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- sadmachine, on 09/21/2008, -1/+50For real. If you read Peter Pan you know that tinkerbell and the other fairies have orgies. awesome.
- electrikyle, on 09/21/2008, -0/+32It is a shame that so many ancient fairy tales are cleaned up behind the guise of "Disney magic." At the same time, Disney inserts its own social commentary that youngsters might not realize they're being exposed to.. Just look at the crows in Dumbo, etc. Some people get bent out of shape about it, I feel that if the film creators made it that way, then that's the way it should be.
- thisoneisunique, on 09/22/2008, -0/+24I grew up with the cruel version of Rapunzel (which is, as far as I know the original German Grimm version) - the witch finds out about Rapunzel's love affair with the prince, cuts off her hair, sends her into banishment, nails the hair on the window sill and knocks the prince off the tower when he climbs up. The prince falls into the thorn hedges, loses his eyesight and stumbles through the world. Meanwhile, Rapunzel gives birth to twins in the desert, wanders around in the world till she reaches a dark forest, finds the blind prince, is shocked, starts crying, her tears fall on the prince's eyes, he can see again, takes her back to his kingdom, the king dies, they become king and queen and live happily ever after.
So far so good.
Then I went to England for a teaching job, befriended a family with four children there, and at some point fairy-tales came up and I told the oldest - she was 16 - the ending of Rapunzel. And she was really appalled and went: "Ohhh, that is HORRIBLE!" In her book, the story ended with the prince saving Rapunzel before the witch found out about them.
Totally reminded me of Phoebe in Friends who finds out that her parents kept the death of Bambi's mother from her. - MLisa, on 09/22/2008, -0/+22I have spent my entire life waiting for the knight in shining armor. He never showed up. I am now 500. Sigh...
- electrikyle, on 09/22/2008, -0/+18When's THAT one coming out??
- Azuvic, on 09/22/2008, -1/+18Disney is a corporation, it only cares about making money, and not about the quality of its stories or the lessons it teaches kids
- WoollyMittens, on 09/22/2008, -1/+17You can't have light without darkness.
They're turning the next generation into pussies that can be scared into submission easier. - bloggerjul, on 09/22/2008, -1/+16Jessica Alba and Megan Fox as fairies in the remake!!
who's with me?? - spookyttws, on 09/22/2008, -0/+15I also very much disdain that one of the coolest villains (Tinkerbell) is changed from being a complex, mean spirited, and mischievousness creature to being lumped in with Jasmine, Ariel, Cinderella, Snow White, and Aurora. Even in the film she's a villain, and yet every piece of merchandise at Disneyland has her smiling and being a good little girl. It makes me sick.
- Raiku, on 09/22/2008, -0/+13Most of the better stories are from Grimm:
http://www.grimmstories.com/en/grimm_fairy-tales/i ... - ninjarabbits, on 09/22/2008, -0/+11I'm not sure I could take the unsanitized version of Snow White living in sin with 7 midgets.
And when I say I'm not sure I could take the unsanitized version, I mean that I would undoubtedly injure myself from all the non-stop fap fap faping I would be conducting. - sacramentalist, on 09/22/2008, -0/+11I heard a fairy tale expert say that in the pre-Disney era, one of the biggest fairy tales is "Donkey Skin", a story about a princess who escapes a incestual relationship with the king, only to return in disguise, wearing a donkey's skin, to exact revenge.
100 years ago, this story was huge. Now it is hardly known. - rensyphon, on 09/22/2008, -1/+11Myeah, we really lost a lot of complexities. Ever read the Tinder Box? It's a heart-warming fairy tale about a soldier who is asked to get some golden tinderbox for this beggar woman in sewer or something that's full of gold and stuff. So he gets it, but when the woman asks him for the tinder box, he kills her. Then he goes on a spending binge and whores around for a while until he runs out of gold. Then he finds out that the tinder box summons some giant, magical dogs that do his bidding. So he does what anyone would do: he uses the dogs to kidnap the princess so he can do things to her in her sleep. Well, obviously, the king and queen aren't too happy about this. So the soldier uses the dogs to kill the king and queen, marries the princess (who had only known him thus far in vague "rape memories" that have surfaced every now and then), and lives happily ever after.
