From Russia With Hate: 2008 Webby Award (WARNING: Violence!) watch!
current.com — Current's news correspondent Christof Putzel investigates a growing movement in Russia where neo-Nazi groups are brutally attacking immigrants and spreading their hate by posting violent videos online. This video won both 2008 Webby Film and Video Awards and Webby People's Voice Awards nominations. An excellent piece of high-quality journalism!
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- joemofo214, on 05/12/2008, -56/+21shouldve been called russian history x.
that was lame, i know- matschig, on 05/12/2008, -3/+26why did you have to go and actually say it then?
- deforge, on 05/12/2008, -8/+6its debatable, but he might be an idiot.
- azbmr, on 05/12/2008, -2/+8Not a great way to start your first day on digg.
- alex7575, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6It's debatable, but he may have gotten banned for being a douche and created a new account today... to be a douche again...
- azbmr, on 05/12/2008, -2/+8Not a great way to start your first day on digg.
- deforge, on 05/12/2008, -8/+6its debatable, but he might be an idiot.
- Eskapismus, on 05/12/2008, -1/+9From Russia with Hate is lame too. Since that james bond movie every half assed director coming up with any documentary named it "From Russia with...".
- bmorris, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1From Russia With the Love Bone was hot!
- Trailer Park Boys, Canadian TV - blagoaw, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Guess everyone can 'Blame Canada' for that one.
/joining the spirit of lame and outdated references in journalism geared toward an audience that is ignorant of another country
- bmorris, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1From Russia With the Love Bone was hot!
- blackjack75, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1I liked "From Russia with an R"
- matschig, on 05/12/2008, -3/+26why did you have to go and actually say it then?
- dkapuchino, on 05/12/2008, -16/+139One can only hope those animals will once find themselves having to immigrate, and no country will be willing to accept them.
- Eskapismus, on 05/12/2008, -1/+13that's actually quite funny. Only Germany alone has more than a million russian immigrants. What about the states?
- dkapuchino, on 05/12/2008, -0/+8The Russian American population is reported to be around 3 million.
Israel also has about 1M immigrants from the former USSR.- Orion682, on 05/12/2008, -3/+23A major chunk of the Russian immigrants in the US is actually Russian Jews who fled Russia due to the fact that being Jewish is just as dangerous as being an immigrant there nowadays. My own family left for that reason, but we're considered Russian because we grew up there during the Soviet era, speak Russian, etc.
- dkapuchino, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1200,000 of them. The US closed their gates to Russian immigrants at a certain point.
- BabyWookie, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1The majority of them came back in the Soviet times, from all over the USSR. Most, I believe, are actually from Ukraine, but they are commonly referred to as "Russian." By the way, the vast majority of the "pogroms" in the early 20th century, also happened in Ukraine, but are some how associated with Russia.
Also, it's not really that dangerous or bad for the Jews in Russia right now. 7 or 8 or the top 10 richest men in Russia are Jews and there's a huge number of Jewish celebrities and politicians. I'm talking about people such as Roman Abramovich, Yosif Kabzon, Genady Khazanov, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, Boris Nemtsov, etc, etc. The Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev is also known as a fervent supporter of Jewish culture and causes.
- Orion682, on 05/12/2008, -3/+23A major chunk of the Russian immigrants in the US is actually Russian Jews who fled Russia due to the fact that being Jewish is just as dangerous as being an immigrant there nowadays. My own family left for that reason, but we're considered Russian because we grew up there during the Soviet era, speak Russian, etc.
- BabyWookie, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1Those immigrants are mostly Jews from different parts of the former USSR, primarily Ukraine.
- Neb28, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2not really funny as i'm sure majority of the Russian immigrants are not skinheads, so it's not like they support these acts of racism
- dkapuchino, on 05/12/2008, -0/+8The Russian American population is reported to be around 3 million.
- KlogereEndGrim, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5I think we should all pre-emptively throw them out in absentia, just to make sure.
- karaokekidd, on 05/12/2008, -3/+10That's the only 'issue' I have with immigration. Soo many countries that send out millions of immigrants are some of the most strict to give citizenship! You will never be able to become a chinese or japanese citizen. You will never be allowed to become a saudi citizen. India? nope. 90% of african nations? nope.
We need treaties of reciprocity for immigration to be fair and balanced, otherwise people will become resentful.- acidity, on 05/12/2008, -2/+10Being an Indian, I have to respectfully disagree with you atleast with India. Most of developed country citizens would never apply for citizenship up there as there is no incentive to do that. I come from Bangalore which is the Silicon Valley of India and in my time up there I met many American and European people who were working there but none wanted to apply for citizenship.
We have many refugees/citizens from countries in Africa, Tibet etc. and never ever you will see ***** like this happening. Even if there is propaganda by Pakistan/US to get the state of Kashmir because it has more muslims, let me give you a fact - there are are Muslims in India then in Pakistan (just because our sheer population number...i.e. even if we have 20% Muslims, that is more then the whole of Pakistan.- NasKa, on 05/13/2008, -1/+1Propaganda? Why everything an Indian says has something to do with Pakistan? What does second part of your comment has to do with topic on hand?
- acidity, on 05/12/2008, -2/+10Being an Indian, I have to respectfully disagree with you atleast with India. Most of developed country citizens would never apply for citizenship up there as there is no incentive to do that. I come from Bangalore which is the Silicon Valley of India and in my time up there I met many American and European people who were working there but none wanted to apply for citizenship.
- essjay, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6The irony is that Russia really needs immigrants. Not only is the "indigenous" population dwindling, but there are severe skills shortages. Russia needs the immigrants more than the immigrants need Russia. And that's becoming increasingly true with the massive polarization of wealth in the country (can you say "the complete opposite of communism"?).
- XMike14x, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2Isn't the reason they immigrated is to not be surrounded by skinhead fascists like these? Most of them were Jews, as said previously.
- straymonolith, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1The funny part is that these same idiots are rioting in Estonia, because Estonia will not give Russians welfare until they learn Estonian.
- Eskapismus, on 05/12/2008, -1/+13that's actually quite funny. Only Germany alone has more than a million russian immigrants. What about the states?
- chrissku, on 05/12/2008, -14/+34Hopefully Russia gets a grip on this ***** yesterday if you know what I'm saying.
- temporaryescape, on 05/13/2008, -0/+4immigrants should start carrying concealed weapons... i ***** would.
- adlep, on 05/12/2008, -8/+60Just wow!
Whats up with Russia and Hitler?- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -3/+95It's pretty weird considering what Hitler thought of Russians. He hated them.
- robdiggity, on 05/12/2008, -2/+55Again, another rare moment where I am surprised to see that I agree with you. Do these poor misguided kids even know they are ***** all over the sacrifices of their very own grandfathers?
- sdcarter, on 05/12/2008, -1/+30Of course they know it, how could they not. The real question is do they care.
- prkchpsndwiches, on 05/12/2008, -8/+2You stole my avatar!!!!!!!! It's ok... spread the PORKCHOP!
- robdiggity, on 05/12/2008, -2/+55Again, another rare moment where I am surprised to see that I agree with you. Do these poor misguided kids even know they are ***** all over the sacrifices of their very own grandfathers?
- Skafia, on 05/12/2008, -1/+10Well the neo-nazi movement in germany was met with huge resistance with the socialist party (and pretty much everyone else). But the socialists and neo-nazis would just have huge street rallies/brawls and the socialists pretty much won and much of the neo-nazi movement started to migrate east to Russia, which is the current state of affairs.
- Orion682, on 05/12/2008, -2/+71The problem is that Russia, and the surrounding former Soviet bloc states, are experiencing the same problems that Germany felt after the end of World War 1. With the collapse of Communism, the mob have taken control of Russia and poverty there is tremendous. Poverty makes people desperate, makes it difficult to educate them, and as a result, they feel the need to blame someone, ANYONE, for the problems that they were born into. In Nazi Germany, it was the Jews who made the Germans suffer, according to Hitler. In Russia, it's non-Russians.
- Petebyte, on 05/12/2008, -1/+16"The problem is that Russia, and the surrounding former Soviet bloc states, are experiencing the same problems that Germany felt after the end of World War 1. With the collapse of Communism, the mob have taken control of Russia and poverty there is tremendous. Poverty makes people desperate, makes it difficult to educate them, and as a result, they feel the need to blame someone, ANYONE, for the problems that they were born into. In Nazi Germany, it was the Jews who made the Germans suffer, according to Hitler. In Russia, it's non-Russians."
