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- spencert, on 06/03/2008, -9/+114I love BMW's
- ophello, on 06/04/2008, -3/+97This will never work. It's too logical.
- magicjohnson, on 06/03/2008, -5/+87this is ***** amazing
- ferrariboy430, on 06/03/2008, -4/+74too bad its a 7 series because its so expencive but awsome.
- KyjL, on 06/04/2008, -4/+68Only the crazy-ass Germans could come up with this sort of thing and make it a reality.
Us Americans and our poor-ass Detroit crap :( - inactive, on 06/04/2008, -2/+54GERMANEERING FTW.
- rawg, on 06/03/2008, -2/+33Nice way to work off the pollution karma.
- aussieNickuss, on 06/04/2008, -3/+30Have you not seen the Tesla Roadster? That car has real power and it's all electric.
- flavioribeiro, on 06/04/2008, -2/+27What they neglect to say is that all hydrogen engines "break down carbon dioxide". Even though the article gives zero details, BMW's engine probably has nothing special about it. If you power your regular gasoline engine with hydrogen (something that is quite easy to do) it will also break down carbon dioxide.
As someone has already mentioned, this is "reverse combustion", and will steal a little bit of performance. But the carbon breakdown is so small that any performance hit or environmental effect would be negligible, given that in a real hydrogen engine all the carbon would come from the air, where it is present in very low concentrations.
Consider that we have no environmentally friendly way to produce hydrogen in large scale, and you'll see that this is not practical and won't be for decades (if at all). IMHO it's marketing ***** to make BWM look good. Just stop driving SUVs and consider using biofuels (but not corn ethanol, which is a gimmick worse than the Fed). - mizike, on 06/04/2008, -1/+22is it more than is emitted during the manufacturing of the average car?
- Gryffydd, on 06/04/2008, -0/+20Ahh, the German mind, capable of making no mistake but the very greatest.
Remember the last time they did something with Hydrogen?
/bad Hindenburg joke...sorry. - RustyJ, on 06/04/2008, -2/+22Electric motors are full, instantaneous torque at 0 rpms. The second you touch the pedal, you exert full torque. There are several electric cars right now that have a 0-60 time of under 3 seconds. An electric beemer would haul hardcore ass.
- BlueSkyfish, on 06/04/2008, -0/+182 H2 + O2 ------> 2 H2O + Δ
- gtluke, on 06/04/2008, -1/+18how do you get hydrogen? MAGIC!!!!
- galvo, on 06/04/2008, -2/+17It's still not an E30 M3...
- AWBoy666, on 06/04/2008, -3/+18BMW is one of the few companies in the world that will really invest capital in green technologies with no hope of ever recouping the investment. I love BMW and will always be a loyal customer.
BF.C FTMFW! - soupnrc, on 06/04/2008, -1/+16The cool thing about this car: It's not ugly as sin like most "Alternative-Fuel" vehicles.
It's actually pretty classy looking.
Well done BMW, well done. - inactive, on 06/04/2008, -10/+24SHHH! don't mention the stuff that was emitted during the manufacturing processes.
- DforSpiD, on 06/04/2008, -1/+13They'll have to use their mother's SUV...
- robeph, on 06/04/2008, -1/+13I assume one of two qualifying although incorrect notions may have gone into this A) The Hindenburg or B) Hydrogen Bomb. Let me first explain the Hindenburg. It's capacity was 200,000 cubic meters. This should be enough to bring a wee bit of disparity between the assumption that the Hindenburg made a huge ball of flame and that of a car which will hold much less. On that note, the Hindenburg was a massive fireball, however, I'd not term it "explosion," although I'm sure there were some large pressures at work at the initial flameburst. Second, Hydrogen bomb. First if all this a bireactionary weapon. Fission bomb creates pressures / heat to cause fusion of the fusionable material (most often a heavy isotope of hydrogen such as tritium or deuterium NIETHER of which would be used in hydrogen burning vehicles (Natural deuterium exists in atmospheric hydrogen, however I'm sure we'd be using electrolysized hydrogen in vehicles), and even if it was, it's not being fused, just "oxidized" aka burnt, so you'd end up with...I guess some heavy water, which also exists...but I digress. Hydrogen is flammable, so is gas, it's not a bad thing and it doesn't really heat quick enough to be much more explosive than gasoline...which also isn't very explosive unless contained in unventilated areas or exposed under pressure to flashpoint heats.
