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- chicagospur, on 12/20/2007, -0/+14Wow, a diesel BMW! Whoever would have thought it possible?
They've only been making these for about 20 years... - officecamel, on 12/20/2007, -2/+11Listen up you little fairy troll--my stuff was submitted 19 seconds before yours. Go back to your hideout under a bridge.
- officecamel, on 12/20/2007, -0/+9It is green if you use biofuel, and consider the increased fuel efficiency.
- robogobo, on 12/20/2007, -0/+9This is news for the US. Nothing new in Europe though.
- ultralights, on 12/20/2007, -0/+7MPG increase is minimal??? so 30% isnt minimal then?
i have 3 cars, one running unleaded, one running LPG, and a diesel work van (mercedes) my vito will go 600km on 45 ltrs of diesel, about the same as your average 4 cyl small car, but considering it does it while carrying a tonne cargo, and has the aerodynamics of a house brick, thats pretty good, not to mention, its faster than my corolla. - boflaade, on 12/20/2007, -0/+5"More than half the cars BMW sells in Europe today are powered by a variety of four-, six- and eight-cylinder diesel engines." These aren't your fathers (or grandfathers) diesels. They are some of the cleanest types out there.
- xtc46, on 12/20/2007, -0/+4and they have made them prior to this. (in the 80s) this is just a new diesel and coming t the US.
- erekose, on 12/20/2007, -0/+4Check out the Hydrogen Seven
- TomP, on 12/20/2007, -0/+4To go with your 3 ps3's?
- pagemap, on 12/20/2007, -0/+4How about you ***** quit making digg into some online ego contest, it doesn't ***** MATTER who submitted the story 19 seconds before you...
How about talking about the article being dugg? - sajnikanth, on 12/20/2007, -0/+4I am curious as to why diesel vehicles are not popular in other countries. In India, most automobile manufacturers offer a diesel variant. In fact, we even have a diesel motorcycle!
- bigtomrodney, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3No that was a 330d
- tuxerware, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3yes but modern "green" diesel cars have particle filter that remove a lot of the heavy particles you are talking about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_particulate_fi ...
I'm buying a 1,4L Seat Ibiza Diesel and you get great mpg and low CO2 emissions.
http://www.duemotori.com/news/auto_news/20919_Seat ... - itseffinkasey, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3I'll only let you do that as long as you give one to me.
- pogle, on 12/20/2007, -1/+4Waiting for the H7 to drop
- darwinwin, on 06/18/2009, -1/+4I Want one of these ......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- ultralights, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3some countries have anti diesel tax laws, australia has more tax on diesel than any other fuel, 1 ltr of unleaded costs $1.45, 1 ltr of diesel will cost you $1.55
- 80hd, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3E85 is far worse. In fact biodiesel is almost the exact opposite of ethanol in terms of efficiency.
To go "green" this car doesn't need fermentation to deliver a fuel that yields 60% of the energy per unit of gasoline.... - 80hd, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2Fossil fuels? You can put soybean oil in the tank and it will get higher mileage than a "green" hybrid prius or insight burning e85. Hell I think a biodiesel car even beats a hybrid that is burning standard fuel.
- Amazetbm, on 12/20/2007, -0/+21)Most modern BMW's run on premium gasoline which usually hovers around the same price as diesel, the price difference is minimal.
2) The Diesel cycle has always been more fuel efficient than the Otto cycle (gasoline) by at least 30%. When you compare both engine types with the same cylinder count on the same platform. The also put out more torque at the same horse power.
3) The diesel pollution that you speak of in Dallas is caused by high sulfur diesel. Now that low sulfur diesel is mandatory, those polluting emissions will drop by 80%. the UK was at the forefront of the Industrial Revolution, they already had a pollution problem before internal combustion engines were even...plus they've had low sulfur diesel for decades. - Amazetbm, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2I actually drove an E38 735d in Berlin. It performed well and had good mileage....better mileage than it's gasoline powered cousin in my garage. Made me want to transfer to Berlin office.
- ferrariman60, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2Don't hold your breath. It's a lot pricier and more complex to install a hydrogen infrastructure than it is a gasoline infrastructure. That said..... I agree, and I want a hydrogen 3. A 7 is sorta big for my needs and wants.
- rizzo2008, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2BMW 535i: 24-26 mpg combined
BMW 535d: 27 mpg city 37 mpg highway for a combined cycle of around 30-32 mpg.
That is a HUGE increase in efficiency and for highway cruising on a 20 gallon tank this thing can go 700+ miles (1100+ km) with no fill up - Amazetbm, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2The problem with diesels in the U.S. have not been the engines...it's been the fuel. Now that low-sulfur diesel is manditory those emissions are gonna have close to an 80% drop. As far as VW TDI...you could get an 05 Jetta for just over $20K. The crazy thing is `05 Jetta TDI's are worth more now than when they were originally sold due to their incredible mileage.