QFT sir! I wasn't expecting such an insightful comment on Digg. :-/ People should Digg you through the roof. You have it exactly right. When people are poor, angry, powerless and have little access to education they will flock to extremist groups because it feels like they are doing something to overcome the misery. Over time these groups turn these kids into psychopaths. And the cycle continues...
P.S. Look at the comment below me; "idiots are everywhere". This is the quality of comments I am used to from Digg. Short, pointless and with a massive amount of Diggs.- cloudcity, on 05/12/2008, -3/+8"When people are poor, angry, powerless and have little access to education they will flock to extremist groups because it feels like they are doing something to overcome the misery. Over time these groups turn these kids into psychopaths. And the cycle continues..."
Sums up Isreal's occupation of Palestine perfectly. Oppression breeds terror!
- cloudcity, on 05/12/2008, -3/+8"When people are poor, angry, powerless and have little access to education they will flock to extremist groups because it feels like they are doing something to overcome the misery. Over time these groups turn these kids into psychopaths. And the cycle continues..."
- BabyWookie, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1You might also have mentioned the fact, that, for the past 8 years, the Russian economy has been growing at an amazing rate and back a couple of years ago, it became the second most-immigrated to country in the world.
- Petebyte, on 05/12/2008, -1/+16"The problem is that Russia, and the surrounding former Soviet bloc states, are experiencing the same problems that Germany felt after the end of World War 1. With the collapse of Communism, the mob have taken control of Russia and poverty there is tremendous. Poverty makes people desperate, makes it difficult to educate them, and as a result, they feel the need to blame someone, ANYONE, for the problems that they were born into. In Nazi Germany, it was the Jews who made the Germans suffer, according to Hitler. In Russia, it's non-Russians."
- VitriolAndAngst, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6Not so surprising if you consider that kids who want to rebel, are going to pick whatever annoys their parents the most. You would never have satanism if it didn't annoy Christians, for instance.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3I'd like to ad, that, the REAL issue is a sense of disenfranchisement and powerlessness. The more depressed the youth get -- the more radical their passions.
Kids will latch onto long hair or tattoos to "annoy" their parents just to have their own identity.
When the kids latch onto things your parents fought and died against -- there is some serious anger going on.
Blaming foreigners -- is, however, very useful for the establishment. With Boris Yeltsin and now Putin, failing miserably, it helps them keep power if they can get people fighting amongst themselves rather than pointing the finger at the people in charge who are profiting from corruption. Remind you of anywhere else?- BabyWookie, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Err... I agree about Boris Yeltsin failing, miserably, but ask just about any Russian and he will tell you that things got a whole lot better under Putin, at least when it comes to living standards.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3I'd like to ad, that, the REAL issue is a sense of disenfranchisement and powerlessness. The more depressed the youth get -- the more radical their passions.
- exronin, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1That is how you define Irony, I bet a lot of these skinhead's family died defeating Hitler, and they end up worshiping him.
- BESTenemy, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7People should be familiar with Skinner Box experiment in psychology. 2 lab rats are placed in a box with electrified floor panels. As electricity is fed to the box, first the rats try to get out, but as the pain increases the rats start attacking eachother. Not seeing what the cause of the problem is, they associate the source with the presense of the other creature in the cage. People are no different. When they feel discomfort, without knowing the cause, they turn to blame. They accuse the first one they see. While trying to exclude themselves, they come up with criteria, such as the race, that makes "others" easily identifiable. They take out their frustration on someone that has little or nothing to do with the problem.
- XMike14x, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2What's up with Jews always being involved randomly. "Erm yeah immigrant, immigrant, JEW - ATTACK!!!"
- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -3/+95It's pretty weird considering what Hitler thought of Russians. He hated them.
- empeethree, on 05/12/2008, -14/+207idiots are everywhere
- grobinson, on 05/12/2008, -6/+19"Dey Took our Jobs!"
- nickert0n, on 05/12/2008, -16/+5Dugg for South Park Refrence
- wrathbone, on 05/12/2008, -2/+18Buried for explanation.
- nickert0n, on 05/12/2008, -16/+5Dugg for South Park Refrence
- Petebyte, on 05/12/2008, -15/+5Why do people keep Digging this completely pointless comment? It has 0 insight. The only reason I can see to Digg it is that by agreeing "others" are idiots you imply that you yourself are a non idiot. Feels good to feel like a non idiot while there are idiots somewhere out there doesn't it? Yay for ego strokes!
P.S. YOU ARE A GENIUS! YOU ARE THE SMARTEST AND THE BEST! I LOVE YOU! YOU ROCK! /hug- bbardlbradd, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1You could have read it, buried it and got on with your bad self... but no.
Who cares if it's short simple. It's not pointless. He for one, called them idiots, we all agree, and two, he made the point that they are everywhere, which is also true. It doesn't matter if what he said was original or revolutionary. It was short, people read it, and we all immediately agreed and carried on. It's not like a digg is a dollar, or in other words, he's not being paid for his service.
Also, don't try to tell a democracy how to think or work. - javip, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1i take it you're one of the idiots and got offended. /hug
- bbardlbradd, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1You could have read it, buried it and got on with your bad self... but no.
- ligyron, on 05/12/2008, -9/+4Pot calling the kettle black? Anything that is different from what Americans are used to, they just call it "stupid" or "they're idiots." Americans think they are the center of the universe. Believe me, everyone outside of America is making fun of you and your government
- Azimuth1, on 05/12/2008, -1/+9Uh, I'm English and I think these people are idiots too. How does calling racist people idiots mean that you're an igorant American?
- nothinghere, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5What part of the word "everywhere" don't you understand? Everywhere implies America too. It's not like empeethree said idiots are everywhere BUT America. I'm sure you could have found a more relevant post to use as a platform for slinging your anti-America drivel.
- mojoface, on 05/12/2008, -3/+1Very Nice
- grobinson, on 05/12/2008, -6/+19"Dey Took our Jobs!"
- uptwolait, on 05/12/2008, -7/+42Listening to that skinhead talk, all I could think of was "Hokay!.. Damn, that is a sweet earth, you might say."
- kentonguy, on 05/12/2008, -2/+20dubya tee eff mate
- mikemin, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5***** kangaroos
- CrazyArcher, on 05/12/2008, -0/+22AHHHHHHHHHHHH MOTHERLAND!
- t0x2c, on 05/12/2008, -13/+2Grand Theft Auto IV anyone?
- nickert0n, on 05/12/2008, -2/+20But im Le Tired!
- foxtwofoxtwo, on 05/12/2008, -1/+12Well then take le nap... THEN FIRE ZE MISSILES!!!!!!
- toliseju, on 05/12/2008, -0/+8ROUUUND.... with the ice caps melting, meteorites coming to crash into the earth, we're definately going to blow ourselves up.
- nickert0n, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2LAWL @ ROUUUND hahaha
- kentonguy, on 05/12/2008, -2/+20dubya tee eff mate
- matschig, on 05/12/2008, -55/+3gooks > russians
- Asianwaste, on 05/12/2008, -9/+6***** you, I'm not better than a Russian!!!!
- shiny100, on 05/12/2008, -17/+150scary stuff :S. Russia is ***** up. I dont understand how russians can admre hitler when only 60 years ago they lost more ppl than any other country fighting the nazis? :/
- justice7, on 05/12/2008, -4/+7you speak a lot of truth, i was thinking the same thing when reading the description. One would think the Russians would have a hate on for neo-nazism. I could see how they could become fascist, but nazi? No.
- donkz, on 05/12/2008, -4/+30There're neo-nazi movements everywhere. Just because you've seen one documentary about this, doesn't mean that all russians support these ideas. Hitler will never be an ideal for more than a bunch of idiots in this world.
- Vet4Peace, on 05/12/2008, -3/+7"Hitler will never be an ideal for more than a bunch of idiots in this world." LET US HOPE.
- ecape7, on 05/12/2008, -3/+8remember when free markets fall socialism and communist ideas tend to thrive . the poverty in Germany during the 20's and 30s gave rise to Nazi movement.
- nickert0n, on 05/12/2008, -5/+3Too all that are like well Russia lost the most in WWII fighting the NAZI's and these guys hail hitler thats ***** up I agree with you.
You dont need to hail hitler to become a facist and or soclialist state infact racism and genocide has been around long before Germany was a twinlke in europe's eye.
