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- DavidNiven, on 09/03/2009, -3/+54You can pump all the money in the world into a company that produces mostly crap...and it will only delay the inevitable.
- mparker21311, on 09/03/2009, -1/+27Goal of the story:
Even the new Chrysler vehicles are clunkers. - frequentFlyer, on 09/03/2009, -1/+25The only difference between a person's clunker car and a Chrysler is the payments.
- FredFredrickson, on 09/03/2009, -1/+22This is pretty good evidence that people really just don't want Chrysler's cars. Let them go bankrupt now so we can move on to bigger and better things, please.
- johnnyrotten, on 09/03/2009, -0/+17I wouldn't buy a Chrysler because I just can't be sure they'll still be around in a few years to support their customers. I owned a 1991 Alfa Spider, which was sold and serviced by Chrysler in the US, and after only 3 years it was very difficult to get them to do any warranty work.
- FruitFocker, on 09/03/2009, -1/+16Wait Chrysler sucks? Really?
- bizkit00, on 09/03/2009, -1/+15Next time make cheap, fuel efficient cars like the Asian manufacturers... Most people that I know who have clunkers who heard about the Cash for Clunkers program immediately thought about Honda, Toyota, etc.
- crunchdigg, on 09/03/2009, -2/+12no, they were not. They were up 5 percent from July 2009.
Chrysler july 2008 sales: 98,109 units
Chrysler august 2008 sales: 110,235 units
Chrysler july 2009 sales: 88,900 units
Chrysler august 2009 sales: 93,222 units
http://jalopnik.com/399716/chrysler-sales-drop-29- ...
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2008/09/03/0985 ...
http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.a ...
http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_content_land ... - AmazingA, on 09/03/2009, -0/+10Yes it did help Toyota, and they have 5 manufacturing plants in the US. Not to mention all the jobs that Toyota creates in the United States from dealerships, advertising, repair, parts providers, etc..
Ford also had a 17% increase in sales. - DankBuddz, on 09/03/2009, -0/+10Took the words right out of my mouth.
- schoate09, on 09/03/2009, -0/+10Chrysler has 2 fundamental problems:
1. They make the most boring cars, aside from the Dodge Challenger and Charger, the Chrylser line looks like the Geriatric patient line, and Dodge's other vehicles are crap. As for Jeep, they're an ever-declining market.
2. Even though Ford and GM (to a degree_ have solved reliability issues, Chrysler is still lagging, and they've had the worst history of the 3. - DavidNiven, on 09/03/2009, -1/+11I know, I know. But, it was the government using taxpayer money to help finance deals to keep the car industry, in this case Chrysler, afloat.
Whether this or corporate bailouts or government loans, the bottom line is that the government was interceding economically to help a car company that mostly sucks. - FredFredrickson, on 09/03/2009, -0/+9It's not about the number of car companies in the market - it's about what each one has to offer. There's room for a hundred domestic car companies in the US, if they all offer something economically viable, like the Japanese manufacturers have been doing for decades now.
- enozten, on 09/03/2009, -0/+7could you imagine someone ever waking up and saying, damn, today i really wanna buy a chrysler.
- Whamola, on 09/03/2009, -4/+11Good.
- Mosi13, on 09/03/2009, -0/+7We really have need for 1maybe 2 domestic car companies...
There's a reason why Chrysler keeps *almost* going bankrupt - FredFredrickson, on 09/03/2009, -4/+9What the hell does that even mean in this context?
Oh wait, right, right, you're one of those imbeciles who thinks he's being impossibly clever by bitterly posting a campaign slogan from the last election's winner in a completely non-related news submission on Digg.
It sure will be nice when you guys finally let it go and find something else to do with your lives. - FearlessFreep, on 09/03/2009, -0/+5The whole goal was really just to pump cash fast into the automakers but disguised as an eco-program. Rather than just a strait bailout they tried to hide the intent with the claim of getting bad cars of the road but it was really just a bailout. Unfortunately, it didn't really work at either goal because a) most people bought Japanese, b) you would need to take a lot of cars off the road to make an eco-difference worth mentioning (more than a few mpg improvement c) You can only do that every few years because most people don't need a new car that often and d) the automakers didn't have enough product to push
- Urrelles, on 09/03/2009, -0/+5Fact: Toyota creates their American cars in America therefore giving Americans jobs.
- schoate09, on 09/03/2009, -1/+6We were trying to
a) Help the environment
b) Help American workers. Toyota, Honda, and Nissan have many plants in the United States, Chrylser recently announced they're moving all manufacturing to Canada. GM has had Canadian plants for a while. - schoate09, on 09/03/2009, -0/+4I agree, the market is declining because of the green initiative and the price of gas, but Jeep's quality is upheld in the Wrangler, and only the Wrangler.
- vilago, on 09/03/2009, -1/+5don't forget the jap cars are more reliable too.
- nickymouse, on 09/03/2009, -0/+4to be fair, Daimler has not given Chrysler parts for it's new cars. Chrysler is looking to sue them for breach of contract.
- anonymous10, on 09/03/2009, -0/+3"Soft Corinthian Leather"
This is why Chrysler are boned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIL3fbGbU2o - FearlessFreep, on 09/03/2009, -0/+3Not "can't", just "won't take the needed steps to and rather hide behind political protectionism"
- bigteebo, on 09/03/2009, -1/+4Chrylser had an important role of the cash for clunkers program: They provided the clunkers. Really, where are chry's high fuel economy and/or hybrid and/or subcompact offerings?
- vilago, on 09/03/2009, -1/+4it just shows who has the real political influence in this country
- LinuxPerson, on 09/03/2009, -0/+3Many of us have been saying this for a long time. As in, before we spent billions trying to save them.