- rdubya44, on 09/22/2008, -3/+13Girls learn at a young age that they like their hair being pulled by a man...
- spookyttws, on 09/22/2008, -0/+10But there is a huge difference between evolving and changing with the times and removing the actual message of the story. Life is not fair, and not simple. Life is complex with highs and lows with villains and horrible acts of violence and abuse. Saying everything is happily ever after isn't really true.
- Aensland, on 09/22/2008, -0/+9Yeah, I read it long ago when I was younger, didn't quite get it... need to find it back, preferably an 'unabridged' version.
Edit: woop, found it :D
http://andersen.com.ua/en_the_tinder_box.html
Uncut, ha! - gr00vy, on 09/22/2008, -0/+8Shhhh. They might do a story about pirating, drunken behavior, waring, prostitution, and the official state police are the *bad* guys.
- Noein, on 09/22/2008, -2/+10Let Disney tell their sanitized version of fairy tales. If parents want their kids to learn some lessons from classic fairy tales, tell those to their kids themselves. Don't expect movies to do parents' job. Isn't part of the reason why everything is so sanitized now days is those stupid parents complaining about things being offensive in the first place?
- smacksaw, on 09/22/2008, -1/+9Yup. I hate Disney bastardisations. The people who love Disney and put stickers on their cars and ***** need to find Jesus or something.
- Tbyrd073, on 09/22/2008, -0/+6Honestly I think that the Grimm Fairy Tales teach more than the current dumbed down versions that they show children. I was exposed to Grimm fairy tales when I was like 8 and I always thought they were much more satisfying to read and the messages at the end, like with Rapunzel, that not everything in life occurs exactly the way you would like but can be worked out for the better in the end. I think these are lessons that children deserve to know.
- Estaris, on 09/22/2008, -0/+6You mean ... you mean that's not true? *bottom lip trembles*
- Butter66, on 09/22/2008, -1/+7it's not just Disney, for example Cinderella has been changed and "cleaned up" little by little before Disney was ever around to pussify children
- Estaris, on 09/22/2008, -0/+5But man could those crows sing it!!!!
I honestly had no idea there was anyone getting "bent out of shape" over the crows in Dumbo.
That just sounds strange to me. *shrug* - p3ngwin, on 09/22/2008, -1/+6when "the lion king" came out, people thought the hyenas were racist because they got Whoopie Goldberg and Cheech Marin to voice them.
this despite the fact that James Earl Jones voiced Simba's father, Mufasa!
http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/film_review.asp? ... - ntopaz, on 09/22/2008, -2/+7Bowdlerizing of "offensive" material is, unfortunately, too common in Western arts and literature.
- abarysh2, on 09/22/2008, -0/+5In the original "The Little Mermaid", the prince marries somebody else, the mermaid dies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Anders ... - crickey23, on 09/22/2008, -0/+5What's even worse, is now she has her own troupe of fairy friends, featuring one of every race! I know that it's cool to be politically correct these days, but do we really need to have a black, Asian, ect. fairy just because Tinkerbell is white?
Also, Wal-Mart sells tons of stuff with her image on it. I hate it, it's like she's a sex symbol or something! - NoozeHound, on 09/22/2008, -2/+6My guess is you're not a parent. I nod to your theory about the sanitization process though.
However, the all powerful Disney machine (but feel free to insert Mattel here too) defines those stories for that target audience. If you were to read Cinderella (un-sanitized) to a Disney-exposed 4-7 year-old girl, she would be asking about the whereabouts of Gus and Lucifer.