This is as some people already pointed out one documenteray on an un defined % of the Russian population. I garuntee there is the:
Russian Gay Movement
Russian Black Panthers
Russian Animal Boinkers Assosiation
Russian Communist Party
Russian Salad Dressing Fanatics Orginzation
And so forth, just sayin. - Neph, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Wow, there's a lot wrong with that comment.
First, you're more or less equating socialism and communism with fascism and nazism. As the video points out, the communist Soviet Union suffered the greatest death toll of all in WWII, so it's hardly fair to conflate the two ideologies.
Second, do you realize that the extreme class gap and poverty that are fuelling the neonazi movement in Russia stem from the collapse of the Soviet Union and the *adoption* of free markets? I'm not trying to promote communism as such, but you seem to be under the impression that free markets and capitalism are a bulwark against fascism, and that's a very false sense of confidence.
- nickert0n, on 05/12/2008, -5/+3Too all that are like well Russia lost the most in WWII fighting the NAZI's and these guys hail hitler thats ***** up I agree with you.
- Ijustcrashed, on 05/12/2008, -1/+10this group and russia are not the same thing, believe it or not
- seafish69, on 05/12/2008, -3/+2Believe it or not, the general population in Russia provides a breeding ground for movements like this. Poor, deprived, uneducated, betrayed people. A corrupt central government saturated by crooks and former KGB agents. A population that has drinking problems such serious that if not resolved now, will be reduced to a measly 80 million by 2040. A country where there is only one line of media - the one that is blessed and approved by the Kremlin. The people that are brain-washed and, ironically enough, think they are still a great nation. Shame.
- TechnoViking82, on 05/12/2008, -2/+3According to my ex who grew up there in the 80's, antisemitism ran deep. The logic of many citizens was this: if it weren't for the Jews, none of their fine young men would have been killed in that horrible war. I hear this type of sentiment hasn't really disappeared hence the turning of cheek to such violence.
- BabyWookie, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4Wow. I grew up there in the 80's. I sure never heard this "if it weren't for the Jews" *****.
- mombassa, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4From a Toronto Sun article by Eric Margolis,
"Kaganovitch, and many senior OGPU officers( later, NKVD) were Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic, and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts, and Poles."
Complete article at
http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/1998/12/remem ...
- christianw, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2these silly nazi groups in russia need to understand that in their warped little perfect world the BEST case scenario they could hope for is a full take over of russia. which would have a nazi organization at its core that would inevitably bring to bear on them the full force of america's military. Since russia basically sold ANYTHING they had that could protect them to the highest bidder, the BEST case they can hope for is the extinction of the russian itself.
and that is something that the russian people will never stand for. these nazi's should just commit suicide. - Russian1, on 05/12/2008, -6/+6Say that Russia is ***** up to a Russian and see what happens to you, dumb *****.
- SteelChicken, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2And yet Americans have the reputation for a propensity to violence and unwillingness to have a dialogue.
- unclebuck, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5Relax Ivan. Here, have another swallow of Vodka.
- Black6x, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1I think the humor in that statement is that, in the immigrants' cases, you can go to Russia and not say that, and bad things will still happen.
- Gauthic, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1Youth never believes that events in history can happen to them until they experience it for themselves.
- exronin, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Irony.
- Oddish, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2Russians != russian neo nazis.
- spuncoke, on 05/12/2008, -11/+15Ross Kemp did a better job
- sonycam, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2"and with the help of the British army, I made it out alive."
- jatingirdhar, on 05/12/2008, -14/+2MARVELLOUS ...................
- bumcheekcity, on 05/12/2008, -23/+21When they're in the club playing the loud music, just lock all the doors, and burn it down. Repeat as required.
- Morgonslak, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7Killing violent fascists using violent fascist methods?
You my friend, just summed up the nazi-Germany - Soviet WW2 war front. - unclebuck, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5When they're in the showers, just lock all the doors, and turn on the gas. Repeat as required.
You're as bad as them. - Bronnster, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3What the Hell is wrong with you?!
- Bronnster, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Killing people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong never made sense and is a poor deterrent to violent crimes. That is why evil people choose suicide over capture. Retribution for violent crimes can't be collected from dead men. Think about it.
- killbotX, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz1sBi0-130
- Morgonslak, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7Killing violent fascists using violent fascist methods?
- 2bsbc, on 05/12/2008, -3/+247"History may not repeat itself, but it does rhyme a lot."
Mark Twain- johnomaz, on 05/12/2008, -1/+27Well put Mark Twain.
- Ystig, on 05/13/2008, -1/+1"Sayings which could be from anywhere, but seem like they really ought to be from somewhere, at some point tend to get attributed to Mark Twain" - Mark Twain
"Save for political witticisms, which tend to get attributed to me" - Churchill
- vondur, on 05/12/2008, -5/+140Ironic, since the Nazi's were trying to wipe out the Russians in WW2.
- rex84, on 05/12/2008, -12/+37It's also ironic how the Israelis treat the Palestinians.
- kevlarbaboon, on 05/12/2008, -7/+11Not really. The Russians were still huge racists during WWII as well.
- BabyWookie, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6This can be said about the Americans during WW2, as well. "The Japs" were just barely considered to be human, for example.
- blackjack75, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Not to mention that segregation was fully applied during WWII. The recent documentary "The War", by Ken Burns, has some startling testimonies from black soldiers...
Those were other times (I hope).
- xeno439, on 05/12/2008, -2/+6What's ironic is this comment getting more diggs than previous comments that state the same thing. Also, the same thing was mentioned in the video.
- vondur, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3You are assuming I watched the entire video. My ADD does not allow for that.
- Black6x, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1You also assume that I read all of the comments and my ADD Baseball is on!
- an0nymous, on 05/12/2008, -4/+159Interviewer is fortunate he returned from those woods.
He was playing a dangerous game.- DomZy, on 05/12/2008, -0/+11I was thinking the same thing
- campigenus, on 05/12/2008, -2/+3That's because teh two of you don't understand how propaganda works. Hint, the reporter mentioned it in his closing statements.
- HenvY, on 05/12/2008, -3/+15He wasn't try to get a job in Russia, was he? He wasn't black, was he?
- an0nymous, on 05/12/2008, -1/+22No. But he was videotaping the criminal enterprise of a bunch of people who have no compulsion against using violence or killing.
One of the subjects of his interview was imprisoned shortly afterwards. Now that this podcast is out, it certainly possible that others might be as well as a direct result of his actions.
If they had decided that he represented a threat of some kind, or was himself a minority. Well he was in a secret location in the woods, wasn't he?
He might very well have become "training" himself.
- an0nymous, on 05/12/2008, -1/+22No. But he was videotaping the criminal enterprise of a bunch of people who have no compulsion against using violence or killing.
- dumpyhumpy, on 05/12/2008, -5/+24They're an admitted terrorist organization. Where were our air-raids and bunker-busters. OOOOHHH RIIIIGHT Bushie looked into Vladdy's eyes and saw his good soul. I forgot.
- Nosferaxx, on 05/12/2008, -2/+15Yep, he's very brave to try bringing this information to the world, especially if you consider that a total of 47 journalists have been killed in Russia since 1992, with the vast majority of killings unsolved. (wikipedia)
- sutherbj, on 05/13/2008, -0/+5That has got to be the greatest way to source your information ever.
- DomZy, on 05/12/2008, -0/+11I was thinking the same thing
- ErikHarrison, on 05/12/2008, -9/+5It doesn't suprise me, the world is going to hell in a handbasket. Hopefully we don't go to war with them too...
- monjorob, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2no it isn't. quality of life is rising almost everywhere in the world, you have less of a chance of being killed by another than any other time in history. we have our problems. every generation does.
- DemDude, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1War on Nazi Terrorists like those assholes would be a war I'd support. But that would be a just cause, so america wouldn't even consider it. Let's all hope that changes come the elections.
- elamr, on 05/12/2008, -8/+54Racism is like disease that can ***** up a whole country.
- Kaitsu, on 05/12/2008, -36/+15(Illegal) immigrants are like disease that can ***** up a whole country.
- bicyclethief, on 05/12/2008, -7/+21I don't know why you bother putting Illegal in there. If you're gonna be xenophobic, don't cowardly hide behind the law.
- alex7575, on 05/12/2008, -4/+13Because the biggest threat to this country is illegal immigration...