- 4degrees, on 09/03/2009, -1/+4of course, it was a cash for clunkers campaign, not a clunker for clunker campaign. people spent their money on a decent car?
- jpgr87, on 09/03/2009, -3/+6Better no car than a mopar.
- Jektal, on 09/03/2009, -1/+3In response to #1: Can most people tell the difference between a Challenger and a Charger? And don't forget the Crossfire in Chrysler's interesting-car lineup. Jeep would do just fine if they would focus on the Wrangler and stop trying to diversify and spread out into the mainstream.
- marinist, on 09/03/2009, -1/+3According to US News and World report, the top 10 new cars exchanged for clunkers:
1. Ford Focus
2. Honda Civic
3. Toyota Corolla
4. Toyota Prius
5. Ford Escape
6. Toyota Camry
7. Dodge Caliber
8. Hyundai Elantra
9. Honda Fit
10. Chevy Cobalt
Source: http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_content_land ... - schoate09, on 09/03/2009, -0/+2Yes, they're very different looking. The Challenger, IMHO, is a better looking car.
The crossfire is neat, but it required too much engineering, is too expensive, and doesn't sell well. - Taiyoryu, on 09/03/2009, -1/+3Well if Fiat can leverage Chrysler to reestablish a US distribution channel, then we could see Chrysler bounce back or fade to non-existence as Fiat takes over dealerships and whatnot. I could see the Punto and Bravo being sold here. Heck the Punto looks like a direct competitor of Ford's upcoming Fiesta. Maybe the Sedici could make it over here, but then again I'm not huge a fan of Suzuki's version of the same car. Fiat also has a line of boxy cars/vans too and for whatever reason boxy is in given the number of Honda Elements and Scion xBs/xDs I see on the road. Who knows? The 500/500c could be an alternative to the Mini and Smart Fortwo.
http://www.fiat.co.uk/ - wassim2k, on 09/03/2009, -2/+4Why is Chrysler still alive?
- Barackalypse, on 09/03/2009, -1/+2And sales typical rise month over month during a recession? The article makes it clear that Chrysler say a fraction of the sales increases that even crappy GM did.
- feliks2, on 09/03/2009, -0/+1Can't wait for some real Fiat influence in the small car arena.
- achansen121, on 09/03/2009, -1/+21. Toyota is the one that doesn't need help.
2. It was a waste of money. Of course, free money is going to boost the industry, but there are better ways to spend the money than a hand out to people with ***** cars.
3. You really think it will help the environment significantly? - simbait, on 09/03/2009, -0/+1I don't think that selling fiat cars such as new 500 (which is not that small) is a good idea in the US except maybe New York or San Francisco. Small cars sell in europe more for space concern than milage (try to drive a pickup in the center of Rome and you know what I mean). Most of the US has plenty of space.
I think the best from fiat-chrysler deal is: take Iveco Diesel Engines and put them in Chrysler Pickups and Vans. You'll almost double the milage and whatever you lose in power you will gain in torque (which most people will perceive as "power" in any case). - shininia, on 09/03/2009, -1/+2You'd have to pay taxes on it. You would lose.
- vilago, on 09/03/2009, -1/+2i would take it and then sell it for less than it was worth just to get the cash, since you can't sell a chrysler for its "real" value anyway. either way, you can't lose if it was free :P
- Smokeydabear, on 09/03/2009, -2/+3Dude, the program is *****, it's only going to help in the short term. If you believe the ***** cash for clunkers program is going to keep the economy from sliding further into disaster I have some swampland in Florida I think you'd be interested in.
- johnnyrotten, on 09/03/2009, -0/+1I bought my Spider (not Spyder) in 1991 from a Chrysler dealer and they did all of my service until I sold the car a few years later. According to this site http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/A ... Chrysler distributed Alfa Romeos in the US from 1989 to 1993.
- marinist, on 09/03/2009, -0/+1But that's ok, as long as the execs get cash for their clunker management skilz.
- Barackalypse, on 09/03/2009, -2/+3Look on the bright side, it could be a lot worse, the US Treasury Department only owns 9.8% of Chrysler as opposed to owning 61% of GM (which represents a whole lot more wasted money when it goes under).
- Trick07, on 09/04/2009, -0/+1We had a new Dodge Caravan last month when we went on vacation in Hawaii, it has a little under 4,000 miles and as a new rental car, it ran well and got decent mileage considering we always had 7 people in it. The engine was weak and thrashy though. The interior was rental car boring.
In Kauai we rented two Jeep Wrangler's from Thrifty, one had 17,000 miles and was rough, the one I drove had 38,000+ miles and was in sad condition. Rental cars always lead a hard life but you could tell these Jeeps had aged far more than usual for their mileage. - TheGuruStud, on 09/03/2009, -0/+1If by charger you mean srt8. Other than that they're fat, slow and bulky. That's not fun to drive.
- JQP123, on 09/03/2009, -0/+1We really have need for however many domestic car companies can compete successfully in the marketplace. Right now, it looks like that number is zero.
- amorougen, on 09/03/2009, -0/+1For those with short memories or few years of age. Chrysler was regarded as the most efficient car manufacturer in the US and the press was raving about the product at the time it was sold out to Daimler Benz. Daimler Benz got rid of the successful management team, and brought in their
German genius (just ask them) - you can see it in the product line Chrysler has today. Chrysler was drained, then the carcass was essentially given to the Three Headed Dog, whose management skills were displayed for all to see and drained even further virtually into a husk. - JQP123, on 09/03/2009, -0/+1"(except their truck lines)"
No, their trucks are pretty mediocre too but all the good ole boys buy American regardless. -
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