- GhostFreeman, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2Will it burn pure biodiesel? Because regular low-sulfur diesel costs as much (no, MORE) than gas.
- rizzo2008, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Most diesel engines (including this one hopefully) can run off biodiesel with little or no modification. In response to it not being green using your logic hybrids are not green either because they can still burn petroleum based fuels. Kudos to BMW for bringing this fantastic car to the United States.
- Amazetbm, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2Yeah they actually sold them hear in the early 80's but they stopped after the emissions standards got extra tough in Cali and other highly populated areas. Instead of heavily modifying their engines to meet the standards and compromising performance they just "***** it" and quit.
Now that low sulfur diesel has finally been mandated in the U.S. we should expect more models from them. Hopefully they'll bring the Alpina D3 over here too...eventually. - sammcj2000, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2MPG increase is NOT minimal do your research, family member owns a mid 90's 325d gets over 1000 kms a tank
- UrlorJkron, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2Also the price of diesel and gas are not always the same relative to one another. Diesel was 25 cents cheaper per gallon this summer than was the cheap gas.
- 80hd, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2Moon....
Biodiesel is cleaner than gasoline by a wide margin (even E85 which CUTS MPG BY 30%)
Most Diesel BMW's have a minimal increase in MPG because the horsepower is +100 on the same amount of fuel
Diesels that don't have increased horsepower are capable of 30-40% better mileage.
Name ONE car that gets 750 miles per tank. I bet it's not a Hybrid (though this is just about any VW turbo diesel) - rizzo2008, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Run it on biodiesel which is much easier and ecofriendly to produce than horrible ethanol.
- rizzo2008, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1and this isn't?
http://www.automobilemag.com/future_cars/2008/0604 ... - gthiruva, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1For this to be news, I'm guessing this is a T2B5 compliant 50 state diesel vehicle?
- deanypop, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1Emissions on the clean diesel cars are less than gas, the fuel costs less to refine, and as 80hd mentioned, ANY diesel can run biodiesel out of the box, and most can be converted to run off straight vegetable oil. So, yes, this is a green option.
The ideal would be biodiesel/electric hybrids that run off straight veggie oil - you never have a cold start problem with the electric motor, and once you're moving you can heat up the oil to kick it up to highway speeds. With Wesson running at ~$4/gallon, it's not far-fetched to think that it won't be too long before it's a helluva lot cheaper than gas/petro-diesel, too. - Amazetbm, on 12/27/2007, -0/+1Ha...and the 123d still gets better mileage after all of the performance gains.
- rizzo2008, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1As much as I love Top Gear Clarkson is wrong about diesels. He even proved that to himself when he raced a BMW 330d for th 24 hrs at Silverstone
- xtc46, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1and 40TB of pr0n
- sturgeongeneral, on 12/20/2007, -6/+7I think I will pick up three of these once they are available.
- rizzo2008, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1The BMW 123d gets around 55-60 mpg, 0-60 in 7 seconds, 300 lb-ft torque 200 hp, etc etc. I'd love to see a Prius or any other hybrid beat that (o wait they can't).
- rizzo2008, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1dugg for even if you don't believe in global warming petroleum resources are not unlimited
- williamdyer, on 01/03/2008, -0/+1I want a 1-series diesel hatchback, like the ones they have in Europe for a year now. That would get better mileage than my Mini.
- rizzo2008, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Not if it is more efficient and can run off biodiesel.
- otw7, on 01/02/2008, -0/+1I guess how green a car is depends solely on its mpg, who knew.
- carolineiscool, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1it really depends on the kind of ethanol you speak of, corn is ***** yes, but sugarcane or cellulosic ethanol...not so much. sure diesel has a higher output of energy per unit of gasoline but there are some optimistic outlooks on cellulosic ethanol, which has the potential for v e r y low GH emissions in its production and use, as well as providing a fuel with reasonably high energy output.
- trev0006, on 03/12/2008, -0/+1In California where I live diesel is way more expensive then regular gas so I don't know if I will save. http://www.discountpartcenter.com/
- inactive, on 12/30/2007, -0/+1God bless the short term lease!
- omaryak, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2Diesel hybrid, green — maybe. Diesel only, no dice.
- zenerdiode, on 12/20/2007, -2/+2Yay for NOx and heavy particulates. There's a reason why diesels haven't been sold in the US in the past...it can't pass emissions of certain states (CA and MA being two of them). These new generation of diesels are barely able to meet the current max limits for heavy particulates. But in order to achieve that, they gotta use uber expensive emissions controls systems. That's why you'll see that most of the new diesels being sold in CA are Bimmers or Benz. People will fork over $40K+ for those...but for a VW? Not a chance.
And before someone asks...well, what about all those turbo-diesel trucks that have been running around forever? They don't have to meet the same emissions regulations as passenger cars. That's why you can by a Dodge Ram Turbo Diesel for cheaper than a diesel passenger car. -
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