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- redwolfwalker, on 07/15/2009, -3/+14"Are there any special ways of acquiring a large perspective? Yes. First, by living perceptively; so the farmer, faced with a fateful immensity day after day, may become patient and wise. Secondly, by studying things in space through science; partly in this way Einstein became wise. Thirdly, by studying events in time through history. "May my son study history," said Napoleon, "for it is the only true philosophy, the only true psychology;" thereby we learn both the nature and the possibilities of man. The past is not dead; it is the sum of the factors operating in the present. The present is the past rolled up into a moment for action; the past is the present unraveled in history for our understanding." (from the article)
- PlanckTime, on 07/16/2009, -0/+4Amusing, but ultimately off topic. This was a well written piece on wisdom and worth meditating on. Let's not sully it with political conversations.
- razor150, on 07/16/2009, -1/+5Wow, some people can reduce anything to partisan hackery.
Since you are down on teleprompters, because that is what the cool Republicans are going on about. How is a teleprompter any different then index cards or sheets of paper all Presidents have used?
If you think any politician, Republican or Democratic, says anything in a speech that isn't pre-written then you are a fool. They even use canned lines in interviews so they don't end up saying anything that hasn't been filtered first.
Also, the link you posted. Terrible. However you do get bonus points for posting a partisan hack site as if it is authoritative. - Twenty, on 07/17/2009, -0/+3I go to an engineering school, and philosophy and art get talked down to on a constant basis. They're laughed at. It's so awful. Oh, but one of my favorite quotes around here was something along the lines of "Scientists are the real explorers, philosophers are merely tourists." As if that could be more backwards.
Also, this article totally needs more Kant. - shiftage, on 07/16/2009, -0/+3This would get more diggs if it had boobs and a top 10 list.
- williamkusumo, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2I think mrogi's point is the universe is indifferent. We might nuke earth into oblivion one day, but to the universe, it is but a blink of an eye. There is no purpose in life other than living.
- inactive, on 07/16/2009, -2/+4I know who Bacon is -- I had him for breakfast.
- PlanckTime, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2The Great Conversation it has been called. When we pick up the threads of discussions held by the great minds of the day and add our thoughts to it.
This is what schools should be teaching. Not instead of science or math but in addition to them. It gives a greater understanding of both the world as a whole and man's place in it, as well as a better sense of perspective of our place in the great flow of time. A sense not only of where we in relation to our fellow man now, but also of our place as we currently stand poised between the past and the future. - grnicon, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2I don't think digg is the right audience for this. Moar lolcatz plz.
- firebhaal, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2What is wisdom?
I'm not sure, but I do know it's not present in most of these comments. - eyepennies, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1This submission is like a beautiful sunny day over a graveyard.
- gte879p, on 07/16/2009, -1/+2I believe you merely described knowledge. Wisdom would be knowing that as the captain of the football team, he slept around alot and possibly had an STD, and thus you decided to not sleep with his girlfriend.
- PlanckTime, on 07/16/2009, -2/+3I call BS. I am well read and engage in philosophy and could not tell you who all of them are myself. I recognize all but one of the musicians, but a couple of the philosophers mentioned escape me. I doubt Sheeple actually knows them all himself.
25%? I would be surprised if 25% of today's youth could locate Iraq on a blank world map. I would be amazed if 25% of today's youth could recognize even half of these people beyond simply having heard their name before. - Traze, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1Well, where is the right place?
I want to be there. :P - sgvprelude, on 07/16/2009, -0/+1luckily it was just an example.
- Twenty, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1Exactly. Too many people get caught up in 'legacy' and 'being remembered' to search for meaning in the eyes of others.
- Traze, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1Like saying the chicken is better than the egg.
I enjoy both, they each have their own perspective.
It's hard for me to believe that someone really thinks Aristotle was Aristotle only on his own merit.
Of course, that's true of most anyone. - inactive, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1So... it's not subjective, just relative to age.
- Traze, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1Well, it's hard to say, there isn't a lot of classical writings from "Black humans".
Nothing to do with race, only to do with traditions.
Name a few classic works on philosophy from "Black humans".
I'd wager most people haven't even heard of the authors, not due to any failing of them, only that they are few and far between. - SpykerSpeed, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1So... you're saying it's okay to hit someone or take their stuff, and still have a logical debate?
Nice. - RileyKilo, on 07/19/2009, -0/+0I was listening to Durant this morning, and he quoted Confucius saying "Knowledge is knowing when you do not understand something, and admitting it" or something along those lines. if only he saw the internet today :(
- Pasaris, on 07/16/2009, -2/+2I'm not letting any man be my bedfellow. That's just gay.
