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- inactive, on 12/20/2007, -4/+27really the germans invaded the UK - interesting - thanks for the history lesson professor
- hellas1g7, on 12/20/2007, -7/+27i do not blame them, the English have more of the Parthenon then Greece does and wont give it back
- Hermiod, on 12/20/2007, -3/+23Britain's issues right now with Russia have nothing to do with the US. They are a direct result of the murder of Alexander Litvinenko and the Russians refusal to extradite the man our police believe to be responsible.
Since then both sides have been "suddenly" expelling each other's "diplomats" (and by "diplomats" I mean spies). - endustry, on 12/20/2007, -8/+21Russian art?
- inactive, on 12/20/2007, -8/+18if you think the brits are above thieving priceless art and artifacts from other nations, talk to the egyptians!
- alkajazz, on 12/20/2007, -16/+22I bet some of that art used to be owned by the UK. No telling what the Germans made off with during WWII. No telling what the Soviets made off with after WWII.
- four2five, on 12/20/2007, -0/+6Just read the story, it's all in there.
The issue is there are lawsuits involving some of the art that would be displayed. It was 'acquired' after the 1917 revolution and heirs are trying to get it back.
It's pretty similar to someone that's wanted for a crime setting foot in a country that has extradition agreements with the country that is seeking them. If you don't want your stuff yanked, don't put it somewhere it might get yanked.
Britain could come out and say they'll guard it but that's there call. Do they want art at the risk of pissing of other countries? - latrosicarius, on 12/20/2007, -6/+12Why wouldn't England just give Russia their word they will give it back? Seems pretty simple to me.
- Haecceity, on 12/20/2007, -0/+6Babychen's account of this story is a travesty. The Russian government is worried that private individuals will sue to recover art in the exhibition and through injunctions prevent it from leaving the UK. They are not saying (and neither is the BBC article) that the UK government is going to seize the art.
- mkc509, on 12/20/2007, -6/+11UK is the biggest thief in all of history. Don't even start your sh*t about other countries stealing from UK. They plundered many countries for a very long time (e.g. some of the world's biggest diamonds from India).
- Crimsoneer, on 12/20/2007, -2/+7Also, the man we asked to be extradited has now been elected to parliament. Which is just not a nice thing to do.
- sonycam, on 12/21/2007, -1/+6Although I'm British, I'm not trying to say that we have a right to other cultures artwork, but with Egypt, explorers went over there many years ago before there were laws around these things. That doesn't make it right but who has the right to it? The Egyptian government? The Egyptian people? The people who paid for the expeditions? Who are we supposed to hand over invaluable artifacts to?
Also, we have beef with Russia at the moment because the Russian government killed a Russian citizen in our land and refuses to hand killer over. I'm not going to lose sleep over Russian art. - BabyWookie, on 12/20/2007, -2/+6You do no that Russia has an amazing wealth of literary and artistic heritage, don't you? You know, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Tolstoy, Chekhov, Benois, Serov, etc, etc.
- inactive, on 12/21/2007, -0/+4Yes because as we know radioactive material is easily got off ebay and anyone can infect whoever.
- alkajazz, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3You must be an idiot. Who is to say art that was in possession of the French didn't belong to the British at one time? Is it that far of a stretch to think that?
- iwitnessreports, on 12/20/2007, -6/+9English stealing from other countries? now that's very old news. I wish commonwealth countries had the balls to demand all that was stolen and is still displayed in Britain.
- falkonv7l, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3you must have been just seconds before me.
- culter, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3This reminds me ... Prior to the October revolution in 1917 a large amount of crown jewels and other valuable items were sent to England for 'safe keeping' and were never returned. I can only say: Once bitten twice shy!
- mikes1, on 12/20/2007, -1/+3Uh, re-read your history. The issue revolves around private artworks siezed during the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, well before WW2.
- inactive, on 12/20/2007, -2/+4Epic failure
- LittleDas, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Buried as inaccurate, no such thing as Russian art.
(I kid) - JohnP, on 12/20/2007, -1/+3Muh... The guy is a popular russian politician now.. why would they prosecute him?..
The problem is that the UK is always mocked and painted in bad light in situations like this because of cultural hate. How are we doing the wrong thing by following basic human rights rules... Its like the Iranian hostage taking recently, mocked for not nuking Iran.. :S
How would the russians like it if we just forgot all legal proceedings and send the SAS to kill the guy?... See where this is going?.. - felyduw, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Or the greeks.
- pcpimpster, on 12/20/2007, -1/+3You must know, no is not know, it is know
- BabyWookie, on 12/21/2007, -1/+3Alexander Benois and Serov are both artists. No architects here. Notice how I said "literary and astistic heritage". I decided to name two comprosers, two authors and two painters that make for good, well-known examples of Russia's rich cultural heritage. ...and yes, Dostoyevsky is amazing.
- slimnickyy, on 12/21/2007, -1/+3Yea but stating it'll go back forms a contract and thus is enforceable in the court.
