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- seastobble, on 07/05/2008, -5/+43I think this is one of the most poignant articles I've ever read on digg.
- Evi1d33d, on 07/07/2008, -3/+41You can't respawn IRL.
- dampeal, on 07/07/2008, -0/+25I've known two people who've committed suicide and it's something that is very hard to understand, July 5th was the 2nd anniversary of my cousins suicide, we grew up together, we were best friends most of our lives, but as we got older he went his own way and I mine with our families but we were still close friends, though still to this day I have to ask myself is there more I could have done to prevent this? is there something I missed somewhere? I'll never truly understand why he did it, on the outside it seemed like he had everything, family, house, cars, motorcycle, friends and lots of 'stuff', but yet he threw it all away with the pull of the trigger... it's very hard to understand the motivation behind things like this, and those that are left behind are left with guilt about what could or should have been done to prevent it, not everyone is crazy who commits suicide, and I don't see how it's better for society that they be gone, that's just a very ignorant commnet
- redundant, on 07/06/2008, -3/+27That last paragraph was incredible. To be at the exact point of no return and realise you've made a terrible mistake, very powerful.
- Pixelante, on 07/07/2008, -6/+22You insensitive racist. It's an "afro-side".
- Simplysped, on 07/07/2008, -2/+17Watch "The Bridge" it's a really powerful documentary about suicides that take place at the worlds largest suicide site, the Golden Gate Bridge.
- BelatedHero, on 07/06/2008, -5/+21Fascinating. One of the longer articles posted to digg that is definitely worth reading.
- bobalien, on 07/07/2008, -3/+17"Suicide is the most sincere form of self-criticism."
- supermike35, on 07/06/2008, -3/+17I wonder how many people change their minds after they jump?
- j0hnk377y, on 07/07/2008, -1/+13Timely, my sons swim team coach took his life this week. My wife and I can't find a reason for him to do it.
- egoherodotus, on 07/07/2008, -0/+12One thing that stuck out to me is a statistic it cited. Despite the anti-depressant industry now being a multi-billion dollar industry and pumping our population full of these drugs (e.g. Lexipro, Paxel, Prozac, Zoloft, etc...), the national suicide rate is almost exactly the same as it was in 1965.
- ProphetPX, on 07/07/2008, -2/+13I am all too familiar with suicidal thoughts and feelings and let me tell ya ... It is no picnic.
It is not "that easy" to finally settle on some idea to just "do it" ... it is very hard, and with some people it takes a very long time before they can gather enough determination inside themselves to just "off themselves" like that, however or whatever method they may choose.
For me it was somewhere near the year 2000, right after a huge fight with my Father, and the police were called, and I was just overcome with anger and hurt and I started trying to drive my car into a brick wall of a Meijer's store (they are like big Walmarts) in Waterford, MI.
Obviously I failed, but TWICE (2 seperate runs around the parking lot with that intended "end") I tried to "off myself" by ramming me and my car into that huge brick wall, without averting my steering.
Life is hard of course, but when you get like that you become DECEIVED and FORGETFUL of just how wonderfiul life can still be.
I can only thank god that i am still alive to this day from many other occurrences in my life that were NOT even of my own efforts or choosing!!!! And I think I would rather prefer to be more of a hero to others here in life now, than later in death. - IamnotacrookUK, on 07/07/2008, -0/+11Wow... really insightful article.
Its stuff like this that makes wading through all the crap on digg worthwhile. - PhilliesBlunt, on 07/07/2008, -2/+12So let me get this straight.... We must reduce abortion at all costs, but if the fetus turns out to be a broken individual who wants to kill itself, your attitude is ***** 'em? Great set of values you got there.
- joker1972, on 07/07/2008, -1/+11Some of the idiots on dugg are just Brain dead morons. Read the dam thing. As some who been a nurse and who tried to kill himself. I seen this from both sides of this story. jOhnk337y people who do this and not in a right mind set and take it form me We don't always show our true feelings to the outside world and the pain we are in at the time.
- eddruckman, on 07/05/2008, -8/+19Really informative piece. And for those reading it who, um, opt out. See you on the other side.
- soulonfire928, on 07/07/2008, -0/+10I can say from personal experience there isn't really more you could have done. People knew that I was depressed, that I was cutting, and told me time and time again to call them if I needed anything...but in the middle of feeling so desperate and just wanting to die--I felt there was nothing they could do to relieve my pain.
I'm sure to an outsider it seemed I had things going for me. I graduated college, was working towards my MBA, had a decent place to live, had a good job...but none of that mattered.
I was really good at covering up everything that was wrong. I could act like everything was okay. I could force myself to laugh at appropriate times, even though I wanted to just curl up in a ball and isolate myself from the world. I could act like I was happy and in a good mood, even as I was simultaneously considering how I wanted to kill myself. It was all an act, to keep people out, because, and this is the beauty of depression (at least for me), as much as I wanted to be able to talk it out, I felt that talking to anybody was too much of a burden on them. I felt that this was something I was going to have to tackle on my own, because nobody cared that much to bother listening to me when I was struggling.
