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- anonymiau, on 10/04/2008, -37/+159The niqab is the ultimate dehumanization of women. It can't be justified by anything else than religious dogma. The feeble excuses coming from young women about how they feel safer behind a veil is just ***** inherited from their oppressed mothers. Smiles, frowns and other facial expressions, all this silent communication is not possible with someone behind a veil. They are hardly functional in society. I understand the ongoing debate in Europe on banning this garment in schools. It's bad enough girls are forced to wear it at home.
- inactive, on 10/05/2008, -9/+71I support the banning of all clothing.
Who knows what people are hiding underneath their pants? - geekchic, on 10/04/2008, -19/+71The garb is less religious and more cultural - also most girls in the UK are not "forced" to wear it, but make that choice for themselves.
I don't particuarly like it as a garment, but I also respect the right of people to choose what they want to wear.
After all, we are supposed to live in a Democracy. - 12916studios, on 10/05/2008, -1/+41An eye-opening article. It completely changed my perspective on what it must be like for Muslim women.
- pintomp3, on 10/05/2008, -0/+36there is no basis for the niqab or hijab in the quran, they are both pre-islamic cultural practices that got exported from the tribes in saudi arabia. that being said, calling for bans is not the way to go. tolerance and education go a lot further than turning ourselves into a fascist society that dictates what people are allowed to wear or what cultural attire is permitted. i wouldn't support banning it any more than i would support banning yarmulkes, nun mantillas, or klan hoods.
- Azerael, on 10/05/2008, -0/+33Only for people within a certain BMI range, please...
- Sornos, on 10/05/2008, -16/+48You guys are more disturbed by the robes than the racism of the common people?
- kingofinternet, on 10/04/2008, -9/+39excellent article, well written
- bonk2k, on 10/05/2008, -6/+36Let's ban it! That'll teach them about oppression!
- quaunaut, on 10/05/2008, -5/+34I had never thought of one's reasons for wearing one, but this certainly gives me a different perspective of things.
However, nice to see that America isn't the only place full of ignorant bigots toward Muslims.
(Sarcasm) - anonymiau, on 10/04/2008, -4/+31She could, but she'd probably go to jail for randomly shooting anything that moves.
And by the way sunshine, this article is from an English magazine about a social experiment in London. That's on the other side of the world from the US if you need some brush up on your geography-knowledge. - Sornos, on 10/05/2008, -2/+27Yeah! That'll show 'em who's enlightened!
- dfsjdkflasjk, on 10/05/2008, -1/+23"I explicitly told you I wanted to punch him in the face."
Best line on digg that I've seen in a long time. - anonymiau, on 10/05/2008, -13/+35No, not really. The idiot yelling "terrorist" at her was such a pathetic ***** I wanted to punch him in the face. But there is a saying: "when in Rome, do as the Romans do." It's a pretty wise saying. If you stand out too much from the rest of the crowd, you will be treated accordingly.
- Sornos, on 10/05/2008, -22/+43Open your mind to difference in culture.
Most of these women wear it out of choice (barring extreme theocracy). In the company of only women, they are free, and often do, remove any robes or coverings. Islam says that men are weak so women must cover their beauty so that men don't succumb.
If there were a culture of nudists what would they think of us? "They make their women wear more clothing than their men AND women don't have the right to bear their chest like men do".
It is a part of their culture just like it is in ours. - anonymiau, on 10/05/2008, -14/+34In certain regions of the world, mutilating the genital organs of babies is considered culture. For females, this could mean cutting off both the clitoris and the labials, then sewing it all together, leaving just a small slit for urine to pass through. The female is then "opened up" by sexual penetration, often accompanied by great pain. If the clitoris is removed, the woman's ability to experience orgasm or sexual satisfaction is in many cases not possible at all.
Is this an acceptable practice just because some people consider it to be culture and tradition? - medfreak, on 10/05/2008, -0/+19Niqab is not compulsory in Islam and all Muslim scholars know it. The turds in Saudi Arabia can't get that into their thick skulls and the more they can force ***** like this on women the better for them.
It is typical case of how people abuse their Religious powers even when their own religion does not require it. - iofthestorm, on 10/05/2008, -1/+20They aren't force to wear it at home you douche, they only have to wear it outside.
- verbose, on 10/05/2008, -0/+18Glad to see religion exposed and discussed, not merely accepted and feared.