Now what concerns me with hydrogen vehicles is hydrogen embrittlment of metals. Hydrolized iron becomes very brittle (less ductile, less giving, doesn't bend and is much more likely to crack, although thinking of bending an engine isn't in the norm, it bends/expands, and this could cause problems especially in moving parts/pistons etc.) A good example of this is the titanic, although it was sulfur from the smelt ovens that made the steel in the boat brittle (sulfur does the same thing basically as hydrogen in iron) due to the fact they, well , had sulfur in their ovens. So when it hit that iceberg the whole ship fractured through all the flood ballasts etc. Interesting to read up on, and very relevant to hydrogen fueled vehicles.... - yuanzhoulu, on 06/04/2008, -0/+11hydrogen is a storage mechanism, not an energy source. remember that as of now, it usually takes a crapload of gasoline or natural gas or other resource to *make* molecular hydrogen from compounds on earth. free hydrogen is not available to us.
so no, the car doesn't "clean" the air unless the hydrogen production is entirely green. - ferrariman60, on 06/04/2008, -0/+11Not exactly a production car, but still. They name a unit cost of about a Million each for the experimental, but fully functional, prototypes. Nice name, btw. :)
- martian, on 06/04/2008, -0/+9And where does the hydrogen come from?
- elTito, on 06/04/2008, -0/+9Uhh...fuel cell vehicles convert hydrogen to electricity which drives....wait for it....
an electric motor.
And the 0 RPM torque of a good electric motor (ala Tesla Roadster) will suck your eyeballs out of your head and make you ***** your spine. I dunno where people get these wacky ideas from. Electric motors slow? LoLz - ferrariman60, on 06/04/2008, -2/+11This thing has been out for over a year and a half, launched at the LA Auto show. In 2006. I love the internet time machine. Still, as they say in the ad featuring this car:
"Ready for the world, when the world is ready." - wrenchone, on 06/04/2008, -2/+10Two things-
First, the car DOES NOT directly take in and use CO2. It's a normal hydrogen car with super clean emissions.
Second, The blog spam is 3 blogs deep for this. - http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-9921402-48.ht ... - Falldog, on 06/04/2008, -2/+9If you look hard enough you can see an ATMOS bumper sticker.
- tuxerware, on 06/04/2008, -0/+6It could be emission free, that depends on how the electricity is produced. Perhaps you should go back to class first?
- wbgo, on 06/04/2008, -0/+6If he'd meant the grilles, he'd have said grilles. He said 'bonnet'. Perhaps, when someone uses a word you don't know, it'd be better to look it up before insulting their intelligence. You'll find yourself looking less stupid less often.
- burchie2, on 06/03/2008, -10/+16i really think that hydrogen is the future. i know that there are still hurdles to overcome, but hydrogen engines will always be better than electric ones, because they actually offer real power similar to that of a gasoline engine. an electric beemer would ***** suck.
- Neddiw, on 06/04/2008, -0/+6DUGG! for the balanced chemical equation
- GawtMilk, on 06/04/2008, -0/+5"According to our engineers, tailpipe water can be quite delicious."
That's a really great ad. Pompous, sure, but hell...it's BMW! They have the right to be pompous. - borez, on 06/04/2008, -0/+5By burning fossil fuels to make electricity at a 40% loss by the time it gets to the car.
Great isn't it, wonder fuel = fail. - Amazetbm, on 06/04/2008, -0/+5No...regular combustion with a clear fuel.
- GeorgeStone2, on 06/04/2008, -0/+5Question.