This led to two suicide attempts and a brief overnight psychiatric stay at a hospital for the second attempt. Its complete hell, and I wouldn't wish it on anybody. I spent my time in fear, wondering when the next depressive episode was going to kick in, and if I was going to be successful or not the next time around. It was so agonizing, just full of desperation and despair. Honestly the worst time of my life. - bigsteve, on 07/07/2008, -1/+11Invest in sneeze guard for your monitor.
- Simplysped, on 07/07/2008, -1/+10here is the entire film
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4636757064 ... - filefly, on 07/07/2008, -0/+9It means your friends have dugg the article.
- kd420, on 07/06/2008, -2/+11Good article describing how we as a society tend to simplify suicide. It's clearly more complicated than we expect, and as such, there are probably a lot more ways to combat the different mindsets people have when committing suicide. No longer is it seen as an inevitable thing, which we are trying to delay. Suicide clearly is a psychological and emotional disorder that can be treated if confronted before it's too late.
- inactive, on 07/05/2008, -5/+13That was powerful. I feel a bit enlightened
- dilbert, on 07/07/2008, -1/+9Lemmings don't commit mass suicide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming#Myths_and_mis ...
The myth of lemming mass suicide is long-standing and has been popularized by a number of factors. In 1955, Carl Barks drew an Uncle Scrooge adventure comic with the title: The Lemming with the Locket. This comic, which was inspired by a 1954 National Geographic article, showed massive numbers of lemmings jumping over Norwegian cliffs.[7]. This myth is also witnessed in a German film - The Little Polar Bear (Lars, the polar bear)--in which a group of despondent lemmings are frequently jumping off various ledges.[8] - bgrah449, on 07/07/2008, -1/+9But dumb people are less likely to commit suicide. So I guess we're out of luck with you.
And your concept of evolution is flawed - evolution is not a steady march of progress. Nature doesn't "enforce" evolution. Evolution just happens. - f4nt0m4s, on 07/07/2008, -1/+8"Black" is entirely intrinsic to the living. As a living entity, you perceive objects that have a certain wavelength to be black. Thus, if death is truly "nothing," then there will be nothing to perceive. And, even then, the notion of "nothing" is just another human perception. If you do not exist you cannot perceive "nothing," so by those accounts does the notion of "nothing" exist for the nonliving? The answer is no. If there is no afterlife, then there will be no fear, no pain, no sense of loss, and no regret. There won't be. And, that thought is well beyond my comprehension.
"Cogito, ergo sum" (I think, therefore I am)
-René Descartes - Pigeon, on 07/07/2008, -0/+7You do know that there is a link between intelligence and suicide? Maybe some people really just don't want to deal with the rest of the idiots of the world.
- villageatheist, on 07/07/2008, -2/+9I've seen you post on other topics and I'm baffled by how you can be so consistently ignorant on every issue that you comment on. You suck.
- Ph34rb0t, on 07/07/2008, -0/+6It does not have so much to do with attention, it is more about people getting caught in self depreciating infinite loops within their heads, a shock to the system will knock them out of it unless they are genetically/chemically predisposed to this thought process/ behavior.
I'm sure if you just removed suicidal individuals from their current lives and supplanted them somewhere else to start anew, with a purpose (i.e. help build a shelter, dig a well, etc...), and no attached consequences (which is often the kicker) they would be fine. - Simplysped, on 07/07/2008, -1/+7First of all, who is going to pay film crews to police this bridge 24/7? It's up tot he law enforcement and not the film maker.
I honestly feel, that if someone really wants to commit suicide, why not let them? If you really want to end your life, nobody is going to stop you. - inactive, on 07/07/2008, -1/+7i'm really kind of curious as to how this article has been posted twice and both times hit the front page.. with such DRASTIC differences in the responses of the readers.. this is not a bash on the person who posted this.. i'm really trying to point out the comments so please if you digg me down.. do it cuz you don't agree not that i'm pointing out the same article different name syndrome..
http://digg.com/health/The_Urge_to_End_It_The_Scie ...
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Really informative piece. And for those reading it who, um, opt out. See you on the other side.
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That was powerful. I feel a bit enlightened
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this article is way too long to read
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Isn't suicide free will? - diggB, on 07/07/2008, -0/+6There is a movie that came out in 2006 call "The Bridge" which documents suicide attempts off of the Golden Gate. The film crew set up multiple cameras filming the bridge nearly continuously for an entire year and caught people jumping. As morbid as it sounds, it was incredibly well done. Not your typical light movie watching experience, to say the least.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0799954/ - bobalien, on 07/07/2008, -3/+9an hero
- bgrah449, on 07/07/2008, -4/+10All right, I don't mean to rain on everyone's parade. I thought the article was great, too. But this article was published just weeks after the Heller case was decided. This is not an article about suicide; it's an article about gun control.