- bicyclethief, on 05/12/2008, -8/+5With the economy the way it is and our troubled foreign policy, you really think illegal immigration is the biggest threat to this country? Really?!
Sorry, illegal immigration has consequences and implications in this country but is not a "threat" whatsoever, much less the biggest one. - elamr, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4illegal immigration is a symptom of a MUCH bigger problem. I think illegal immigration, foreign policy and the economy could be dealt with by our representatives, but they seem to only follow the will of their larger donors, corporations. Corporatism.
- ConfuciusOne, on 05/13/2008, -0/+3@bicyclethief
Sarcasm...ya heard of it?
- bicyclethief, on 05/12/2008, -8/+5With the economy the way it is and our troubled foreign policy, you really think illegal immigration is the biggest threat to this country? Really?!
- powatom, on 05/12/2008, -2/+7More like employers who are willing to use immigrant labour for a lower wage are a disease that can ***** up a whole country.
The solution to problems caused by / related to illegal immigration is to fix the system so that there is no incentive for employers to hire someone based on their ethnicity. If you still can't get a job once such a system is in place, then it should be fairly obvious that the problem is you, not Pablo.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. - elamr, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6I think a coutry can protect its sovereignty without neo-Nazism. Its modernized tribalism that does NOT work. If Germany had come together WITHOUT its oppsession with "racial purity" they would have had all the best scientist and probably could have developed nuclear weapons, developed a relationship with Russia, Japan & Eastern block countries and took over Europe & and Asia and have a stale mate with America. Racism is the cancer that didn't allow that to happen. Because they saw all other beings as inferior, so they exterminated and/or excommunicated there best minds (ie Einstein), the betrayed Russia and broke the eastern european coutries. They had the greatest minds but they're political will was cancerous. epic fail
- noonjab, on 05/12/2008, -1/+21"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
- Albert Einstein
- Kaitsu, on 05/12/2008, -36/+15(Illegal) immigrants are like disease that can ***** up a whole country.
- teh_techie, on 05/12/2008, -13/+45In soviet Russia......
Nope, can't finish the joke... it's just THAT ***** up!- Asianwaste, on 05/12/2008, -1/+28In Soviet Russia the joke finishes YOU!!!!
- Kaitsu, on 05/12/2008, -2/+9...Immigrant hits YOUR boot?
- Scira, on 05/12/2008, -4/+8The only reason i checked this story was for a good soviet Russia joke.
- dicknuts, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3There is no such thing.
- sat0shi, on 05/12/2008, -10/+126Immigrants face hatred in every country of the world, even in the nation built on immigration, America.
- grobinson, on 05/12/2008, -5/+17"They took our Jobs!"
- Fullvinyl, on 05/12/2008, -8/+3Dur-durk-ur-duuuuurrrrrrrr!!!
- blackjack75, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Damn, who's gonna build our iPhones?
- ghuytro, on 05/12/2008, -10/+19Not so much in the other nation built on immigration, Canada. There some latent xenophobia and resentment of immigrants but we certainly don't go around clobbering immigrants in the streets like in Russia.
But I do have to admit I couldn't stop staring at the Muslim woman in the bee-keeper's suit at the Sobey's grocery store yesterday. Hopefully her female children will be free of that religious/cultural artifact when they grow up here.- sat0shi, on 05/12/2008, -9/+18Or you could respect their culture and what they believe in for what it is. Whether you think it is oppressive or not, it is their culture, not yours.
- coolred, on 05/12/2008, -0/+14Not all cultures have to be respected.
Slavery and sacrifices used to be part of some cultures, or sending kids up chimneys..
When you actually think about it, women wrapping themselves up in a sheet in a modern western country is pretty ***** up.
Whether it is to please some imaginary god, their bigot husband or to demonstate their refusal to integrate - or all three. - ghuytro, on 05/12/2008, -2/+16A young girl was murdered in Mississauga (Toronto suburb) this past winter by her father because she refused to wear the hijab:
http://digg.com/world_news/Father_killed_daughter_ ...
Should we respect that as well? I mean, it is their culture, not our own. - Joeyrev, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5Obviously there will always be the religious fanatics like ghuytro pointed out. However, I know many Muslims in America who are given the freedom to dress as they like, yet still choose to wear the burka. It may be some left over programming from their religion, but if they are making the choice on their own, who are we to say they can't?
- acetv, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4Joeyrey, you're right. A very important distinction must be made. Speaking only for myself, I will never, ever say they can't. However, I don't have to respect it, and I am free to ridicule it all I want.
- coolred, on 05/12/2008, -0/+14Not all cultures have to be respected.
- karaokekidd, on 05/12/2008, -0/+11Is there not a double standard though? If a Canadian born white man told his wife to cover up like that, he would be the subject of a witch hunt by the neighbors! Multiculturalism only works when you can opt out and opt in to whichever cultural practices you want, and not be forced to stick with the typical ways of your same race neighbors.
- xadious, on 05/12/2008, -8/+3Canada may not have a rise in neo-nazi attacks, but there are a lot of dumb people there who pride themselves on thinking they're better than Americans only to spurt out incredibly stupid nonsense as is the case in your post.
- hillkiwi, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4ghuytro was simply sharing the perspective from his region, there was no "better than Americans ... incredibly stupid nonsense " in his comment. If you're unable to keep up with the conversation you should really just keep quiet.
- soupdawg30, on 05/13/2008, -1/+4Most of Americas violence from Racism is done by the immigrant gangs ....
- sat0shi, on 05/12/2008, -9/+18Or you could respect their culture and what they believe in for what it is. Whether you think it is oppressive or not, it is their culture, not yours.
- Defuser, on 05/12/2008, -14/+9Hey *****, get back to me when Americans are circulating videos of themselves decapitating immigrants. While there are certainly idiots in every country of the world, (you're a good example) the fact remains that most Americans don't "hate" immigrants. What we dislike is foreign citizens breaking our laws.
- sat0shi, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3I know you're trolling, but I'll reply to you anyway. I never said you were decapitating immigrants in America, nor did I ever try to equate what was happening in this video to the situation in America. What I did say, however, and what I was implying is that instead of looking at Russia we should be looking at how we treat immigrants in our own countries. Americans may not all hate foreigners, but why is it than my American born Chinese friend has to deal with groups of kids, white AND black, yelling "ching ching chong" at him when he goes to the mall? Why are blacks, who aren't even immigrants, constantly looked down on by whites, and why do blacks do the same thing in retaliation? What is the reason for all this hatred?
I am an immigrant to Japan myself, and I face discrimination and hatred every single day. Some apartment listings here have a little icon for "Foreigners Allowed" beside the icon for "Pets Allowed". And get this, more apartments probably allow pets than they do foreigners. But this isn't a rant about Japan, America, or any country in particular. I want to know why we has human beings fail to have the capacity to treat other human beings as our equal, simply because they look slightly different.
- sat0shi, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3I know you're trolling, but I'll reply to you anyway. I never said you were decapitating immigrants in America, nor did I ever try to equate what was happening in this video to the situation in America. What I did say, however, and what I was implying is that instead of looking at Russia we should be looking at how we treat immigrants in our own countries. Americans may not all hate foreigners, but why is it than my American born Chinese friend has to deal with groups of kids, white AND black, yelling "ching ching chong" at him when he goes to the mall? Why are blacks, who aren't even immigrants, constantly looked down on by whites, and why do blacks do the same thing in retaliation? What is the reason for all this hatred?
- xeno439, on 05/12/2008, -2/+9Canadians are more racist toward the people that were there first than those nonwhites that came later.
- doublebummer, on 05/12/2008, -3/+4You're right. Let's stop all of the hate talk so that immigrants can continue to slip across the border and be exploited by big business. If all of this hate talk continues then they'll have to come to this country legally and they'll have most of the same rights as US citizens.
- exronin, on 05/12/2008, -3/+5Noone really steals your job, you lose it due to your own incompetence, but having to compete when you could have everything handed to you doesn't make people happy.
- geoboy, on 05/13/2008, -1/+5*****. Competent people can surely lose their jobs, especially when they become too expensive to keep around that it's deemed good business sense to offshore their work.
- exronin, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1lol then you weren't competent enough. Welcome to capitalism, this ain't communist Russia.
- geoboy, on 05/13/2008, -1/+5*****. Competent people can surely lose their jobs, especially when they become too expensive to keep around that it's deemed good business sense to offshore their work.
- grobinson, on 05/12/2008, -5/+17"They took our Jobs!"
