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- diggstown, on 09/03/2008, -61/+1050Let's not include attending church as a requirement for maturity.
- LacBouleaux, on 09/02/2008, -42/+545Wanting to have fun and adventure is a sign of immaturity? Male instincts of wanting adventure and freedom are bad. Female instincts of nurturing and boredom are good. Male aggression is only good if it helps her get shiny things. Succumb to her instincts and become 'grown-up', 'mature'. The article's writer references Judd Apatow's movies having "regressive adventures for the single man of every stripe". I guess he doesn't watch movies to the end, you know where the guy has to sell his crap to fit in her mold.
- chkdg8, on 09/03/2008, -8/+462Thanks to next-gen consoles, digg and youporn. There's no reason to grow up anymore.
- iluvatar, on 09/03/2008, -14/+453Sure, the fact that the cost of living has skyrocketed, and that college attendance is at an all time high, has nothing to do with the fact that more 20 year olds (including women) are living at home.
Give me a ***** break. - Pusod, on 09/03/2008, -12/+445Haven't you heard? 20's the new 10!
- tgray, on 09/02/2008, -7/+400Classic:
"If only all the posturing paid off. College guys believe that 80 percent of their friends are getting laid each weekend, says Kimmel, whose survey of 13,000 kids, mostly 18 to 22 years old, puts the actual figure at closer to 10 percent. After college, he says, the percentages merely get worse." - rkiga, on 09/03/2008, -4/+370"According to a study released last month by the Parents Television Council, prime-time broadcast audiences are three times more likely to hear about people having sex with pets, corpses or two other people simultaneously than they are to see a blissed-out married couple between the sheets."
WTF kind of shows did they watch? - ChileanGoD, on 09/03/2008, -30/+328"attend church"....
Yeah, because church makes you so much wiser about life. - fenderbiz, on 09/03/2008, -34/+270Yes, please. I spend my life more productively than being lied to every Sunday morning.
- alphaterminus, on 09/03/2008, -4/+190I'm slightly older, but I haven't purchased a newspaper since 1995, yet I read more articles from several sources online in a day than my father would have ever read in a single newspaper. I doubt many people under 40 buy newspapers these days.
- kublerross, on 09/03/2008, -56/+227WTF more amateurish psychobabble. regressive weekends? traditional markers of manhood? hahaha
lets see:
newspaper, seriously newspaper, is it 1950? my father is less likely to read online news than me. hes backwords
the church is an archaic institution filled with pedophiles and greed that is based around paying tribute to imaginary friends.
marriage is an archaic business arrangement with strong religious ties that alot of people dont see as necessary to a lifelong partnership
The president... well enough said
people trustworthy? thank your local news propaganda for showing 24/7 crime and deceit to instill fear and distrust thus precenting social connections that can lead to real change. since i got rid of my tv im far less concerned about nonsense crime and what not (oh noes thunderstorm coming! buy duct tape!) it took about 4 years but once youre free its refreshing. all you see is crime and fear on tv - pablo0713, on 09/03/2008, -44/+214I'm in my mid 30s. Why grow up? What does this society have to offer me? A nagging wife? Ungrateful, spoiled children? A ***** job? No thanks. Leave me to my solitary life with my games and my pot and my fast food and my "regressed" male friends. With pornography, women aren't as much of a requirement. No need to worship them just to get a little loving. Don't have to play their game of "what have you done for me lately" just to impress them. I've had plenty of relationships, plenty of sex. But, the older I get, the more willing I am to stay single and make sure I find the right woman i.e. one who also never wanted to grow up.
- laughandsing, on 09/02/2008, -11/+180Doesn't surprise me. Is this supposed to be news? All guys in my age group are like this.
- Coottie, on 09/03/2008, -4/+163I just hit 41, have never been married and don't have kids. I also don't drink or smoke. Here's the thing, I've made choices and I'm content living with the ramifications of those choices. I'm free to change my mind and make other choices....such as to get married, have kids and all that.
I never, ever want to grow up. I work for a fortune 500 company and while I love the paychecks and all the stuff I can buy with them, I don't like the stress, long hours and restrictions on my free time because I have to *GASP* work. But I love the freedom that comes with that regular paycheck so I'm willing to make this trade.....today. Tomorrow I may change my mind and go explore the world on my motorcycle.
The thing is, one choice is not inherently better or worse than any other choice. This article seems to extol the virtues of marriage and that's fine for people who want that. But for those of us who don't, there's nothing wrong with the choices we're making. IMO it's sad that society seems to bless one person's choices while slamming another's. IMO that's the worst form of prejudice.
More acceptance, less judgment please. - Stepannic, on 09/03/2008, -3/+155I like how they have lumped in having sex with two other people simultaneously with having sex with pets and corpses. Like they're all just as bad!
- bluebettle, on 09/03/2008, -1/+146Or reading a newspaper either...just because you don't get your news from a paper doesn't mean that you're not getting the news.