- endustry, on 12/21/2007, -1/+3Other than Valentin Serov (if that is even indeed the Serov you're talking about), everyone you mention is either an author/playwright, architect or musician/composer. This article is about an exchange of artworks. Focus your retorts or else no one will think you're as smart as you think you are.
PS: I do love Chekov's short stories. Not so much the plays. Tolstoy was good but that other guy, the one whose name starts with a D....he was better. - sonycam, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Because the suspect was using poison which cost $100m and so that rules out any individual, it was definitely a government. The Russian government had wanted him dead for a long time. There was traces of poison everywhere the suspect went, from his hotel to the cafes right down to his seat he sat in when he watched the arsenal football game. If he's so innocent why are they being so protective?
- Mockylock, on 12/20/2007, -2/+3ALL YOUR ART ARE BELONG TO US!
- matadata, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1"No!" says the man in Moscow.
- BabyWookie, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2Actually, the Soviets had some of their greatest national treasures, such as the famed "Amber Room" pillaged by the Axis invaders.
- BabyWookie, on 12/20/2007, -4/+5What can the Russians do? Their Constitution explicitly prohibits the extradition of Russian nationals to foreign agencies. What would the US do if some country proposed we change our Constitution in order to accommodate their needs? If the British actually have enough evidence, they should turn it over to the Russians and let them prosecute him.
- JohnP, on 12/20/2007, -4/+5So because the UK was a great seat of civilisation and where a huge percentage of modern politics, science and technology came from, we are thieves?..
Look up something called "looting" and "grave robbing".. The great European art collections probably preserved some of the most fascinating knowledge and art on the planet. But clearly a much cultured ***** like yourself knows everything and can pass judgement on anyone.. - inactive, on 12/20/2007, -5/+6I agree fully the UK is that chubby spoilt kid that steals from your room then throws a squeeling temper tantrum when you take back whats yours.
- latrosicarius, on 01/03/2008, -0/+1In whose court? They are different _countries_. England is not held to responsibility in a Russian court of law.
Besides, do you really think (in my example) that you could battle such an agreement in a legal court and come out with a successful ruling that the math teacher must give you an A+ because the janitor said so? I don't. Even if the janitor put his agreement in writing on school letterhead and signed it in blood... it still wouldn't mean anything because he has no authority to be making the agreement in the first place...
Same reason minors cannot be held to any legal contracts they sign. They don't have the ability to consent on behalf of themselves, in the eyes of the courts. - look4alec, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1"It belongs to everyone!"
- pcpimpster, on 12/22/2007, -0/+1But they are horribly correct.
- jamyz, on 01/18/2008, -0/+1Russian troll, MI6? Maybe you mean the SIS?
Perhaps you would like to enlighten us where "MI6" could get it's hands on polonium 210, which is only manufactured in a few places, the major manufacturer of course is Russia.
Russian asking for truth, NOW THATS FUNNY, Russian's run from the truth because the refuse to look at themselves and their history objectively, it must be hard coming from a country that is one of the biggest mass murderer of their own citizens in history. ***** country, a ***** people but there is good news, they are dying out, they are AIDS ridden, poor poor barbarians soon be forgotten in the garbage can of history. - inactive, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Britain and USA have been closely aligned for nearly a century, where have you been?
- inactive, on 12/22/2007, -0/+1only you apparently
- inactive, on 12/21/2007, -2/+2Whatever you say comrade
- Haecceity, on 12/21/2007, -2/+2They have. It's in the article.
- niczar, on 12/20/2007, -10/+10He must be american. They seem to have a very strange idea of WWII, such as it starting in 1942. Most of them seem to believe that they were fighting AGAINST the russians; or that the US single-handedly defeated the nazis.
- mattw, on 12/20/2007, -5/+5Piss Off
- latrosicarius, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1But the russians feel that the folks who made that promise aren't high-up enough to ensure that the promise is kept.
It's like me making the school janitor promise that he will give me an A+ in math class. He can say "yes", but it doesn't mean anything. - JohnP, on 12/20/2007, -2/+2Doesnt that support the fact that the UK agrees with the idea that people can OWN art and artefacts?... Which means these paintings would belong to Russia, and be returned...
- EbowUK, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1"Also, we have beef with Russia at the moment because the Russian government killed a Russian citizen in our land and refuses to hand killer over. I'm not going to lose sleep over Russian art."
Humm, do you have proof of that (that the govt did it), or do you just believe what ITV news tells you (eg. "Tonight's SHOCKING TRAGIC DEVASTATING NEWS!!! kitten SAVAGED by GRANDMOTHER!!").
Also, the UK has 30+ people Russia wants handed over and the UK govt won't do it.
Multiple news sources can be helpful when composing soundbites for Digg :) ITV is only good for... um... no, not good for anything. - matadata, on 12/21/2007, -0/+0I was wondering if anyone would catch that reference. Thanks!
- inactive, on 12/21/2007, -3/+3Europeans also have a twisted view of history. They think Russia saved Europe from the Nazis yet Russia invaded Poland WITH Hitler.
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