- warchant, on 05/12/2008, -17/+17eh, Russia was still 10x worse than Germany in WW2 when it came to discrimination. This just shows that somethings don't die with age.
- Testies, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2WHaaaaa!????
- BabyWookie, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6Wow. Now, that's just pure ludicrous libel. Hell, "the founding fathers of the USSR", the core group of Bolsheviks, were a very multi-ethnic bunch, composed of Russians, Jews, Poles, Ukrainians, Georgians, etc. The USSR was ruled by Josef Stalin, an ethnic Georgian, who spoke Russian with a very thick accent. The Cheka (future NKVD and KGB) was founded by a Polish Jew named Felix Dzierzhinsky. Several of the prominent Soviet WW2 generals were Jewish, for *****'s sake! Stalin did murder millions of people, but it sure as hell was not based on race and ethnicity. So, please STFU with this crap.
- 911ArtStudent, on 05/12/2008, -3/+4Check out the genocide waged on the Ukraine
- volando, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4You're clearly uneducated or have been taken in by ukrainian nazi propaganda. There was no genocide in ukraine. None at all! There was forced collectivization in lands where family farming was the way of life, this included some of Ukraine, Kazakhstan and southern Russia. There were no racial undertones to this, only class based ones (look at statistics for cities vs villages at that time), and most violence occurred at the hands of the local enforcers who were almost always the same nationality as the victims.
- 911ArtStudent, on 05/12/2008, -3/+4Check out the genocide waged on the Ukraine
- Testies, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2WHaaaaa!????
- Aidenf77, on 05/12/2008, -3/+12Great, more imbeciles clamoring for attention by resorting to extremes.
- galvo, on 05/12/2008, -17/+4The Russians suck at hockey. Example: Alexander Ovechkin.
- Signa91, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3nobody really gives a *****.
- Russian1, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1***** retard, if I ever saw I'd beat the ***** out you.
- galvo, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2No, you wouldn't. You'd show your muscles, I'd show you my gun, and it would be the Cold War all over again.
Or the 1980 Winter Olympics all over again. In case you don't remember, Russia lost both.- Russian1, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1Pussy with a gun? You'd show me your gun, and I'd show 100 mother ***** with AK's. Dumbass Soviet Union was number one for the longest time ever, just cause won twice, look at how many times Soviets won gold. Why the ***** are the best players are either Russian or Canadian. Malkin, Ovechkin, Crosby, etc. Whats the best american hockey player? Mike Modano. Your a natural dumb *****.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_hockey_at_the_Oly ...- galvo, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2Don't make me point out all of your grammatical errors. Which makes you, yes you, the dumb *****.
Of course I know the Russians produce some of the finest ice hockey players. It's called sarcasm.
By the way, the image of 100 Russians running at me with AKs is quite entertaining. I like AKs.
- galvo, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2Don't make me point out all of your grammatical errors. Which makes you, yes you, the dumb *****.
- Russian1, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1Pussy with a gun? You'd show me your gun, and I'd show 100 mother ***** with AK's. Dumbass Soviet Union was number one for the longest time ever, just cause won twice, look at how many times Soviets won gold. Why the ***** are the best players are either Russian or Canadian. Malkin, Ovechkin, Crosby, etc. Whats the best american hockey player? Mike Modano. Your a natural dumb *****.
- galvo, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2No, you wouldn't. You'd show your muscles, I'd show you my gun, and it would be the Cold War all over again.
- Mr8lack, on 05/12/2008, -6/+16That's disgusting those people need to be shot. Its like they said: "they can't find a reason for their problems so they blame the immigrants".
- noonjab, on 05/12/2008, -1/+16"That's disgusting those people need to be *educated*."
There, I fixed it for you.- Mr8lack, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5ignorant people don't want to be educated.
- noonjab, on 05/12/2008, -1/+8I'm guessing they wouldn't want to be shot either.
- Mr8lack, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1so would you have tried to educate Hitler too?
- noonjab, on 05/12/2008, -1/+8I'm guessing they wouldn't want to be shot either.
- BabyWookie, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3True. One of the major issues facing Russia and many other ex Soviet countries, is the fall of education standards since the collapse of the USSR.
- Mr8lack, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5ignorant people don't want to be educated.
- oderdigg, on 05/12/2008, -1/+9Brilliant! Use violence against violence. It's working so well for the US.. Keep it up you dolt.
- aliengoods, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7Violence against violence can work, but only if it's funny. Take all the neo-nazis from Russia and pit them against all of the racists from the US in a deathmatch! The catch: their only weapons will be rubber duckies and nerf bats.
- noonjab, on 05/12/2008, -1/+16"That's disgusting those people need to be *educated*."
- an0nymous, on 05/12/2008, -17/+1115:29 - Russian Skinheads use Macs?
Huh.- slahser, on 05/12/2008, -0/+11Did you watch this video without sound? "*some russian name* gave me a DVD to play on _MY_ laptop". As in the reporters laptop. So to answer your question; no.
- an0nymous, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1yup, you're right.. attention was diverted.
- Soupasam, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3That was the reporter's laptop...
- ninsei, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1it was the reporter's ...
- Frost9999, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2Why do people care what computers these guys would be using anyway?
"Russian skinhead use macs/blackberry/dell/samsung/sony/palm/nokia" but they will still be russian skinheads.- eugmir, on 05/13/2008, -0/+0I personally enjoyed the large "Nike Swoosh" on the back of one the people participating in the beating. I wonder, what kind of reaction would it receive from Nike execs, especially since Nike spends fortunes for positive product placement - but i guess you cant stop idiots from buying your clothes and making you look bad.
- slahser, on 05/12/2008, -0/+11Did you watch this video without sound? "*some russian name* gave me a DVD to play on _MY_ laptop". As in the reporters laptop. So to answer your question; no.
- freezerburn666, on 05/12/2008, -15/+7i would have loved to drop a bomb on those pieces of ***** in the forest, or maybe just flame throw them all and watch them burn alive in agony :) atleast it wouldn't smell like burning hair...
- gwhardyiv, on 05/12/2008, -1/+21Well...at least you aren't willing to stoop to their level.
- bumcheekcity, on 05/12/2008, -4/+2Yes, because those guys look like they're going to listen to reasoned argument.
- Russian1, on 05/12/2008, -5/+0***** dumbass, you wouldn't even touch a Russian before you got killed. Piece of ***** with a 666 user name, if I ever saw you I'd kill you myself
- bigfatdummy, on 05/12/2008, -2/+16Wow, that was disturbing
- hitkaiser, on 05/12/2008, -6/+48Well it worked - makes me out want to visit anymore, I'll take my tourism money elsewhere.
- oderdigg, on 05/12/2008, -1/+12That's what you call blowback. In wanting to keep immigrants from moving there, they will in effect stop people from visiting Russia. Too bad for the tourist industry.
- Ctibko, on 05/13/2008, -1/+0If you are white everything should be ok. If not ....good luck
- Zombi, on 05/12/2008, -3/+47I'm a bit worried that Russia could be a haven for a huge movement. The reporter pointed out that Russia harbors a good portion of the Neo-Nazi movement. It was also stated that the government is doing pretty much nothing to stop them. They want to seize power and they even have a leader picked out. Is it possible?
- pennvneff, on 05/12/2008, -13/+19Russia? Take a look at the Republican party.
- TokenWhiteGuy, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7That is a little extreme. Yes the Repub party is FUBAR but there are a few high powered Dems who used to be in the KKK.
- ZeRux, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5Yup, especially Ron Paul is a real Neo-Nazi
/sarcasm
- dondara, on 05/12/2008, -1/+8Well, if their economy doesn't improve then the breeding ground for these idiots just grows. Desperation is the biggest motivator for this kind of behavior. I really hope the Russian militia gets into the fray. Because when the skinheads are done with the immigrants, they will target another group and so on.
Nobody ever really seems to learn from history.- jamdogg, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3If they were ever victorious, they would eventually consume themselves. The guy making nazi snuff videos isn't going to suddenly get into flower arranging once the immigrants are all gone.
- BabyWookie, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3The problem with that argument is, their economy is booming right now. It grew by about 7.5% each year since 2000. In the past fewyears, the salaries have doubled. The poverty rates are way down, the middle class is up, etc, etc.
- abadonn, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6They run in every election. They pull in probably 1-2% of the vote. But they will never win with mobsters like Putin in control, it would be bad for business.