Suicide is awful, and it's hard to pinpoint who will commit suicide. But does the fact that my neighbor may have an impulse control problem give the government further control my life - just to (maybe, hopefully) prevent .8 out of a million people from killing himself? - kraetos, on 07/07/2008, -9/+15Alright, so I normally hate it when people whine about duplicates, Maki, but MrBabyMan frontpaged this YESTERDAY. WTF.
- PabloIV, on 07/07/2008, -0/+6That's a really smart well thought out article, with well researched sources and intelligent conclusions. All in one page, and not too long.
Submitters take notice. - ProphetPX, on 07/07/2008, -0/+5then it should be better described as "less IMMEDIATELY lethal methods" since someone who takes pills or poisons can sometimes be saved if they get to a hospital enough to detox.
I know, my late girlfriend would not have died had i known she had drugs in her that were poisoning her system; I could have taken her to the closest ER to detox ASAP, had i known! :-( - groo68, on 07/07/2008, -4/+9Black might be peaceful, even emptiness, but it isn't, you aren't there to experience just black, There is nothing, you aren't there anymore, it's incomprehensible to me, everything for the dead is just gone, it stopped, your consciousness and sub consciousness and everything else end.
That's what i believe anyway, what i want to believe is that our neural energy finds it's way to a pool of neural energy and lives as some sort of entity riding on streams of energy throughout space and time. - inactive, on 07/07/2008, -10/+15there is no "other side". Its just black.
- Simplysped, on 07/07/2008, -1/+6Your an idiot. They called in every time they saw someone attempt to jump over the railing. The cameras were left there 24/7, any suicide filmed was filmed while no camera crews were around.
- tjsgigante, on 07/07/2008, -1/+6It sounds like for the guy who survived it, that he thinks that there is. Suicide is an attempt at a "physical solution" for a "spiritual problem". Honestly, I think the idea of something after death sounds a whole lot better then the idea of "blackness".
- inactive, on 07/07/2008, -1/+5I swear to Christ if I see one more duplicate I'm gonna kill myself
- Haoie, on 07/07/2008, -0/+4I'm sorry for your loss. I hope it's stopped hurting.
- stonedthot, on 07/07/2008, -0/+4I guess that's what the article is pointing towards. You shouldn't feel any guilt because there probably weren't any warning signs, even for him. We all have dark moments unfortunately for some people the thought of suicide creeps in at that moment and if there is a ready means, in an impulse they do it.
I had a friend that hung himself in school over a stupid ***** girl of all things. I'm sure that if there hadn't been a rope sitting at the top of the stairs (used for a swing), that moment of despair would have passed and he'd be with us today. I went through the same guilt and searching, and came up with nothing. The thing that really gets to me is that if he had taken a moment he would have realised he had his whole life ahead of him and would never have done it. Even if he had slit his wrists and been found I don't think he would have ever tried again. All suicides are tragic but the impulse ones are the worst, my heart goes out to you. - xsecretfiles, on 07/07/2008, -1/+5I hope you are reading this Ruslana Korshunova, better luck next time around
- AdamFromMyspace, on 07/07/2008, -0/+4Interesting article. One thing that did strike me as funny was this exerpt, "than is found among those who die by less lethal methods, like taking pills or poison".. die by less lethal methods?
- jebudas, on 07/07/2008, -3/+7Sure it sounds better, and that does not make it false.
"At the moment of death I hope to be surprised."
+ Ivan Illich - Andrwmorph, on 07/07/2008, -0/+4Yet...
- sjm20k, on 07/07/2008, -0/+4No, I think we just have different priorities. I value a developed human life over one that hasn't even begun yet. A lot of great people wrestle with suicidal feelings. Regardless of whether or not they've accomplished great things, their friends and family would be much more devastated losing someone they've known a long time rather than an unborn zygote, which wasn't even a person yet.
If you're going to split hairs about potential, what if the person who would have cured cancer killed themselves? I say we should weigh them both on an equal scale if you're going to talk about potential.
Personally, through reading a lot of your posts, I think you have a disorder that's bad for the gene pool as well. You follow without question, and you assume positions based on rhetoric rather than analysis, only using argument to back up a position you've arbitrarily chosen, rather than using argument to develop your idea. This is the same mental condition that allows people to fall blindly into the ranks of religion, cults, etc - basically anything where the belief PRECEDES the argument.
Since I feel like this trait leads to 90% of the stupidity and ignorance in the world, I could argue that you don't deserve treatment or therapy if you were to develop cancer or contract some sort of deadly disease, but I wouldn't, because as foul as your positions may be, I still think you have the right to help. - RoflCoptah, on 07/07/2008, -1/+5a comprehensive work on the inner thoughts of suicidal people
good work - bgrah449, on 07/07/2008, -1/+4I have no guns to take away.
Similarly, I am not an playwright, painter, or poet, and yet I support the freedom of expression.
Also, I am not a member of any union, church, or political party, and yet I support the freedom of assembly.
I support the rights of gun owners even though I don't get along with most of them, and I don't own a gun. I don't have any gay friends, either, and yet I - shockingly! - support gay marriage.
Keep fighting the culture war, though. It's worked pretty ***** well so far, yeah? -
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