As this presumably has a minus CO2 emission rating...
Does that mean brown has to pay _us_ road tax?
And when we enter london _we_ get £10.
Well?!
This green tax ***** should work both ways. - dark_helmet, on 06/04/2008, -0/+5Its not just a hybrid, its hydrogen powered. The only emissions are from the generating stations used to create the hydrogen. So if you use say wind/solar/tidal you have no CO2 emissions.
- V3NOM, on 06/04/2008, -0/+5Probably less than a car running on gasoline will emit over its lifetime, so I think it's pretty damn good.
- Smills, on 06/04/2008, -0/+5We have crazy taxes on cars. Do not come to Australia if you want to buy a... well... anything really.
- Bith8654, on 06/04/2008, -0/+5@Ethergnat
Well did you consider:
1. The total milage it can get on a full tank, compared to an electric car.
2. The time it takes to refuel at apposed to recharging an electric car.
Electric cars could actually have the advantage for both points, I have no idea :P - DroidBlender, on 09/18/2008, -0/+4As I was standing outside on Westwood & Wilshire (Los Angeles) waiting for the bus, this car went by me, and I gawked at it for a full three minutes as it was waiting for the light to change. It looked just like a series 7 BMW, just with green "hydrogen powered" all over it. It was probably coming back from the Car Expo in Santa Monica. I remember reading about this car before I actually saw it in person, and I was actually planning on taking the bus over to the expo, so yeah, it was pretty cool.
Since I became interested, I spoke to the manager of a BMW dealership, and he said the car should be out in 2 years, but he recommended I wait 3 years before I get one, because the company is still ironing out the kinks and is working out a cheaper production process. If you plan on being an early adopter or a "beta tester", prepare to shell out $100k, and don't expect that to go towards a purchase, BMW will most likely only lease out these cars for a select few in mid 2009. - GT35R, on 06/04/2008, -0/+4I disagree. I am a huge auto enthusiast and I do believe that electric engines show significant advantages in many departments. For one they have a very flat torque curve which means that you get instant power even at low RPMs. Unlike Gasoline engines which have to reach a certain RPM before the torque and horsepower kicks in. Electric engines tend to be more responsive.
- Salinesolucion, on 06/04/2008, -1/+5this is a brilliant idea - can't wait to see it come to market
- inactive, on 06/04/2008, -0/+4No I meant the ribbed hood, a "bonnet" (British term, like Bonnet Stripes...) with ribs.. The 7 series normally has two, in this model, it has four. The S class Jaguar has 4, albeit a little more gradual...
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jc/images/0 ...
I know the signature grill, but will refrain from insulting your intelligence and inferences any further. - Chode2235, on 06/04/2008, -0/+4Because Germany's government has created incentives for green technologies. They are leading the world in solar, and now it looks like fuel cells and hydrogen powered card.
This is what happens when a countries government effectively uses its leverage. - SkittlesUSA, on 06/04/2008, -1/+5Do you honestly think they are investing in green technology without hope of a profit?
It's called the market. There is a demand for green technology, so the market will supply it.
It is very naive to think that they will "invest capital in green technologies with no hope of ever recouping the investment."
They really don't *care* about the environment, but they will give their customers what they want. And if that's green technology, they'll do it. - ThEDeMoNKiNg, on 06/04/2008, -1/+5How far can it go on a single tank?
- jp0692, on 06/04/2008, -1/+5The hydrogen engine definitely is the future. I've had first-hand experience with GM's hydrogen SUV and that thing HAULS ASS. Now the only thing keeping them out of consumers' hands is the price.
- Thomaschaaf, on 06/04/2008, -0/+4Now I want this technology in a real car like a... Volkswagen Golf GTI?
- perral1, on 06/04/2008, -0/+3I don't think this is the same one. The article specifically says that this 7 is different than the hydrogen/gasoline hybrid currently in production.
- PeTeRZz, on 06/04/2008, -5/+8Great, now emo kids can't kill themselves in their garage with their daddys BMW
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