- draculthemad, on 10/05/2008, -7/+25A child under the age of consent is just that.
It is assumed that any choice they make is at the will of their parent.
It doesn't matter if they are "wearing the veil" or any other activity.
Just because there isn't someone following them around with a shotgun doesnt mean they are making the decision out of free will. We've all heard the horror stories of muslim extremists attacking women who don't do it with acid, or dousing them in gas and setting them on fire, or just gunning them down.
It doesnt matter if they do it out of fear of retribution or even just condemnation from their family behind closed doors. It still isnt 'choice'. - staticneuron, on 10/05/2008, -3/+21The responses here are even more eye opening. I wouldn't believe there were so many bigoted people on digg even if you told me.
- jec68, on 10/05/2008, -3/+20Well, I hope you don't go to Iran, because there are no gays in Iran.
- maliath, on 10/05/2008, -6/+22I'm going to travel to the middle east and do a cultural piece. I'm going to wear typical West Texas country garb (with a Texas Flag themed pearl button snap shirt and wrangler jeans) and play the part of a homosexual. I just really want people to know what it's like to have certain cultural values in a place where the majority do not have them.
- 1776, on 10/04/2008, -5/+21Just curious, are you Muslim?
- imtiazmt, on 10/05/2008, -5/+21i totally agree with this. when it comes to the veil, all democratic rules go down the gutter. the hypocrisy is mind boggling
- flashback99, on 10/05/2008, -3/+18I think anyone should be able to wear what they want as long as they don't judge anyone else. So go ahead wear a full veil, but stfu if you think you're somehow morally better than the girl in the bikini at the beach, simply for covering yourself. Same goes for the women who think all veiled girls are oppressed.
- wexmajor, on 10/05/2008, -1/+16What you're going to do is get ***** killed.
- anonymiau, on 10/05/2008, -16/+30Open my mind to oppression of women because "men are weak" according to some insane religion?
Sorry, but I am a woman, and I have no respect for your stone age sentiments. I also don't believe your claim that women choose to hide behind impractical veils that get in the way every time they want to eat or drink, makes communication difficult, and strips them of identity to anyone but the man who happens to own them. If the veil was so awesome, you'd see women in the west (of all religions or lack thereof) choosing to wear them too. That's certainly not the case.
By the way, I live in Europe. Women go topless on the beach here all the time. I guess I'll have to say: European men FTW! Apparently, they are a hell of a lot stronger than muslim men. - W00DR0W, on 10/05/2008, -4/+18At the supermarket a baby no more than two years old takes one look at me and bursts into tears. I move towards him. "It's OK," I murmur. "I'm not a monster. I'm a real person." I show him the only part of me that is visible - my hands - but it's too late. His mother has whisked him away.
So she's in the baby's face staring dead at the kid with her hands out toward him saying "I'm a real person"?
Is she trying to scare the hell out of the mother! - Mankrik, on 10/05/2008, -0/+13I have to say this was a really interesting read, you gotta give the author some serious credit for putting herself through that.
That said, it's nice to see that the niqab is becoming less popular in some places. Isn't it great when people realize that not everything in religion needs to followed exactly as someone else wants them to? - inactive, on 10/05/2008, -6/+19LetterBox Ladies
- dfsjdkflasjk, on 10/05/2008, -1/+14We should remove all laws that prohibit taxing churches. Upon doing so, we should cease sending governmental agencies, such as firefighters, to these churches when they're on fire unless: a) it might cause harm to a human being, or b) might cause harm to nearby buildings.
- fenny45, on 10/05/2008, -0/+13Needle dick.
- WombleSlayer, on 10/05/2008, -1/+14Obviously you've never met the English white van man.
They're the UK's version of rednecks, in a sense. - 1hrSleep, on 10/05/2008, -1/+13http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2syY12OPkwI
=P You don't need to travel! You can be easily hated in almost every country! - imtiazmt, on 10/05/2008, -13/+25making women walk around in bikinis (and without them) to become sexual objects for men's viewing pleasure is oppressive, and don't say they choose to do so. as clearly from your argument the choice is not there. Because if a woman chooses to cover herself, you label her as an extremist, so where is the choice?
- Fleshbeast, on 10/05/2008, -1/+12I dunno, I bet she'd have similar experiences if she did this in the US. There are ignorant people in every country.
- flashback99, on 10/05/2008, -1/+12The quran applies to modern muslims about as much as the bible applies to modern christians. Everyone picks and chooses their beliefs. Everyone knows the muslim who drinks, the christian who has anal.
