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- ayeroxor, on 07/01/2009, -10/+101In other news, police have started putting people convicted of "felonies" into facilities called "Jails". Opponents worry that it's a first step towards everybody on Earth being placed into a "Jail".
/how the ***** do the consequences of committing a crime = possible mandating that thousands of dollars of hardware be installed on every car on Earth? ***** fear-mongering MSM. - borez, on 07/01/2009, -7/+95If they've already been convicted once, then I think that this is a great idea. I have mates who drive around pissed all the time, a lot of them have priors, but still they don't seem to give a *****.
- hasslinthehoff, on 07/01/2009, -4/+61Eh, in about five years all cars will just drive themselves, so we'll all be able to be loaded anytime, anywhere.
- ArthorBearing, on 07/01/2009, -8/+46Drunk driving is much more common than people realize. Life is dangerous, and will not become less so with paternalistic government-mandated safety features.
I don't necessarily hate being the bearer of bad news, but let me tell you, it's a lonely job. - bwoodall, on 07/01/2009, -5/+42In louisiana, i'm pretty sure it's a mandatory breathalyzer after the first offense.
My roommate has one of these alcohol flutes in his car and he bitches about the monthly fees and such he has to pay for it, but ***** him...that's what you get for driving drunk. - Satualanus69, on 07/01/2009, -2/+28sweet.............. i hope they come up with a drug test that if your high you cant get into your refrigerator
- norman619, on 07/01/2009, -0/+25the sober people who blew for him were making themselves just as liable for any peopel thier drunk friend would run over.
- shadebane, on 07/01/2009, -6/+28so you want to live in a prison planet? people make mistakes.
- dazparkour, on 07/01/2009, -0/+21I have those in my house - I call them stairs.
- Fire4Effect, on 07/01/2009, -1/+22Or we need to re-evaluate the legal limit. I got a DUI back in November, met a friend for dinner and had a couple beers on a Sunday night. When I was leaving I was pulled over about a half mile away from the restaurant because the cop claimed that my tire hit the solid yellow line when I made my left hand turn. Asked me if I was drinking and I said I had a couple beers with dinner. Thinking there was no way I could be over the limit I did the road side gymnastics and blew in the breathalyzer. Blew a .10, and was arrested.
Now I know when Ive had to much drink, and I act accordingly by either sleeping where Im at or taking a cab. I felt perfectly fine and was in no a way a threat to myself or anyone else on the road. Was simply a suburban cop waiting for someone to leave and pull them over on a technicality hoping he or she had had a few drinks in them. To any drinkers out there....08 is NOTHING and you would be shocked at how fast you're over, and still fully capable to drive. But it will never be changed, there's too much money to be made off unsuspecting people who had half a beer to many at dinner. Cost me 3k in court fees and Im just one guy. - bills534, on 07/01/2009, -2/+22Yes it would have been. Where I live you could be in the backseat with the keys anywhere inside the vehicle and you will get charged for DWI. They claim that is "intent" to drive. Doing the right thing and sleeping it off inside your car in a public place just gives the police more time to catch you and charge you with the same crime based on a technicality.
- 2Six119, on 09/10/2009, -0/+20I knew someone that had one, and he would just get sober people to blow for him
- aliengoods, on 07/01/2009, -1/+21I agree with bills534, as I know 2 people who have been busted with this ***** law. If you're not driving, you're not endangering anyone. PERIOD. Busting people for doing the responsible thing is in effect encouraging people to do the irresponsible thing. It would have been better for the driver had he just chanced it and drove home (a dwi is a dwi regardless of the circumstances, so why not take the chance of making it home), but he would have potentially put others in harms way. For those other people, it would not have been better. And that's the point.
- kiloheavy, on 07/01/2009, -4/+23Not a fan of drunk driving.
Also not a fan of the government ramming ***** literally down my throat. Who's going to absorb the cost? Our auto industry? They're in such stellar financial shape it shouldn't be an issue for them, right? Oh, wait ...
Until they invent a device that prevents you from juggling a latte, your iphone, changing the playlist on your mp3 player, rerouting your GPS to pick up a pint of Silli Vanilli Double Muffin Crunch from the local WholeFoods WHILE simultaneously hitting replay on the Spongebob DVD and swatting at your yupspawn in the back seat of your five ton chariot of death, ***** like this is silly "feel good" legislation that makes the useless ***** in congress look good to their constituents without actually accomplishing anything.
What's next? Legislation outlawing puppy killing?
Fix the ***** country, morons. - darkened, on 07/01/2009, -1/+19IMO the ratio shouldn't exist. Arrest people for not being able to drive safely, not being drunk. If they're swerving around the road it shouldn't have anything to do with being drunk or not.