For the record I fall on the side of the wolves, the witches, trolls etc - in the stories. - hakluytbean, on 09/22/2008, -1/+5"No one ever got rich overestimating the intelligence of the American public.” (P. T. Barnum)
Good for Disney and the American entertainment biz, but the price Americans unfortunately have to pay is that they're popularly considered to be stupid. Ask anyone. - jtinz, on 09/22/2008, -0/+4The Grimm brothers were the first to write down many of the tales, but they already redacted them heavily. Other versions are closer to the oral tradition and are full of violence, rape and incest. The Grimm brothers didn't think these versions to be appropriate for the refined tastes of their audience. The original tales were typically not aimed at childrens.
- Cornfedhusker, on 09/22/2008, -0/+3I guess it's because you don't have eyebrows.
- Aensland, on 09/22/2008, -0/+3Hmm... to be fair, it only says he kissed the princess when she was brought to him. It doesn't really make it clear how long she was with him during each "visit".
- EricDowner, on 09/22/2008, -1/+4"calibrated to appeal to the lowest common denominator" much like the rest of North American culture...
- Philbert, on 09/22/2008, -0/+3Check out the movie Snow White: A Tale of Terror. Terrible name but excellent movie. Much closer to the original story than the watered down Disney version.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119227/ - bemenaker, on 09/22/2008, -0/+3I was rasied on Grimm's drove my mother crazy that Dad would read them to my sister and I after dinner. But I loved them, and still do. They left a far better impression on me than Disney's BS. Yes, Dad explained the stories and their meanings after reading. It did work.
- mbtria, on 09/22/2008, -0/+3As noted by ntopaz above, the brothers Grimm bowdlerized these stories. But they edited out the sex to make the stories "appropriate" for the family. What is "appropriate" is a matter of fashion, and more reflects the fears of the censors than the psyches of the readers.
- Matri, on 09/22/2008, -0/+2Lucifer was very forgettable, and Gus was eminently annoying enough that I WISHED he was forgettable.
- inactive, on 09/22/2008, -1/+3"pussify children"
That sounds wrong. - thisoneisunique, on 09/22/2008, -0/+2Wow, that site is brilliant! Seven languages! Thanks so much.
- dn11, on 09/22/2008, -1/+3in other words... long before there was 4chan, there was fairy tales.
- smacksaw, on 09/22/2008, -2/+4Fairy orgies? Is that Peter Pan, or Friday night at the Gay Village?
ha ha... - zephc, on 09/22/2008, -6/+8I like the Reader Digest's Word Power section too.
- Elranzer, on 09/22/2008, -0/+2She redeems herself, though.
- Kyora, on 09/23/2008, -0/+2I remember reading that in elementary school after I found it at the library. I had always been fond of fairy tales so I decided to read it.
I think it may have traumatized me a bit at the time, but it's also the reason why I've read all or most of the Grimm fairy tale collection. - petebot, on 09/22/2008, -0/+2you missed out.
- bemenaker, on 09/22/2008, -0/+2I've heard that story, it was in the Grimm's collection.
- stellamaris, on 09/22/2008, -2/+4I always saw Tink as a fairy who was in love with Peter Pan, who was oblivious of her. Her jealousy of Wendy is what made her mean, but it also made us like Wendy a little less. Of course, I was also young when Hook came out, which contributed to my interpetation of Tinkerbell greatly.
She's definitely a sex symbol. One of the first images I can remember of a female being self-conscious of her body was from Tink, when in the Disney movie she's in the drawer looking at herself (her ass) in the mirror. I can remember measuring my hips with her hands like she does, but I was SIX. It's images like this that made me worry about my weight way earlier than I had to, affecting my self-esteem at a very young age. - shipwreck58, on 09/22/2008, -0/+2Destroy Disney! Burn Ratworld!
- petebot, on 09/22/2008, -0/+2Yeah. Tinkerbell totally tries to kill Wendy.
- diblasio, on 09/22/2008, -4/+5 The world isn't as rough today for most people as it was back when these stories were written. I don't see a problem with the stories evolving along with the times.
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