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- RainyDayNinja, on 06/29/2009, -5/+91So Diggers' love of gun rights is going head-to-head against their hatred of religion. I'm getting popcorn.
- gbudavid, on 06/28/2009, -19/+89Yep Should be open carry all the time...
- seltaeb4, on 06/28/2009, -20/+80Who Would Jesus Shoot?
- badqat, on 06/28/2009, -6/+50Kentucky is an open carry state - while it's illegal to conceal without a permit (CCDW), it's perfectly legal to carry a sidearm like in the old west.
- DrJen, on 06/28/2009, -8/+51Indeed. Here, one fellow with a conceal permit saved his little boy when a pit bull started an attack while they were walking home from synagogue. I was glad to hear that someone else is armed in case there is ever a need.
- Murrabbit, on 06/29/2009, -23/+60“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."
-Jesus ***** Christ - DrJen, on 06/29/2009, -8/+44I assume that the person who voted against my comment is a) a member of PETA, b) a hater of little kids, -or- c) ready to be fed to the pit bull.
- Paulish, on 06/29/2009, -2/+36Yes. And churches should also stop promoting freedom of religion. They are getting way to political these days.
I am an atheist, but I think it is kinda silly to believe that a religious denomination could avoid any sort of political message. Religions is usually about moral rules, and often a certain stance on morality leads to a certain stance on politics. Plain and simple. - earthforce1, on 06/29/2009, -9/+42You haven't been watching the news about Jihadis in Afghanistan/Pakistan much lately, have you?
- phlp, on 06/28/2009, -18/+50Unloaded guns??? What's the point?
I don't believe it's any business of the church to be holding an event like this. The same with promoting one political candidate over another. They shouldn't do it. Going to church is for the communion with God and other believers.
It's great that church supports its congregation to carry. I carry every time I go to church. I just think they went to far. As did the other church with the anti-gun message. How can they promote giving up our God given right to protect ourselves? - copypastry, on 06/29/2009, -3/+305 bucks says no abortion doctors attended.
- CJ117, on 06/28/2009, -25/+50Oh yeah! Because Jesus was a total gunslinger and advocated protection of property by lethal means.
- hankthedwarf, on 06/29/2009, -22/+47Buried for redneck *****.
If Jesus were around today, you'd all call him a filthy socialist liberal for giving food away and chase him out of town or have him arrested for being a wandering derelict. - earthforce1, on 06/29/2009, -5/+28Praise the lord and pass the ammunition...
- Dimensio, on 06/29/2009, -4/+26"And things were safer in the old wild west?"
In general, crime rates were relatively low. - gdo01, on 06/29/2009, -3/+24First quote is metaphorically speaking about a person's body who is under attack by a demon.
Second quote seems to be about Jesus preparing for a possible confrontation at the Mount of Olives.
The third quote is just eye for an eye justice usually found in the Old Testament. Curiously, the rest of that passage suggest that a thief killed after sunrise does count as bloodshed. - browwiw, on 06/29/2009, -0/+19Cpt, you can't bring out a case of a CCW holder shooting a kid because there isn't. In all the years that concealed carry licenses have been in issued in America, only 5 have ever used their weapons in an illegal assault
As a CCW permit holder, I can tell you that the people who get permits have impeccable records and are as milquetoast as hell. We're the designated drivers of the world.
And before you go down 'that' route...I'm a liberal atheist. - jivatmanx, on 06/29/2009, -5/+24@Cpt
I could bring up statistics of how Britain, having banned guns and many other things that can be used as weapons, has extraordinarily high rates of robbery and is now the cocaine capital of Europe. I'm sure you have anti-gun statistics as well.
But ultimately, it's just a battle of principles. Do you believe in the goodness of humanity, and believe that if they are allowed to be fully free and have a government of themselves, that they will reach their fullest potential? I answer yes. If you answer no, ultimately you believe humanity is bad, cruel, and must be ruled with an Iron fist. - kingofinternet, on 06/29/2009, -3/+21I can't believe this idiot actually suggests that Jesus was giving people advice on home security and purchasing weapons.