- seafish69, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2I've traveled a fair bit to Russia back in the years. In fact, I live in a neighbor country where half of the population are Russians. I speak Russian and I know their history and culture (which are great, no doubt about it). The problem with today's Russia is that movements like the one depicted in the podcast are SUPPORTED by the Government, hence they're not going anywhere any time soon. Putin and the company cannot say "You bloody immigrants go back where you came from" because you don't do this stuff in the public (i.e. so-called "civilized world"). But the fact is, he wants them out (if you look at the recent migration legislation - for instance, a law that strips the foreigners of their right to trade goods in Russia - you will understand). If you can't kick somebody out officially and publicly, you do it unofficially, including by promoting restrictive legislation and - in a more extreme scenario - by supporting organizations such as those Nazis.
- tgunner, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Putin would say "Leave Dimitri to me"
- TehRussians, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2Yess. If this guy begins to resemble a serious threat to the Putin regime he might accidentally stab himself and throw himself off a bridge.
- JGib, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1I hope Putin takes revenge, his cousin is way better then his no sex girlfriend
- TehRussians, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2Yess. If this guy begins to resemble a serious threat to the Putin regime he might accidentally stab himself and throw himself off a bridge.
- pennvneff, on 05/12/2008, -13/+19Russia? Take a look at the Republican party.
- cdubd, on 05/12/2008, -10/+14I think it is official: I will probably wont stop into Russia any time soon.
- Ctibko, on 05/13/2008, -0/+0pussy
- KlogereEndGrim, on 05/12/2008, -17/+29Lol these fags would be the first Hitler would kill if he came back, they have no clue what they are on about.
And whats the pride in being 10 vs. 1? that's like admitting that the foreigners are supermen and yourselves weak little pissants.- dumpyhumpy, on 05/12/2008, -3/+22"fags"... nice. Damn those prejudiced bigots...
- blackjack75, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Sad thing is that most youngsters have no idea it's an insult aimed at a minority. One day 'fag' will be the new 'negro'. It'll be our second 'f' word.
- davidg11, on 05/12/2008, -4/+8The problem with this is from what I can tell is that these immigrants are there legally. If they want legal immigrants out they don't need to create a neo-nazi group to remove them. Just change the law.
- Orion682, on 05/12/2008, -0/+9Yes, how DARE those immigrants legally enter Russia with the government's blessing? Those bastards!
Seriously, it's not the immigrant's fault that they're getting mobbed by 10 skin-heads when they've done nothing wrong. And succumbing to the demands of such extremist groups is just a sign of weakness that they WILL exploit.
- Orion682, on 05/12/2008, -0/+9Yes, how DARE those immigrants legally enter Russia with the government's blessing? Those bastards!
- IAMMIGHTY, on 05/12/2008, -13/+9It is kinda odd to realize that WWIII probably will be the US vs. the Russians. But not the Soviet Union, but Putins power mad dictatorship. THe key factor will be who China sides with.
- HenvY, on 05/12/2008, -3/+5And the answer is the US. On the face of it China and Russia might have good relations, but if the war started tommorow, can you give me one good reason why China would side with Russia? Not to mention, it would truly would be a world war...the whole world against Russia. Ukraine? Fighting for the US. Georgia? Fighting for the US. Poland? Fighting for the US. Japan? Fighting for the US. Russia doesn't have an ally left in the world.
- Orion682, on 05/12/2008, -4/+6Neither do we. It'd be a "lesser of two evils" situation for the most part...
- dondara, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3Well, your enemy's enemy is your ally. China can make way more money with the US than they ever can with Russia so their choice is simple. If China thought they could sit it out, they might but that would not be possible.
Another people screwed over by those in power. The endless cycle continues. - HenvY, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2Have you ever heard of NATO? Or G7? Money = friends...at least in international relations.
- Orion682, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1Having a treaty with someone doesn't necessarily mean they'll go to war with you...
- dondara, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3Well, your enemy's enemy is your ally. China can make way more money with the US than they ever can with Russia so their choice is simple. If China thought they could sit it out, they might but that would not be possible.
- Orion682, on 05/12/2008, -4/+6Neither do we. It'd be a "lesser of two evils" situation for the most part...
- statstudent, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1the key factor is whether we all go up in a mushroom cloud, not who china sides with. if defeat was knocking on the russians' door, you think they'd answer or just start tossing nukes out the window?
that said, i don't think WWIII is at all likely.
- HenvY, on 05/12/2008, -3/+5And the answer is the US. On the face of it China and Russia might have good relations, but if the war started tommorow, can you give me one good reason why China would side with Russia? Not to mention, it would truly would be a world war...the whole world against Russia. Ukraine? Fighting for the US. Georgia? Fighting for the US. Poland? Fighting for the US. Japan? Fighting for the US. Russia doesn't have an ally left in the world.
- Eskapismus, on 05/12/2008, -6/+22Well that's what you get if you leave your population without education and when you lie about your own history. Most of these guy live probably in houses without water. They know they are just scum but they would never blame themselves for it.
- volando, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2You're clearly misguided on how the rest of the world lives. Without water? Without education? Lol, why don't you visit Russia first, perhaps you can drink vodka with the bears walking the streets in July snow while playing balalaikas...
- thestranger, on 05/12/2008, -4/+52I am only about 5 minutes in, but I am shocked at how reasonable the neo-nazis are. I mean when they are just speaking, not their actions, nor am I condoning the beliefs or actions. Its just just strange cause both sides seem to understand the real problem, but they the nazis arrive at a completely off solution. The nazis are like, "yea its the government and the business owners fault that we don't have jobs.....buuuut we are going to beat the hell outta these immigrants". Its sad. Imagine, if these young men would harness their energy towards the government or something positive.
- markder, on 05/12/2008, -0/+12This is a good point but it wouldn't be reasonable for cowards to attack entities with power. Instead, they attack helpless immigrants because they're an easy scapegoat.
- eggraid, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1russian govt... something positive? I think they really have no hope in govt!
- modularsky, on 05/12/2008, -10/+37of course, what this video will not tell you is that the unfettered free-market capitalism that was introduced into Russia after the USSR's collapse is responsible for much of the economic woes the Russian poor are feeling. The reason being that all of the oilfields, natural gas caches and other natural resources were privatized and sold at incredibly low prices. That's what has given rise to this ***** Oligarchy which is less Russian than international. Their xenophobia is justified; they would simply do better to be the ***** out of the billionaires that walk their streets instead of the poor immigrants who more or less share their plight.
- thestranger, on 05/12/2008, -4/+1..and not try and work within the system, and try and cozy up to people that are the reason for their plight, and attack the people that suffer as much as they do.
- nickcommie, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3***** WELL SAID modularsky! it's as if they have never learned anything about what their grandfathers were fighting for!
- Herostratos, on 05/12/2008, -2/+3You are talking through your arse now. Russia wasn't unfettered free-market capitalism then, isn't now. It is ranked 134 out of 157 on the index of economic freedom. And as you mentioned yourself, the *government* sold the resources to its friends... Is that capitalism? No, thats oligarchism.
Also, your suggestion that they shall start beating up rich people now... Well... Communism has already been proven to be full of phail in Russia, and you people want to try it *all over again*? Puh-leaze.
Link: http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/co ... - NinjaDolemite, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2capitalism isn't to blame.
- MiddleOfNowhere, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1I agree with your analysis of the situation (although I think there are not only economic reasons), but I don't understand why "Their xenophobia is justified". From all I know, Russia’s riches have not been sold to foreign powers/consortiums, but to a new Russian elite of Putin lapdogs who now sit on the wealth of the country. Just like communism, capitalism was not invented in Russia; they just seem to favor a very consequent (read: brutal) flavor of it. So a lot of the economic desperation is home-made. Stability was more important than anything to Putin, and he knows better than any other politician that his country has no experience with Western-style democracy. So he played it safe and established a new aristocracy.
- freezerburn666, on 05/12/2008, -14/+8i say we goto russia and start ***** and beheading some neo-nazi trash :D
- KlogereEndGrim, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2Yeah, that will def. help, we should also ***** their burning pets and have scatfests with their mothers corpses.
Or maybe we should just have some law enforcement ***** them over, and all agree that they suck ass.- freezerburn666, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3well, in a perfect world sure, law enforcement would do that. but form that video, the law enforcement was protecting their gathering, and aren't doing ***** all about the street attacks. needless to say, you wont be able to count on the law or corrupt government.
