to buy all of those ***** cars? And when one gets bought, it just gets replaced. They make SO many ***** cars, sell them at ridiculously high prices, and then wonder why they have so little staff and money and business? Cars are an expensive, big purchase (or maybe i'm the only one who things that anymore?!) and yet dealerships have more locations - even on my tiny little island - than ***** McDonalds. And each of those dealerships are absolutely crammed with cars, scores of the suckers, just sitting there.
Of course you're going out of business. - AmyVernon, on 11/22/2008, -1/+21No matter what, though, I find it hard to feel badly for any car dealer - new, used or otherwise.
- samssf, on 11/22/2008, -2/+18"Savvy customers, smelling deals in all the desperation, are driving down already narrow profit margins on new cars. And the Internet makes it tougher, because now customers can figure out his costs."
Right, because the dealerships and predatory salesmen would rather you not know how much the car is really worth, so they can rip you off. And now they want sympathy? GTFO. - sgglynn, on 11/22/2008, -0/+14""I used to be proud of this country," said one dealer, who did not wish to be identified by name. A recent immigrant, he now managed a small lot. "I used to shout wherever I went, all over the world, how great America is. The land of opportunity. You can achieve whatever you want. Now, look at all this.""
So you aren't making as much money anymore so you are no longer proud? - tekhna, on 11/22/2008, -1/+12Who the hell needs a car in New York anyways? I've never used anything but the subway and my bike, with the occasional too drunk to make it home taxi.
- secrity, on 11/22/2008, -2/+12I had fully agreed with you until you ruined your post with the last sentence. Buried for the racism.
- Shiftgood, on 11/22/2008, -0/+9Have you been on 880 around 6 o clock?
The problem is that everyone alive already has a car and is using it to impede my forward motion. - mrcaulfield, on 11/21/2008, -1/+9Don't apologize, I thought the same thing.
- inactive, on 11/22/2008, -1/+9America works less when you say "union, yes."
- radiofrequency, on 11/22/2008, -1/+9Lower prices or go bankrupt.
- anshuman, on 11/22/2008, -0/+8 I really wonder how are Humvee dealers really feeling right now.
- inactive, on 11/22/2008, -1/+9I feel bad for a lot of people out there in this market, so many industries are suffering. With that being said it is about time that auto makers got a clue about making cars that get better gas mileage and that run on alternate fuel and energy sources.
- jgregc, on 11/21/2008, -3/+10I just don't know about this - everywhere, and everytime, I go out, people are out and buying. I guess I just don't go to the fancy enough places...
- darkwolfbc, on 11/22/2008, -0/+7There are way too many car dealerships. Im surprised it has taken this long.
- tconnect80, on 11/22/2008, -1/+8UGH, I live within a few blocks of Northern and the worst thing in the world is "MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMAJOR WORLD!" commercials. I thought I hated Billy Fucillo when I lived in Western New York but I want to slaughter whoever came up with the concept for those Major World commercials. I hope those ***** go out of business
- oboshoe, on 11/22/2008, -0/+6Right now is the wrong time to buy a car.
If just want one, there's going to be some fantastic deals in a few months as the auto makers get more and more desperate.
I guess if your car just died, you don't have a choice, but I think that waiting a bit could save a crap load of money. - Cyberdactyl, on 11/22/2008, -0/+6The automobile industry is dying.
The crown of sad is GM. It has probably the ugliest sustainable business model in the industry and probably of any muti-billion dollar industry.
A company that allows a 12 year factory-line worker with only a high school or tech school education to make above $90,000/yr and THEN have to support approximately 8 company dependents (retired, disabled, inherited pensions, etc.) and a grotesquely bloated health care plan, NEEDS to be reworked from the ground up.
To even CONSIDER they can be competitive is a sad joke on themselves. - akchrs, on 11/22/2008, -1/+6I want a 2009 Challenger with a World Products' 528-Cid Hemi Crate Engine in it and 120 octane gas stations.