Matt. 26:52
"For all who draw the sword will die by the sword"
Luke 11:21
This is a parable. The 'Strong Man' is Beelzebub, the castle is man and the treasures, the man's soul.
Luke 22:37-38
"For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough."
Jesus needed just two swords to be counted amongst the criminals and fulfill prophecy by being crucified with the thieves and murderers. i.e. criminals carry weapons.
Exodus 22:2-3
"If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed;
but if it happens after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed.
"A thief must certainly make restitution, but if he has nothing, he must be sold to pay for his theft.
This is Mosaic law, nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. Civilized societies no longer regard slavery as a legitimate means of punishment. - synapz, on 06/29/2009, -4/+21@pintomp3:
Actually, yeah.
http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/3_1/3_1_2.pdf - jivatmanx, on 06/29/2009, -7/+24No, they just think that the government, not you, should be held completely responsible for your safety.
Too bad cops are heavier than guns. - SadMartigan, on 06/29/2009, -1/+17The entire Constitution, and all policies that have come forth since its ratification, were shaped by exceptional events.
The same events that caused the inhabitants of the British colonies in America to dream up, and fight for, a better way of life.
To give us that life they had to adopt the "don't tread on me" attitude, and to "live free or die."
It is sad that there are so many who allow the powerful to tread on them, just for the privilege of having been stepped on by somebody important, and who are complacent to simply live the way they're told.
Why do we have more fear that someone might stop taking care of us, than we do that our crutch will become the worst kind of restraint?
The last, and most important, hope we have against remaining cripples, through our own dependence on a government, is to make sure that the government's power over us is crippled. We are supposed to govern ourselves. We are the people.
We provide for our own personal welfare; Our own pursuits.
It is for their own general welfare that the people themselves remain sovereign, both in their individual persons, and in their common rights, and to resolve their own difficulties in obtaining happiness, by limiting how and when they allow government to kibitz in on their liberty.
The government belongs to us, we don't belong to it. - inactive, on 06/29/2009, -2/+17I've open carried my Sig everywhere that it's legal for the last 6 years and the only thing a cop's ever said to me is, "What kind of gun is that." To which I replied, "It's a Sig Sauer, and you should give one a try some time. I'll almost guarantee that you'd like it better than the Glock."
- hondaman, on 06/29/2009, -10/+24Clinging to their guns and religion. Clearly enemies of BHO.
- Ishiguro, on 06/29/2009, -4/+18it's perfectly legal to carry a sidearm like in the now.
- Diefree, on 06/28/2009, -18/+31I agree the second amendment is important but doesn't even having a gun go against Jesus's teachings completely? He said turn the other cheek when attacked not unload the clip. I did like the shirt that read "What gun would Jesus carry?"
- jjohnstn, on 06/29/2009, -29/+42Luke 11:21
"Whenever a strong man, fully armed and equipped, is guarding his own castle, he enjoys peaceful possession of his property"
Luke 22:36
"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
Exodus 22:2
"If a thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, their shall be no guilt for his bloodshed."
A sword being the weapon of choice during Jesus' time. - SadMartigan, on 06/29/2009, -0/+12@Cpt...
"what if this 'government of themselves' decides that handgun ownership runs counter to society..."
That's precisely why Madison made sure certain common rights, such as this one, which are so crucial to free peoples, was included in the Bill of Rights of the Constitution.
He knew that there are very few things that we are entitled to, and even fewer if we do not have the liberty to revolt, and that any Reasonable public would never allow the amendment of such liberty, unless it was in order to further limit the reach of government in favor of greater freedom, and that even then, it should be a difficult and boring, and time consuming process. - gdo01, on 06/29/2009, -10/+22First quote is metaphorically speaking about a person's body who is under attack by a demon.
Second quote seems to be about Jesus preparing for a possible confrontation at the Mount of Olives.