- loquax, on 09/03/2008, -6/+143Bingo! This kind of behavior is the result of feminism's rise in our culture. Don't get me wrong, I am all for women being whoever and whatever they want to be, but when guys take the same tack of throwing off prescribed traditional roles and expectations of responsibilities you get this kind of "liberated" man. I am married with two kids, and I can tell you that the culture's expectations of men being the main breadwinner and being all straitlaced by 30 is as burdensome as its expectation that women be mothers and housewives and dutiful to their husband's wishes.
These guys are the first generation to really be "liberated" from traditional roles of men and women being the norm. - staticneuron, on 09/03/2008, -6/+139""Men benefit from just being married, regardless of the quality of the relationship. It makes them healthier, wealthier and more generous with their relatives," says Scott Coltrane, author of "Gender and Families" and dean of the University of Oregon College of Arts and Science. It accelerates men's journey toward stability and security. "In general, those are the things that lead to happiness," he adds."
Why do I feel like this author just has an agenda. - orlyfactor, on 09/03/2008, -13/+143Believing in unicorns is the only sign of maturity I'll ever use.
- TheMachine1, on 09/03/2008, -28/+157"attend church"
So buying into religious ***** hook, line, and sinker is being grownup? I will stay being an atheist kid who questions authority. - ieee, on 09/03/2008, -1/+100If parents want to raise children who are psychologically adults by the time they reach their 20s they need to encourage their teenagers to take on responsibility by encouraging them to get jobs. Once they are 18 encourage them to stand on their own financially as much as possible.
- funklor, on 09/03/2008, -15/+112Today's 20-something guys are less likely to read a newspaper, attend church, vote for president or believe that people are basically trustworthy, helpful and fair
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Sounds pretty good to me.
Most newspapers are little more than propaganda pieces, religion is worthless, elections in America are an illusion of choice, and people as a whole are basically untrustworthy, unhelpful and unfair.
May sound depressing, but it isn't, kind of liberating actually. Master of your destiny, all that stuff. - thcobbs, on 09/03/2008, -21/+114Thank you for proving their argument.
- Matt2k, on 09/03/2008, -14/+103> A nagging wife? Ungrateful, spoiled children? A ***** job?
> What does this society have to offer me?
Society doesn't provide your wife, your undisciplined children, or get you a job. You provide that for yourself. We don't owe you a thing, you're right. - poxonyou, on 09/03/2008, -3/+90Haha. I think that's right. When I lived at home in my early 20's, I swore all my friends were getting laid left and right, and many claimed it, but when I moved out and with others, quite a few different roommates at different places, I often found dudes, I would have just assumed were getting laid, were worse off than I was. I also had the same idea about "single" guys as I've often had a steady girlfriend. "Man, they're getting all kinds of girls. I should break up with her." Instead, "Oh, huh, you haven't had a girlfriend, nor likely gotten laid, for 6+ months? What?" (basically applies to about 4 ex-roommates and several coworkers). I now think the guys who brag the most are often lying or have permanent beer goggles and get desperate ugly girls.
- xOKxWhy, on 09/03/2008, -3/+90Worse? Oh dear
- Devrdander, on 09/03/2008, -2/+88Exactly, lets review the list:
read a newspaper: The paper is crap these days, most Main Stream Media is, i get my news via RSS feeds from more unbiased sources, and listen to NPR on my drive to work to get some local news.
attend church: I'm an Atheist, a large percentage of the new generations are non-religious or 'spiritual-other'
vote for president: Kind of sad, I do vote (I am 26) However spending your coherent 'adult' years in the bush administration you can't help but feel a bit jaded by politics
believe that people are basically trustworthy, helpful and fair: This isn't just a 20 something thing, sadly its a trend through out society... - roodammy44, on 09/03/2008, -4/+87"Work is a necessary evil to be avoided" - Mark Twain
loquax said it all, we are the first male generation who don't have enforced gender roles on them.
Thank you femenism - not only has it allowed women to do some of the hard work, it's also allowed me to drink all night and not worry about "providing for my woman" or "acting like a man" because I'm older.
If acting like a traditional woman is out the window, so is acting like a traditional man.
The only thing that worries me is that simpsons episode where they have a "everybody can do what they feel like" day. Maybe the old roles were actually better for society as a whole. - kilofox, on 09/03/2008, -12/+94You learned all this in your parents basement?
- riseandthefall, on 09/03/2008, -7/+88"Men like me, who actually embrace married life in their 20s..."
Wait a while. There's 40-50% chance it won't last. - Volath, on 09/03/2008, -6/+87"Meanwhile, saddled with an average of $20,000 in student debt and reared with a sense of entitlement that stops them from taking any old job, the percentage of 26-year-olds living with their parents has nearly doubled since 1970, from 11 to 20 percent, according to economist Bob Schoeni's research with the Population Studies Center at the University of Michigan."