- SamSks, on 07/01/2009, -5/+23Here's little chart that'll give you an idea of how LITTLE it takes to be impaired and it'll give you an idea that having just a couple of glasses of wine with dinner can put your BAC AT OR ABOVE the legal limit. In other words, even when you think you are drinking responsibly, you are over the limit and if caught, will be convicted of drunk driving.
http://www.brad21.org/bac_charts.html
In other words, if you're driving, your best bet is to not drink at all. I gave up drinking completely.
I'm also saying that there are folks who are convicted of drunk driving thinking that they were fine after only two drinks. Keep that in mind when condemning folks who are "so stupid" or "reckless" for driving drunk. - stronglikedan, on 07/01/2009, -0/+17Lucky him; I always have to get my friends drunk before they'll blow me.
- borez, on 07/01/2009, -3/+20Everybody does something that somebody else doesn't like. Doesn't mean that they can't be your friend.
- DarkMatter911, on 07/01/2009, -5/+21Why are we trying to be such a nanny state? This is the purview of the courts not congress.
The dropping of the legal limit from .01 to .008 is nothing but a revenue generating move. - rizzo2008, on 07/01/2009, -8/+22They have even tried to put black boxes in each car to monitor speed and position in real time (I dont know if it passed). Can the government please stay the hell out of my life and particularly my car? If someone is driving under the influences they will suffer the consequences with jail time, fines, guilt of hurting or killing someone, and a suspended license is that not enough?
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2005/0 ... - MaxxusFlamus, on 07/01/2009, -4/+18it wouldn't be different from any other car that malfunctions one day and won't start...
- TheSpook, on 07/01/2009, -2/+15You can thank MADD and the like.
- gbarger, on 07/01/2009, -2/+14Exactly what I was thinking. That's like saying that putting ankle bracelets around stay at home criminals is the first step to forcing everyone to stay at home.
- psunut5, on 07/01/2009, -0/+12Can people that dont drive drunk have a girl in the car to blow us instead?
- freeridstylee, on 07/01/2009, -0/+12Who else are you going to get to drive your drunk ass around?
- darkened, on 07/01/2009, -3/+15***** you. By your argument every person that drives a car should be in jail for life because "they could kill someone."
- StormsOfSteel, on 07/01/2009, -3/+15It should be mandated to all repeat offenders not first-timers. Can you imagine all the money wasted on putting it on people with just ONE DUI?
- feelmypimphand, on 07/01/2009, -0/+12"Anyone who chooses to do something that they know can kill people are danger to society"
Texting, dialing, talking, using GPS, google searching for the nearest chuck-e-cheese, etc...this is ok because it is more widely accepted right? - TheSpook, on 07/01/2009, -4/+15I have an OWI. It was a mistake and I'm working to make sure it does not happen again (the BS and $$ I went through was plenty of a deterrent for me to get a second). Will you pay for the breathalyzer and installation for me? Zero tolerance!
(by the way - I wasn't even driving at the time. I pulled over to "sleep it off" and the cop found me asleep in my vehicle. The engine was off, but I had the keys in the ignition to listen to the radio. Busted! It would have been to have kept driving and tried to make it to my destination.) - mysticalone, on 07/01/2009, -7/+18YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS DANGEROUS AND SHOULD BE JAILED FOR?
Driving drowsy. I think people should go to jail if they are tired and driving. Yep, so they can get some sleep and some warmth from Bubba.
I rather be buzz driving 1PM than drowsy driving 1 AM. - kenlaw, on 07/01/2009, -2/+13So now drunk driving is a lifetime offense. Not a fan of driving drunk but this will not stop it. Even taking away licenses do not stop it. If it can be added to a car it can be removed. Hey just rent a car.
- zyklon, on 07/01/2009, -5/+16I can't wait until you've had 3 beers and the bar closes early for one reason or another, forcing you to drive home drunk. As the cop pulls you over, I will be there laughing as you are sentenced to a lifetime in prison ironically.
- aliengoods, on 07/01/2009, -0/+11I take it you've never sped by even 1 MPH. Or not used a blinker. These are crimes in many states because it is argued they put others lives in jeopardy. How about talking on a cell phone while driving, which is illegal in a few states, but not in others. How about driving when you're too tired but were trying to make it home after a trip. Why don't we just throw everyone into prison for violations of laws which are at best arbitrary and at worst knee-jerk responses to a tragedy. Now I'm not saying people should drive when they're impaired, but I will say putting someone in prison for life for that offense is absurd.
We've all done things while driving that pose a POTENTIAL risk to others. In other words, ***** you in your self-righteous ass. - DankJemo, on 07/01/2009, -0/+11That is something that is absolutely impossible to enforce on any level, however studies have shown that driving when you are sleepy is just as bad, and in some cases can be worse then driving when you are intoxicated.