The third quote is just eye for an eye justice usually found in the Old Testament. Curiously, the rest of that passage suggest that a thief killed after sunrise does count as guilty of bloodshed. - Akairenn, on 06/29/2009, -4/+15A little known fact is that Jesus and Moses used guns to defeat the Romans.
- gbudavid, on 06/28/2009, -5/+16Nobody ... He doesn't have to...
- whatthefu, on 06/28/2009, -8/+19I don't think they should be promoting it either way. They should be permitting gun rights, but it's not their job to take a stance on such issues. Guns are weapons that are used to kill, like it or not, and that is not a Christian message.
- Dimensio, on 06/28/2009, -19/+29Why, then, did no homicides occur at the reported event?
- jjohnstn, on 06/29/2009, -20/+30Not really:
Luke 11:21
"Whenever a strong man, fully armed and equipped, is guarding his own castle, he enjoys peaceful possession of his property"
Luke 22:36
"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
Exodus 22:2
"If a thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, their shall be no guilt for his bloodshed."
A sword being the weapon of choice during Jesus' time. - drmangrum, on 06/29/2009, -1/+11Wow, as an Atheist, I'm appalled by most of these comments. I can't believe how many people who like to label themselves as "educated" lack even basic understanding of the bible. So much ***** taken out of context.
- Samurai77, on 06/29/2009, -8/+18You sir fail, fail so big I can't even get my head around it.
- Jeepinator, on 06/29/2009, -1/+10That doesn't have anything to do with someone threatening your life or the life of your family. I think you need to reread it several times and realize that his last sentence is metaphorical.
- casek, on 06/29/2009, -4/+13Good for them. 2nd amendment is there to defend the rest of them.
"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States - hackiavelli, on 06/29/2009, -6/+15Maybe they need to cut out the middle man and worship their guns directly. I grew up around firearms and I just can't fathom the right's obsession with them (or the left's fear for that matter). Does the church have First Amendment days where everyone can come in and curse and blasphemy?
- lukedamonkey, on 06/29/2009, -4/+13What does cocaine have to do with gun laws?
Anyways, I agree, It's impossible to defeat guns so we should let law abiding citizens have them rather than just criminals. However, isn't it silly that it's legal to own something that only brings death and pain, but we can't have a plant that only gets us high and happy? - Falldog, on 06/29/2009, -6/+14Seems like people showed up just to show off their guns. Not to worship. The event is just a gimmick.
- moxley, on 06/29/2009, -2/+10I think that's actually a good idea!
- jgzman, on 06/29/2009, -5/+13Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic.
—Luke 6:27-31
Exodus is an irrelevant statement here. It was written centuries before Jesus' time, and he specifically repudiated the 'old laws.' - lead2thehead, on 06/29/2009, -3/+10A gun is an inanimate object and is incapable of being violent.
- inactive, on 06/30/2009, -0/+7I wouldn't get a glock because it has an unnatural break angle. If you're not used to shooting one, which I am and still can't shoot the ***** thing straight, you'll always hit high. The sig has the break angle of a 1911 and has a much more natural point of aim.
- snupples, on 06/29/2009, -4/+11Apparently you missed the part where it said Thou Shalt Not Kill.
- SpinningHead, on 06/29/2009, -5/+12These type of religious gun nuts don't like having their own hypocrisy pointed out. Its like telling a suicide bomber that Mohamed thinks they're a douche.
- DaDrake, on 06/29/2009, -2/+9Actually the actual translation is thou shall not murder.
Murder =/= killing
Murder is killing without justified reason.
There are times the bible endorses killing (hey its justified!). - NotSarcasm, on 06/29/2009, -3/+10Walk lightly and carry a big stick
--God G. Wellington - jgzman, on 06/29/2009, -2/+9"For truly I tell you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you." - Matthew 17:19-20
Shall I calculate the energies involved in stopping a bullet vs moving a mountain? Assuming they scale linearly, the faith required to deflect bullets should be approximately the size of a Orchid seed. (~85 micrometers) -
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