I don't think the problem is they won't take "any old job", I think that its much harder if not impossible to get an entry level job than it was in 1970 because of increasing qualifications(such as having to have numerous internships or a master's) and out sourcing. Why would you want to be a department manager at Wal-Mart when you went to school for 4 or more years and 2 internships for something completely different? - SammyJr, on 09/03/2008, -4/+79And who the hell listens to the fundie freaks at the Parents Television Council? Those guys are like Ned Flanders on steroids.
- Haroshia, on 09/03/2008, -6/+79Your social security check is late! Stuff costs more than it used to! Young people use curse words!
Seriously why is it every generation feels the urge to shake their fist and tell people to get off their lawn? Just because the author decided he'd rather have a life of golfing and doing what his woman wanted doesn't mean everybody else should. - curtisag, on 09/03/2008, -1/+72Yes yes yes, this is exactly what's going on. Women have asserted their independence, so men have reacted by liberating themselves from the same social conventions that held women back. I'm not saying women being independent is a bad thing, it's fine that they don't need a man now. But by contrast, men don't need women for more than sex either. They can provide a 2nd household income, but without a family to take care of, most men provide for themselves just fine. And we already do all our own housework for ourselves, and when we don't have a date we have porn and masturbation.
That's the price to be paid for destroying traditional gender roles. Deep down a man wants to take care of a woman in my opinion, it gives him a sense of self-respect and pride. It's genetic. Our species would not have survived without it. But having lost this in the modern era though, it is not surprising that men have devolved into adolescence. Men grow up when there's a perceived "need" for them to do so. But that need has disappeared because of feminism. - inactive, on 09/03/2008, -4/+73Dude Gears 2 is coming out. No time for maturity and getting the ***** out of your mom's basement.
- Cerialthriller, on 09/03/2008, -6/+74or maybe they are just tens of thousands of dollars in debt from school and medic bills and cant afford a house in the current economy?
- 1of95ACTIVE, on 09/03/2008, -6/+73Well i am 23 and go to sleep and wake watching bbc world news(less depressing).
read news paper when i feel like wasting trees.and watched both the DNC and RNC.
so i dont think my life should be spent slaving away to make the rich richer
and every one knows that a dash of water brings out the flavor and aromas of whiskey - aladrin, on 09/03/2008, -7/+71When people say 'maturity' these days, what they really mean is 'work for money to just barely survive and have no fun.' It used to mean 'provide for you and your family and keep a steady job'. Having fun on top of it used to expected, and was part of maturity.
So now, if you use any shortcuts to save money (staying with your parents after 20, etc) rather than just working harder, then you must be immature.
All I can think is that it must be an attempt to make themselves feel better about their own ***** position. - tgarza17, on 09/03/2008, -3/+65Awww. C'mon. Don't you want to slave away in a cube like the rest of us while your ex gets half your paycheck? It's fun!
- SammyJr, on 09/03/2008, -3/+65I think taking an active, critical interest in politics is a sign of maturity...
- KMartSheriff, on 09/03/2008, -4/+65Who the ***** is digging you down? You're exactly right.
- NJank, on 09/03/2008, -0/+60a friend of mine got a 4 year engineering degree, got a decent paying job (for a gov't job) in a high priced housing market near 'home', moved in with his parents for 2 years while he saved up a down payment, then bought a decent sized home sometime in year 3 after paying down a good part of his student loans. Frankly, the fact that he set out this plan to start with means I don't lump him in with the 'deadbeat back with the parents' crowd, but likely these statistics include him there. He said he could have rented a place, but then it would have taken him an extra 4-5 years to get to the same financial position, his parents had no other need for his old space, and he chipped in for food/utilities/etc.
Immature? no. - pablo0713, on 09/03/2008, -6/+66I stand by what I say and I have a great life. So what if I don't want to be a part of society. Not interested in family, raising kids, getting in debt. Why should I grow up? So I can please people who "think" I should act a certain way? Naw, you all can go to hell.
- inactive, on 09/03/2008, -0/+58And then when you get out of college, you have to work in a totally unrelated field to what you studied.
- phrenzy, on 09/03/2008, -4/+58If you work in the games industry (especially design), "growing up" can be a serious detriment to your work.
- theutopian, on 09/03/2008, -8/+60The point isn't that men avoiding marriage because it's an 'archaic institution,' it's that they are avoiding any types of long term, serious relationships.
- cbeach, on 09/03/2008, -30/+82Going to church indicates maturity? WTF?
BURIED - HookmasterCH47, on 09/03/2008, -18/+69I'd live at home if I could, parents kicked me out though... Apparently attempted arson really pisses certain people off.
- Dymphna, on 09/03/2008, -6/+56Thank you, this article annoyed me greatly, as it seemed to require attending church as some kind of sign of maturity or morality. Though it wasn't a main focus, it still irked me that it was even in there.
Here I thought having a healthy taste for science and reason is the mature thing to do too. - inactive, on 09/03/2008, -2/+51Yes, apparently growing up means accepting figures of authority and conforming to the lemming standard.
Being an individual who chooses to live a good life rather than a "right" one makes us children.
It's a culture change. Blame it on the internet. MSM's misinformation doesn't work on us. -
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