- WeThePeople2012, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2You do realize that your suggesting that we start World War 3, right?
- yosserhughes, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2By 'we', you mean anyone else but you, right?
- burketo, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4Save yourself a plane ticket...there are plenty of american skinheads you can boot-***** and behead if you're that hard.... no?
- KlogereEndGrim, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2Yeah, that will def. help, we should also ***** their burning pets and have scatfests with their mothers corpses.
- petrograd, on 05/12/2008, -11/+19This is why I'm in the US now.
- Ghost2110, on 05/12/2008, -23/+6We don't want you either.
- Barakolypse, on 05/12/2008, -4/+18In capitalist America, immigrants kill you!
- jakeh111, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3classy
- blackjack75, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Gotta admit he found the right context for that one (and that was funny). It would have gotten like -500 diggs on an unrelated subject.
- BabyWookie, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5LOL. If you think that we don't have neo-nazis here, then you are deluded. I went to a local gun show a few weeks ago. There were several assholes selling neo-nazi literature and music, with Ron Paul posters hanging above them. I know of towns that still have Hitler's birthday parades each year, etc.
- CaseyButt, on 05/12/2008, -23/+9These stupid russians have no idea what it's like to live in a country full of imigrants. America has 10x the immigrants Russia has and most of us have no problem with it. Russians really are the dumbest mother ***** i have ever met, i have worked a few jobs that had a lot of Russians there and they are as dumb as a box of rocks. they are a bunch of ***** hipocrits, think of how many Russians have immigrated to America and taken over American jobs. And they show support to a dead nazi leader who killed a ton of their people, ***** idiots!!
- mattletron, on 05/12/2008, -1/+8You do realize how racist your comment is right? I obviously am very upset by the actions of the Russians in this video, but to apply that judgement to all Russians I think is a mistake.
- CaseyButt, on 05/12/2008, -3/+2we will talk more about this after i get back from my Klan meeting
- sat0shi, on 05/12/2008, -1/+11I love how you talk about how they are dumb as ***** for hating immigrants... then you talk about Russian immigrants in America as "the dumbest ***** I have ever met". Yes, because we all know that ALL Russian immigrants in America are "dumb as a box of rocks." Talk about hypocrisy... sheesh.
- CaseyButt, on 05/12/2008, -5/+0it's not my fault you love sexing up russian dudes, your sexual preference is none of my business.
- Envark, on 05/12/2008, -0/+13Irony. You has it.
- BabyWookie, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2You are one stupid ***** redneck, Russia is the second most-immigrated to country in the world right now. Also, there are not that many ethinic Russians in the US. It's mostly Russian and Ukrainian Jews.
- Russian1, on 05/12/2008, -4/+0You mother *****, have you tried talking ***** to a Russians face, I bet you haven't cause you a little pussy, and can only say this on forums. ***** dumbass. Farmington,MI I'd be sure to stop by and find your ass if I get a chance.
- mattletron, on 05/12/2008, -1/+8You do realize how racist your comment is right? I obviously am very upset by the actions of the Russians in this video, but to apply that judgement to all Russians I think is a mistake.
- Eskapismus, on 05/12/2008, -6/+25after the exercises they probably touch each other in their tents.
- TokenWhiteGuy, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3Just like the Hitler youth camping trips.
- Logicexe, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6It takes a special kind of hypocrisy to insult bigots by calling them "gay."
- hempydave, on 05/12/2008, -3/+1Well they ARE special ...just like everyone else.
- RobotLeAwesome, on 05/12/2008, -3/+8Uhh, if these guys love Hitler so much shouldn't they just kill themselves? Hitler did invade Russia at one point.
- thestranger, on 05/12/2008, -6/+6Man, I think these guys got nationalism/fascism completely mixed up for socialism.
- RecyleBin, on 05/12/2008, -8/+11NAZI == national socialist German workers party
- WeThePeople2012, on 05/12/2008, -4/+10yes, but they weren't really socialist.
- jayjay80, on 05/12/2008, -7/+2Socialism = government/community control over individual. So, they were.
- RecyleBin, on 05/12/2008, -2/+4We are socialist, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions. (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by J. Toland in Adolph Hitler, Garden City, N. Y. : Doubleday.)
- hitkaiser, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4"Socialism" was a popular-vote winner so every other obscure party that wanted a shot at gaining power had to appeal to the socialist "labourers"
- Morgonslak, on 05/12/2008, -0/+0hitkaiser's comment is the exact reason the nazi called themselves "socialist".
They started out as populists you know.. - nickcommie, on 05/12/2008, -2/+6Anyone who thinks the Nazi's were socialists is a ***** moron. Read some Marx. Socialism is an idea based on internationalism. The nazi's were nationalists, huge difference. They killed communists and socialists.
- jayjay80, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1I call BS. You've apparently read too much Marx and not enough dictionaries. Sociallism as opposed to capitalism, and nationalism as opposed to, well, globalization.
I know some (wise men) consider Socialism and nationalism as somewhat opposites, but that debate is too long and too demanding for my wits.
- jayjay80, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1I call BS. You've apparently read too much Marx and not enough dictionaries. Sociallism as opposed to capitalism, and nationalism as opposed to, well, globalization.
- D4CH, on 05/12/2008, -2/+4Why digg him down? He speaks the truth
- mcturdTheThird, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2Yeah, a lot of sick ***** takes place and is called something far different than what it is. Like how we call the U.S. economy a "free market" but is actually state funded capitalism like what Soviet Russia had.
- RecyleBin, on 05/12/2008, -1/+0No way, get a clue, go google the nazi platorm, if thats not good enough, go google the neo-nazi platorm. Then take out all the "hate" stuff, and it reads like something Al Gore would say, "working wages", health care, environmentalism, etc. Or just bury your head in the sand.
- BabyWookie, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Using that logic, North Korea (DPRK) and East Germany (GDR) were democracies. I mean, they have "Democratic" in their country's names, right?
- WeThePeople2012, on 05/12/2008, -4/+10yes, but they weren't really socialist.
- RecyleBin, on 05/12/2008, -8/+11NAZI == national socialist German workers party
- bb112266, on 05/12/2008, -9/+2I can never understand hate. :(
- x1soundgarden1x, on 05/12/2008, -1/+18The Russian population is in steep decline. What you see here is a form of desperation and scape-goating. The government turns the other way to keep the citizens happy when these thugs gang up on individuals, But the government also knows these immigrants are the key to Russia's recovering economy and that if they adopted stricter immigration laws it would plunge Russia back into poverty.
Isn't it incredible how the same debate over globalization is occurring across the world right now? In America it's the Mexican immigration problem, in Europe it's the African/Arab immigration problem, and in Russia it's the Asian/Caucus immigration problem. I'm just glad in the US and Europe the governments aren't corrupt so people don't have to resort to violence.- mtgmaster, on 05/12/2008, -5/+6Notice how it's only white countries that are being invaded? Why must they force themselves upon us?
I admire most Asian countries for not putting up with their *****.- snoox, on 05/12/2008, -3/+6oh yea america was white before white people invaded it and everybody was cool with that
- akamurph, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2whaaaaaaaabulance! No one wanted to immigrate to America before it was white.
- snoox, on 05/16/2008, -0/+0how to you contort your body to blow smoke up your own ass like that?
- snoox, on 05/12/2008, -3/+6oh yea america was white before white people invaded it and everybody was cool with that
- MiddleOfNowhere, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1Well said, Sir. There's a lot of things I don't like in Europe, but at least racism and xenophobia on this level is not tolerated. E.g., a lot of people here in Germany whine about being unemployed (some of them in the third generation), but most of them would find it below their dignity to take the low-level jobs many immigrants have taken. There are anti-capitalist and racist comments here and there, but most of the xenophobic yokels living on welfare are at least dimply aware that the support they enjoy requires that at least some people work.
But yes, the middle class is shrinking, and on the edges, frustration grows. - Intamin, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2"I'm just glad in the US and Europe the governments aren't as corrupt so people don't have to resort to violence."
Fixed.
- mtgmaster, on 05/12/2008, -5/+6Notice how it's only white countries that are being invaded? Why must they force themselves upon us?
- Teck64, on 05/12/2008, -4/+10The question is, will the world let this happened again?
- powatom, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5The answer is: Yes, because the rest of the world is just as ***** up.