- geauxtig3rs, on 11/22/2008, -0/+5One of our partner stores is a hummer dealership and they sell 6-7 hummers per day....sooo...not feeling too bad really.
- onimusha115, on 11/22/2008, -0/+5Its good to see that even a car lot owner isn't a fan of the auto bailout. Unless the big 3 come up with new business plans to get their companies going in the right direction they don't deserve any money. I know many people will be affected if they go under, I am one of them. I work for a place that makes wire, the majority of the sales are to the automotive industry. So if they go under chances are my job could be in trouble, but even so, its not worth 25 billion to just delay the inevitable. America needs to realize its not the country it once was, changes have to be made.
- samuelburns, on 11/22/2008, -0/+5Quote from the article from Harold Bendell, one of the car lot owners:
"Don't give me this Car & Driver s---!" he said. "'This car got voted Car & Driver Car of the year.' That's today. I loved my wife in the beginning. Eight years later... eh."
Hope his wife sees that. What a dick. - chroko, on 11/23/2008, -0/+4The article in few words:
"Boo, hoo. Everyone else is to blame - but not me. Give me money." - TheNik, on 11/22/2008, -1/+5The automotive industry, especially the sales side, confuses the hell out of me. Aside from houses, motor vehicles are (for the most part) a big deal financially. They generally upwards of $15,000 and require negotiation and mountains of paperwork, but I see no reason for this system. Why do car dealerships function like Radio Shack? These dealerships need to be more retail oriented. When I want to purchase a vehicle I _do not_ want to speak to a salesperson until I'm ready and I _do not_ want to know the price in monthly payments. I also think the financing should be a bit more strict. They have systems that disable cars owned by delinquent loan holders, which is a fairly good idea - don't pay, don't drive. Continue to not pay your bill after a certain amount of time and they simply take the vehicle from you and resell it. But honestly, I believe the price of automobiles is almost extortion level. Do these cars really cost this much to produce?
- AstroZombie138, on 11/22/2008, -0/+4I bought a car a few months ago. This was a used 2006 BMW 750LI with 35k miles on it. The original sticker was included and the MSRP was $93k when new. I bought the car for $39k, so these luxury vehicles are losing over half their value in two years which is pretty sad. I thought I was getting a great deal, but now with the economy tanking even more I'm not so sure...
Overall I think auto dealers are pretty much going the way of travel agents. Almost all of the research, negotiating, etc. for my last three cars has been done entirely online. - strictnein, on 11/22/2008, -0/+4To you: Reply
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -1/+5The way it's going it should be Crisis on Death Row.
- statik99, on 11/03/2009, -1/+5I have mixed feelings on this. You have some predatory salesmen/dealerships and other legit companies trying to sustain their business. On one hand I wanna say these people deserve this (the predatory types) and on the other hand they're suffering the same problems as other companies (both predatory and legit dealers) So I'm not sure how to feel.
- jgregc, on 11/22/2008, -0/+410 years from now the Humvee will still be going while the smaller vehicle is junk. One of the key elements in conservation is reusabiity, and the Humvee has it in spades. Besides, for the right driver, the humvee is more efficient... and it takes very little fuel to move even a big vehicle at highway speeds as long as you connect the gas pedal to the brain. Of course, a lot of the media fed people won't get that... but the sales speak loudly enough.
- Technopundit, on 11/23/2008, -0/+4It's all Reagan's fault.
- palindrome12, on 11/22/2008, -0/+4I'll agree with you. These cars nowadays are just too frikkin expensive. Take a Jeep Wrangler for example. Why in the heck is it 25 grand? It's an engine with some big wheels on it, nothing fancy. I drive a 'Yota Corolla with 193k miles on it, and will keep driving it until the wheels fall off. I think a lot of people out there will be hanging on to their cars too. Prices are going to have to come down on these vehicles before people really start buying them up again.
- deleo, on 11/22/2008, -0/+3Every mall, store, and restaurant I go to here in Los Angeles is still absolutely packed. Maybe everyone here still has some room left on their credit cards.