- alamedaman, on 07/16/2009, -2/+2Read books, get brain.
(references this: http://www.adrants.com/2004/11/akademiks-clothing- ... - bubbaliscious, on 07/18/2009, -0/+0If wisdom is subjective why are we so hard on other people when they do stupid things? We act like wisdom is objective.
- SpykerSpeed, on 07/16/2009, -1/+1Is this an argument?
- Kab00mKap0w, on 07/21/2009, -0/+0I think not enough people are concerned about it. That's why we have selfish people committing selfish acts with not concern for the consequences.
- Alceste1978, on 07/17/2009, -0/+0If you want to call being primitive a "tradition", then you go right ahead. Stupid is just a social construct, and is just as valid and laudable as not-stupid.
- inactive, on 07/16/2009, -4/+4How about index cards?
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/textual/govm ...
" Because Ronald Reagan composed many of his speeches by using a system of interchangeable index cards, we do not have a complete list of all campaign speeches. The speeches were originally housed in two binders, each of which contains a subject index."
- inactive, on 07/17/2009, -0/+0Well, now you've proven that you can't parse a sentence for its accurate meaning. I said that your (I just noticed my earlier "you're" mistake) post proved that basic ethics aren't the *ONLY* requirement for logical discourse, implying that even though you are following your 2 rules of ethics, your unintelligence prohibits us from conversing in a useful way.
In other words: I disagree with your definition of wisdom because I don't think you are wise. - inactive, on 07/16/2009, -0/+0FTA -- "Or you may remember Bernard as the persecutor who hounded Abelard from trial to tribulation until only the philosopher’s bones were handed to Heloise; and you vision for a moment the long struggle of the human mind for freedom; you are seeing the picture in a larger perspective; you touch the skirts of wisdom."
- mrogi, on 07/16/2009, -1/+0The Fool and the Wise Man die the exact same death.
- Kab00mKap0w, on 07/16/2009, -1/+0But their lives and legacies are quite different.
- inactive, on 07/17/2009, -1/+0You're post is proof that basic ethics aren't the only requirement for taking part in logical discourse.
- diggimator, on 07/16/2009, -2/+1That list isn't white enough. It's got Confucius and Buddha.
- SpykerSpeed, on 07/16/2009, -3/+1Oh and he forgot the best philosopher of all time: Aristotle.
Plato doesn't hold a candle. - Alceste1978, on 07/17/2009, -2/+0Either Will Durant is a bigot, or Black humans have in fact contributed absolutely nothing to the collective wisdom of the planet earth.
Could be both. - inactive, on 07/16/2009, -2/+0Basic ethics are required for logical discourse?
Basic ethics reduce to "don't hit people" and "don't take their things"?
WTF - sgvprelude, on 07/16/2009, -3/+1Wisdom is knowing something the next person doesn't know.
For example:
I was talking to a classmate, he doesn't know I banged his girlfriend. I am wise. - sheeplescareme, on 07/15/2009, -6/+4FTA
"Therefore invite the great men of the past into your homes. Put their works or lives on your shelves as books, their architecture, sculpture, and painting on your walls as pictures; let them play their music for you. Attune your ears to Bach, Vivaldi, Handel, Mozart, Beethoven, Berlioz, Schubert, Mendelssohn, Rachmaninoff, Chopin, Brahms, Debussy. Make room in your rooms for Confucius, Buddha, Plato, Euripides, Lucretius, Christ, Seneca, Montaigne, Marcus Aurelius, Heloise, Shakespeare, Bacon, Spinoza, Voltaire, Montesquieu, Gibbon, Goethe, Shelley, Keats, Heine, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Spengler, Anatole France, Albert Schweitzer. Let these men be your comrades, your bedfellows; give them half an hour each day; slowly they will share in remaking you to perspective, tolerance, wisdom, and a more avid love of a deepened life."
brilliant, and so sad. i would wager that less than twenty-five percent of all american's could tell you who all of those people were and describe the amazing contributions they made. - RobbieF, on 07/16/2009, -4/+1I consider wisdom as being rather subjective.
My 18 y/o stepson is much wiser than my 5 y/o son.
Conversely, I believe myself to be more wise than he.
My father has us all beat. - dhtimsd1970, on 07/16/2009, -7/+3Wisdom, among other things, is being able to discuss something without a teleprompter.
http://tinyurl.com/lt3scc - SpykerSpeed, on 07/16/2009, -6/+1Wisdom is adhering to the basic ethics that allow for logical discourse: don't hit people, and don't take their things. Any doctrine that advocates you do either of these things, whether directly or through elected representatives, is amoral and unwise.
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