- Dejital, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5If you think a few high school dropouts calling themselves nazis and living in the woods can make WWII happen again, you are absolutely out of your mind.
- powatom, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2How did I say they would cause WWII to happen again?
I said that nobody is going to intervene because every other country has idiots like these and there's very little a foreign group could ever hope to do about it.
- powatom, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2How did I say they would cause WWII to happen again?
- Dejital, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5If you think a few high school dropouts calling themselves nazis and living in the woods can make WWII happen again, you are absolutely out of your mind.
- powatom, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5The answer is: Yes, because the rest of the world is just as ***** up.
- Soupasam, on 05/12/2008, -7/+1Just what I needed to help with revision... an interesting 20 minute video about some racist morons
- petebert, on 05/12/2008, -6/+30they should just build a giant fence to keep the immigrants out
- WeThePeople2012, on 05/12/2008, -10/+8Yeah and we should too before there ends up being a movement like that over here. Our economy is hurting really bad and illegal immigrants are stealing American jobs. How long do you think it will be before people in the southern states start supporting openly racist politicians? Can you imagine the race riots that would occur if Obama became president and some racist white organization assassinated him? Things can get really bad, really fast.
- rezist, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5I agree with your post except for the comment that "illegal immigrants are stealing American jobs." This is not the case. Capitalism has shipped our jobs overseas. Companies have every right in terms of Capitalism, to increase profit margins. Yet Americans who love Nike, and McDonalds complain about not having work. Immigrants do the jobs that Americans will not do and can't do. I've seen this first hand in many states.
- WeThePeople2012, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Yes and no. It is our fault to a degree. However a company that hires American citizens can not compete with a company that hires illegal immigrants. Your right about Americans shouldn't buy Nike's etc, but Nike's can be made for a lot cheaper because they use modern day slavery. Nike's competitors wouldn't be able to compete if they didn't use the same tactics.
- Dejital, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4There are already racist movements all over America today, what makes you think building a fence is going to help?
- petebert, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1have you not heard of the one being built in texas?
- rezist, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5I agree with your post except for the comment that "illegal immigrants are stealing American jobs." This is not the case. Capitalism has shipped our jobs overseas. Companies have every right in terms of Capitalism, to increase profit margins. Yet Americans who love Nike, and McDonalds complain about not having work. Immigrants do the jobs that Americans will not do and can't do. I've seen this first hand in many states.
- qtipju, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2Like the Iron Curtain ?
- sutherbj, on 05/13/2008, -1/+2I'm surprised it took just your simple comment here for me to realize the absolute absurdity of the idea.
- WeThePeople2012, on 05/12/2008, -10/+8Yeah and we should too before there ends up being a movement like that over here. Our economy is hurting really bad and illegal immigrants are stealing American jobs. How long do you think it will be before people in the southern states start supporting openly racist politicians? Can you imagine the race riots that would occur if Obama became president and some racist white organization assassinated him? Things can get really bad, really fast.
- Kaitsu, on 05/12/2008, -10/+10Don't be shocked, the western world isn't much different. Over there it's allright to be racist to prevent immigration, and here in the west it's allright to be racist when terrorism is afoot. Both can ruin a country equally well, terrorism and immigration I mean.
When enough people feel that the government isn't doing enough to prevent the afore-mentioned problem, people will act.- SickMonkey, on 05/12/2008, -4/+4Paranoid much?
- Kaitsu, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3I don't see your country's bombs selecting their targets any better than the groups on the video do.
- Mattwdj, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1Yea but being racist towards terrorist and being racist towards immigrants is a totally different. Terrorist are attacking us,immigrants are not attacking anyone just trying to make a living like everyone else. If you are implying we should try to stop terrorism because doing so is somehow racist, you are totally wrong.
- blackjack75, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1Care to mention which country for example on this very planet was "ruined by immigration". I can only name some that greatly benefited from it (such as the U.S. and Canada).
- SickMonkey, on 05/12/2008, -4/+4Paranoid much?
- mattletron, on 05/12/2008, -3/+16That was one of the most disturbing things I've watched in a long time. I applaud Christof Putzel and his crew for being brave enough to investigate this story. I don't think I would have it in me to go into the woods with that group.
- Eskapismus, on 05/12/2008, -2/+3They should have sent Bruno the Austrian Reporter. He would have asked them about the dance where everybody takes off their shirts and the most important question "Do you have to be gay to join the skinheads"
- dotpoo, on 05/13/2008, -1/+0"I don't think I would have it in me to go into the woods with that group." - I dont think he really had a choice, after meeting them in the lobby.
- wukillabee, on 05/12/2008, -22/+8HAHA THOSE PUSSY ASS BITCHES WOULDNT DO ***** IN DA HOOD
- ohplease, on 05/12/2008, -0/+20
Your eloquent comments are swiftly destroying stereotypes everywhere. I applaud you sir. - mtkings, on 05/12/2008, -1/+10Actually nazi-skinheads are some of the craziest people you'll ever meet. I think if you had a bad run in with the Hammerskins or Blood and Honour you would quickly change your mind. They would tear DA HOOD to pieces.
- Russian1, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1Exactly. What a dumbass DA HOOD, you black?
- Russian1, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1Exactly. What a dumbass DA HOOD, you black?
- ohplease, on 05/12/2008, -0/+20
- Chahrlie5, on 05/12/2008, -10/+90Sri-Lankan American in Russia to study Plastic Surgery?
How ***** bad were his test scores?- Pinkertinkle, on 05/12/2008, -3/+318 on the MCAT? 2.3 GPA?
- Pinkertinkle, on 05/12/2008, -1/+10Actually to match into plastic surgery in the United States you do pretty much have to be a fkn genius.
- res8qr6m, on 05/12/2008, -1/+19Despite common beliefs, the education system in Russia is superb. Student funding, however, is a different issue.
- Chahrlie5, on 05/12/2008, -10/+6Yeah, I"m referring to medschool here, not highschool. If I'm having someone cut open my face, I want to know my doctor did well enough get into an AMERICAN school.
Seriously, when this Sri-Lankan guy comes back to the US, the only clients he'll have are illegal Immigrants trying to disguise themselves with $200 reconstructive surgeries.- tehnico, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6Do me a favour then, the next time you're seen by a black doctor, ask yourself if he got into his American school on their own merits, or if affirmative action got them in.
Nothing against other races, just against affirmative action and posters original assumption that American schools are the best, or only admit the best and brightest.
- tehnico, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6Do me a favour then, the next time you're seen by a black doctor, ask yourself if he got into his American school on their own merits, or if affirmative action got them in.
- prleet, on 05/12/2008, -2/+4i dont' think you know the cost of medical school......
- Pinkertinkle, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Medical school costs money? :(
- vodkataime, on 05/12/2008, -3/+12Buried for saying Russian education is bad. Do you even know how many highly qualified proffesionals come from the country and leave just because of economical circumstances ? ( including my father) . Sorry, as a proud Russian I can't let that slide.
- Mattwdj, on 05/12/2008, -5/+3Its not bad, its just bad if compared to the US. So for an american to go there and study, is kinda sketch and raises some questions. Such as how bad were his grades to have to go to russia? LOL
- historyfool24, on 05/12/2008, -2/+4maybe he knew russian and wanted to study plastic surgery to pratice it in russia? mmm maybe
- Pinkertinkle, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4Uhh... no
- Morgonslak, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4Russian (or Soviet) doctors, and especially surgeons are very very skilled. Present or former communist states in general have superb medical education systems. Just look at Cuba, that despide opressing it's poor citizens still produces top class doctors and export them to the rest of latin america even today. This is not because the communist leaders are caring about the people, but simply because good health care is an easy way of fooling the people into believing they are being "taken care" of by the government.
- exronin, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6It's wayyyyy cheaper to study medicine in Russia at a decent University than US.
- eggraid, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1yeah, but you can't leave campus...
- n0odles, on 05/13/2008, -0/+0In the US you have to be financially cleansed and then raped some more after you become a doctor. Med school is ***** expensive as hell here.
- Morgonslak, on 05/14/2008, -0/+0In Sweden it's free. All collages and universities are.
- ConanTL, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1I would have asked the guy what he thinks of Russian immigrants being brutalized in other countries. I'm willing to bet THAT would be wrong.
And I've always found it painfully ironic that most of these modern "master race" advocates are some of the dumbest ***** on the face of the earth. I say give them their own small country, sit back and enjoy watching them struggle to even feed the population much less build up an infrastructure. -
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