Just cos you quote a book doesnt suddenly act as proof behind an individual's beliefs and behaviour. - Shiloah, on 10/04/2008, -20/+31The veil is oppressive. It ought to be banned everywhere, not just in the UK and US. All manner of foolishness is "justified" under claims of religious dogma. That doesn't make any of it right. Nor does it even mean a particular practice is integral to the religion, As the article states, "the Qur'an says: 'Allah has given you clothes to cover your shameful parts'". There is no way that statement can be twisted to say the whole female body is shameful from head to toe.
- theadvinci, on 10/05/2008, -1/+12"Could I try it on?" - What the hell? How impolite and idiotic is that?
- cptcaucasian, on 10/05/2008, -2/+13personally i feel quite awesome dressed as a ninja. it makes it harder for people to see me at night, and i can prowl around scaring kids with greater ease. it's especially fun on halloween. when i engage in ninja combat, my opponent can't see my facial expressions, and thus cannot use them to predict my next move. it is also good for concealing weapons like poison darts. ninjas are so damn awesome.
- jmoh, on 10/05/2008, -1/+12Very few women in Iran wear a "mask". Hijab is necessary, however this only covers the hair. Enforcement on this is also quite lax, which is why you see many women wearing it as more of a fashion piece not meant to hide anything. I've been to Saudi Arabia only once, but even in holy cities such as Mecca and Medina, I'm fairly sure few women wore the full veil. Sorry, but I wanted to explain this because it's important to note that it tends to differ between cultures, and that there is no strict mandate for which to follow.
- fenny45, on 10/05/2008, -1/+12All I could think after reading the story was wouldn't that be an awesome disguise for a bank robber? Completely covers the face, but not obvious like a ski mask.
- brentfrye, on 10/05/2008, -9/+19I am not a Muslim and personally I am against veils but to ban a religious expression is crossing the line. Even if some women are forced to wear them because of their family or another reason it is not up to the government or schools what is allowed or not.
- flashback99, on 10/05/2008, -0/+10I think anyone should be able to wear what they want as long as they don't judge anyone else. So go ahead wear a full veil, but stfu if you think you're somehow morally better than the girl in the bikini at the beach, simply for covering yourself. Same goes for the women who think all veiled girls are oppressed.
- imtiazmt, on 10/05/2008, -2/+12someone said "stone age sentiment" come to think of it, it was the stone age when people did nt cover themselves as much, so asking them to wear more clothes isn't actually stone age is it??
- fxu1989, on 10/05/2008, -5/+15One time when I was in Disney, coming out of the bathroom, there were these 3 women wearing the veil covering their faces. I didn't see them until I turned around, and when I did, it shocked me. I was scared. It was one of the few times that I stopped where I was and my legs weakened because I was scared.
Now, I'm not racist nor do I discriminate. I never pointed and laughed at anyone, nor do I panic screaming terrorist and whatnot... but when I can't see your face, when I can't see how you look, it frightens me. There's something about not being able to identify you that scares me. If you want to cover your head to keep the beauty for your husband, it's ok with me. I don't mind. But when it covers something that people use to identify each other (face), that's when I have slight problem (not that I say anything out loud... just an internal conflict). - W00DR0W, on 10/05/2008, -0/+9Qur'an [33.59] O Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments; this will be more proper, that they may be known, and thus they will not be given trouble; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
actually it seems to say that in general they don't need the veil, but I think other translations make it specific to foreign lands, like the bible this stuff all comes second hand. - reconsldr74d, on 10/05/2008, -1/+10Reading the back and forth argument here and other comments I found one recurring theme both amusing and disturbing. A fairly large group of people who support oppressing a cultural belief because some people use it for oppression. I suppose then, we should ban Kippahs and Talit Katan because they are worn to show humility before god and children are told to wear them by their parents? Or perhaps we should ban any clothing that uses derogatory or offensive terminology or imagery because it can be used as a form of oppression.
People comparing clothing to physical violence seems a tad extreme as well.
One of the biggest thing that drives me insane in this country (and others, it's certainly not just in the US) is that so many people claim to be tolerant but refuse to be accepting. Tolerance is about more then being ok with things that suit your beliefs. - dorkdork777, on 10/05/2008, -0/+9You got dugg down because someone posted the exact same thing BEFORE you. BEFORE.
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