- RizzoFrank, on 11/22/2008, -0/+3Damn I can only find 110 at the stations where I live.
- inactive, on 11/22/2008, -0/+3Queens is NOT fancy. No one ever even goes to Queens, do they?
- zoethebitch, on 11/22/2008, -0/+3FTA (about Major World): "He took me out there to show me why he thought General Motors was in trouble. Inside his used Chevrolet Equinoxes, door trim was chafing off. Seats had stains that wouldn't come out. Inside his used Pontiac cars, he said, the steering felt loose after only about 30,000 miles."
Those are used cars on their lot, that they are waiting to sell to customers. - Crashwithuhk, on 11/22/2008, -0/+3Have you been outside today? There's no way I'd get on a bike in that weather and parts of Queens and Brooklyn are a pain when it comes to public transportation. Perhaps in Manhattan cars are useless but out there in Queens they're plenty useful.
- onimusha115, on 11/22/2008, -0/+3It's the same around where I live. Nothing has seemed to have changed. Some people I have talked to claim to have little or no savings but are still racking up debt on credit cards for the holidays. This is why America almost needs a big recession, its a land full of stubborn people. Unless people personally feel the pinch due to their own actions no one is willing to change. Hell, SUVs are starting to sell again because gas is under 2 bucks a gallon, its almost as if people forgot what happened not even 6 months ago. Can't say I'm shocked this country is in trouble.
- NetSliderX, on 11/22/2008, -0/+3Yeah.. I used to sell cars. For a time, you could make quite a nice living doing it which is funny because in reality you really aren't doing anything. For used cars, just keep the amount you own it for you to yourself... some dealers use tags on their used cars which show a major discount (like 4 grand or so..) I know of people that would pull those tags out and make up their own price .... You could make a good 5k profit on a car and get a decent percentage of it... I know of a guy that once made 18k and another that made 8k... 25% of those profits is really good.
My point is this, car dealers are scumbags and yes they've had this coming for the longest time. I am so glad I got out of that business. - computershack, on 11/22/2008, -0/+2NEWSBREAK:
People realise they can own a car for longer than the warranty without it crapping out shocker. Car dealers country wide found leaping off bridges. - PopcornDave, on 11/22/2008, -0/+2If you're talking about 880 in the East Bay in California then no, but I'm trying to keep my sanity. 101 is bad enough.
- Pramma, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2I'm a little drunk and for some reason read this something like "Crysis from Dealer's can run!" and was super-disappointed.
- jgregc, on 11/22/2008, -0/+2One man's fancy is another man's Queens, perhaps?
(Actually I wasn;t referring to Queens specifically, but close enough). - drexl, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2***** them!
- Virgule, on 11/22/2008, -0/+2I doubt they cost this much to produce but it's a fact a car MSRP is always lower than the sum of it's parts, which is a big red light to me. It just doesn't compute.
Maybe I'm just dumb. - Cyberdactyl, on 11/22/2008, -1/+2"They generally upwards of $15,000 . . ."
WTF, you just wake up from a 15 year coma? - Virgule, on 11/22/2008, -0/+1A salesman told me my new car lost $2k of it's value the moment it leaved the dealership's parking lot. 2k out of $18,484 MSRP. Thanks you very much :P
- abrasion, on 11/23/2008, -0/+1I was with you till the end, what?
You're complaining about car prices? I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you're American based on how you worded your comment, you are in America right?
If so, then wtf..... you realise as usual like most products you guys get things significantly cheaper than the rest of the world right? - inactive, on 11/22/2008, -0/+1Good one JG! Actually I thought all the car dealerships were all in Brooklyn/Bay Ridge and in Jersey near the factory smells.
- tekhna, on 11/22/2008, -0/+1Uhhh, yes. I biked to the library today. You make choices. You can ride in this cold. Neoprene booties, proper gloves, etc.. But I agree with you, cars could be outlawed from Manhattan and it'd be a better place.
- gtluke, on 11/22/2008, -0/+1I'm with you buddy
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