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Phoenicians Left Deep Genetic Mark, Study Shows

nytimes.com — New research suggests that as many as 1 in 17 men living today on the coasts of North Africa and southern Europe may have a Phoenician direct male-line ancestor.

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  • MacBookForMe, on 10/31/2008, -1/+14No worries, we are all related...somehow...
  • inactive, on 10/31/2008, -3/+11ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ --Alphabet in the house!
  • Lutremi, on 11/01/2008, -0/+5Just for the record, they didn't invent the alphabet as my World History I textbook said - they more or less inherited it from earlier Semitic peoples, who got it as communications tool between Semitic mercenaries fighting in an Egyptian civil war and their military leaders. The alphabet we use today came from the Romans, who got it from the Greeks, who got it from the Phoenicians (of course, with variations between them). You can blame good 'ol Herodotus and the people in his time for basically assuming the Phoenicians invented it.

    /research paper
  • raydeen, on 11/01/2008, -2/+6Phoenicians loved to phuck.
  • outoforder, on 11/01/2008, -0/+4Sounds like someone's been reading conspiracy web sites. What about the Sephardic Jews from Iraq, Iran and North Africa. They have nothing to do with the Khazars.
  • outoforder, on 10/31/2008, -1/+4Huh? The Moors and the Phoenicians are not the same people.
  • seltaeb4, on 11/01/2008, -0/+3They left a deep alphabetic mark, too.
  • bstepanian, on 10/31/2008, -0/+3True Romance, Dennis Hopper / Christopher Walken scene.
  • zerton, on 11/01/2008, -2/+5I think you might be forgetting one crucial part of Jewish history...
  • elbergel, on 11/01/2008, -0/+3There's a glaring historical inaccuracy in this reporting:

    "The monumental ruins of Carthage, at modern Tunis, are about the only visible reminders of their former greatness."

    The Roman general Scipio destroyed Phoenecian Carthage in the Third Punic War (149 BC to 146 BC). The ruins of which the author speaks are of Roman Carthage.

    http://www.sacred-destinations.com/tunisia/carthag ...
  • cowman80i9, on 11/01/2008, -0/+3Lol, my mom (Lebanese) got so excited over this. Clearly, she doesn't understand genetics, nor does the Lebanese broadcasting network. They claim, and i quote as closely as i can.

    "Lebanese Christians are now proven NOT Arab, they are Phoenicians. The Lebanese Muslims are Arabs and we are NOT them, we are a separate race as per our religious beliefs, which are as a matter of fact purely artificial and in no way related to our genes."

    I guess I exaggerated the last part, but believe me they do genuinely believe religion is in your blood...
  • outoforder, on 11/01/2008, -0/+2The Moors and the Phoenicians are NOT THE SAME people. The Moors originated in Algeria/Morocco and the Phoenicians originated in the Levant.
  • richnojutsu, on 10/31/2008, -0/+2True Romance!
  • ZenMojo, on 11/01/2008, -0/+1Tell that to Sammy Davis, Jr.
  • migshark, on 11/01/2008, -0/+1Everyone with blues is supposedly descended from someone who had a teeny tiny pigment mutation/thingy.
  • bonjourmr, on 11/01/2008, -1/+2Dennis Hopper's version of events:
    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm_LbJTvTWA
  • gkiltz, on 11/01/2008, -0/+1The most amazing thing about the Phoenicians is how little we really know!
    For a race of people that once dominated a big chunk of the civilized world, they surprisingly left few traces!
  • risar, on 11/01/2008, -0/+1Dark-skinned Jews are treated the same as Palestinians and Arab-Christians. That's the primary reason why Arabs say the land was stolen. It was not Hebrews who reclaimed the land (they were co-existing with the Arabs), it was European Jews who came in huge waves starting shortly before World War 2.
  • bonjourmr, on 11/01/2008, -1/+2Othello?
  • cowman80i9, on 11/01/2008, -0/+1yeah i know you people (ha, i am one too) like to think that, but it isn't completely true. A couple of strands of DNA doesn't make you an ancient race.
  • Velnich, on 11/01/2008, -0/+1I want to have my genome read.
  • zerton, on 10/31/2008, -2/+3the Moors invaded Sicily!

    what was that movie?
  • FolkTheory, on 11/01/2008, -0/+1no, thats venice versus ottomans, the fact that Mr. O is moor has nothing to do
  • pinchduck, on 11/01/2008, -0/+1The horny sailor in port meme must have started with them.
  • SadMartigan, on 11/25/2008, -0/+1You are right that Moors are not the same as Phoenicians. The idea of this study is that genetic markers would indicate that the Moors inherited DNA from the same source of DNA as the group the scientists used to represent Phoenicians.

    Since there are no actual Moors nor Phoenicians around to draw blood from, I'm not sure how they determined this, but I'm sure they have a reliable and statistically sound way of arriving at the conclusions they did.

    I would assume that it shows that the Phoenicians that lived in Algeria and Morocco had descendants who mixed with Moors, who mixed with Romans -with Iberians -with Arabs -with Berbers etc etc etc.

    Determining identity is not a pure science. DNA is only a small part of your identity, and often the truth that it reveals goes against the belief we still hold about identity, The most important truth it reveals is that we are one race; the human race.
  • SadMartigan, on 11/25/2008, -0/+1The same way we call that country Israel and not Judah. Perception is reality.
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  • inactive, on 11/01/2008, -5/+5Can someone explain to me how the Modern Jew, descended from Khazar tribes off the Russian Steppe and only converted to Judaism in the 9th century AD can claim Israel aka Occupied Palestine when their khazar ancestors never set foot in the Middle East?

    The Palestinians are true descendants of the ancient Hebrews and Phoenicians. Jesus was a Palestinian.
  • stutimandal, on 11/01/2008, -2/+1No wonder a lot of people are phony :)
  • fwertz, on 11/01/2008, -2/+1Phoe real?
  • shervin123, on 10/31/2008, -2/+1The Lebanese are the Phoenicians of today.
  • MoeWasHere, on 11/01/2008, -2/+1Pffftt .... i can say relatively the same about men in China or Yemen or any other place continuously inhabited by the same people for millenniums on end. They would have a better chance of slowly spreading their seeds over time and distance.
  • inactive, on 11/01/2008, -3/+1woohoo this makes me proud to be of Phoenician descent!
  • SadMartigan, on 11/25/2008, -5/+2Some day in the future, when the U.S. is no longer the U.S., and some other civilization is in the world's spotlight, will they be able to look back and say, "this is the U.S. gene?"
    The answer is, "No." This is a good thing.

    All humans are related. There is only one race.
  • ThatsNotPudding, on 10/31/2008, -4/+1That's a lot of boinking.
  • bstepanian, on 10/31/2008, -4/+1That's a lot of f***ing

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