If you drive a little bit sleepy it is already like you are driving with 2 or 3 drinks in you, at least where decisions and reaction time are concerned, when you're really tired that, and practically falling asleep behind the wheel it's probably more like a six pack. - SamSks, on 07/01/2009, -3/+14Here's story, I was out to dinner with some family. My brother in law had only 3 beers. He got pulled over for crossing some line too early before a turn lane or some such nonsense. He blew BELOW the legal limit - not by much and was still arrested. Several thousand dollars later in legal fees, the lawyer proved his innocence.
When it comes to Terrorism, Drugs, Taxes, and DUI, you are guilty until proven innocent. That really disturbs me from a Constitutional perspective.
Life is risk. Then we die. You can pass all the laws and have all the police you want, but one day, like it or not, you will die. Life is not fair and there's no law or anything else you can do to make it so. Innocent people die all the time.
We need to pass a law to outlaw cancer and heart disease. After all, those diseases kill more people per day than drunk drivers do in a year.
Those diseases kill more people in a day than terrorism has in over twenty years.
But yet, we're all worried about the evil drunk drivers and terrorists. We spend all our resources on relatively minor threats while the major ones go unchecked. - ArthorBearing, on 07/01/2009, -2/+12They'll drive without the license
- EnderWiggin, on 07/01/2009, -1/+11@Fire4Effect -- you may not have been over the legal limit.
@SpazAttack -- you may have been over the legal limit.
Breathalyzers are not always accurate and must be regularly properly calibrated. Even still a number of factors can affect the results. If you've just burped you can dramatically increase the reading. If you're hyperventilating you will decrease the reading.
A pilot in Britain blew over the limit due to a chemical being produced in his breath from an alternative diet (I believe a variation on Atkins). Google "breathalyzer accuracy" for numerous articles. Also most breathalyzer manufacturers don't release the specifications or source code.
Blood is an accurate test. I think they should make a machine that fits over the finger and automatically gives a pinprick or something. - freeridstylee, on 07/01/2009, -4/+14How many people's lives have been ruined due to getting a DUI vs people's lives ruined due to other people drunk driving? What's an acceptable ratio?
- DarthVolta, on 07/01/2009, -0/+10with today's modern cars you can't get lost! what with all the silicon chips and such.
- SpazAttack5000, on 07/01/2009, -3/+13*butt ***** him*
- ApokalypseNow, on 07/01/2009, -2/+12Breathalyzer, meet hair dryer. Hair dryer, Breathalyzer. You two are going to get along great.
- Mship, on 07/01/2009, -0/+9But if you take their license away you will be having a major negative effect on their income generating potential. Most place in this country perrty much require you to have a car to get around, go to work, pick up the kids, get food. So if you take their license away you will be ruining their life.
With a device like this you give them an opportunity to prove that they will not commit the same crime twice or three times, while allowing them to have some semblance of a normal life. - newbis, on 07/01/2009, -1/+10Really? Where did you get those stats? MADD? Yeah, I'm sure they're unbiased.
- Tenareth, on 07/01/2009, -0/+9I agree, that is the dumbest thing ever... you are pretty much just saying "The risk is higher if you try to sleep it off, so just go for it."
I talked to a DWI mandatory training instructor (that class they make you take to determine if you need counseling) and while she is obviously a strong fighter against Drunk Driving, she thought that was the dumbest thing the police can do.
Ultimately, if you drive away from a Pub and hit the road and immediately think "*****, I should NOT be driving" you are now forced to find a hotel (more driving) or you might as well just go for it.
She said there were even people that were at rest areas that got snagged with a DWI because the keys were in their pocket. - Coven, on 07/01/2009, -5/+14Who is talking about preemptively arresting anybody? Drunk driving IS a crime, regardless of whether or not anybody gets hurt in the process. I think you need to read Aria's comment again and rethink your stance.
- socokoolaid, on 07/01/2009, -1/+10This is just meant to line someone's pockets.
- Takfam, on 07/01/2009, -0/+9You ***** party-loyal voters suck. Partisan politics are not a major cause of progress in the country. We waste tons of time on this ***** bickering.
- newbis, on 07/01/2009, -0/+9Not everybody lives in a city. Taxis are hard to come by in very rural areas.
- aliengoods, on 07/01/2009, -0/+8Sure, until the unit malfunctions and you have to pay $200 for a tow, and then $300 to get it fixed so you can drive your car again. How are you going to feel about it at that point?
- CyclonusRIP, on 07/01/2009, -0/+8DUI laws are pretty much all BS. Sure there is a real danger when someone is too drunk to drive, but does so anyway, but the laws don't really reflect that safety concern anymore. Basically it's an easy thing for a politician to do to say he's tough on drunk driving and make tougher laws, and you can't really argue against it as a politician or else it'll come back to be used against you. So they lower the legal limit, and make all kinds of other BS up to make the laws tougher so they can say they're tough on drunk driving. Plus DUIs are a huge racket now anyways. Lawyers get a few grand for representing you the state gets their fine plus probation money for a year. The DUI schools get paid.
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