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- sagat, on 01/12/2008, -3/+36This is how it went:
Public: "We want free Wi-Fi in the City"
Council: "Sure"
...6 months later
Public: "Well?"
Council: "Ah, we just got back from a nice holida.. um fact finding trip to Brussels and it seems that there might be some obscure legislation somewhere that might block us"
Public: "Really? And you aren't going to challange it? Question it?"
Council: "Oh look it's lunchtime already, terribly sorry have to get to the golfcourse or I'll miss my teetime!"
Public: "Shag off bastard Civil Servants" - sagat, on 01/12/2008, -1/+27They couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery.
- dregin, on 01/12/2008, -4/+28I'd say the ISPs had more to say about it that any EU lawmakers.
*****. - MWyb, on 01/12/2008, -2/+23How would it be freeloading if it was free for everyone? Consider yourself lucky that you CAN pay for the internet. Not everyone can. The internet is an educational tool for loads of people, and should therefore absolutely be available to everyone.
- ferose333, on 01/12/2008, -1/+18If only the Internet was free for everyone everywhere.
- mr5150, on 01/12/2008, -2/+17Big business wins again and the public get to bend over and take it in the ass. What's new?
- pintomp3, on 01/12/2008, -1/+16do public roads promote freeloading too?
- dregin, on 01/12/2008, -0/+10Here's a better article on it:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/11/dublin_pul ... - Hologram0110, on 01/12/2008, -2/+12As a socialist I can argue that there is a net benefit to society by implementing a network like this for both the rich and the poor.
Its like all those ***** libraries we lefties keep trying to keep open and up to date... - mark076h, on 01/12/2008, -1/+10wow what a short article
- Freegrout, on 01/12/2008, -2/+10You should be aware that there's a Dublin outside of the East San Francisco Bay area. Why on earth would you care about the fiscal conservatism of the Irish government.
You do know that it won't put a financial drain on YOUR government, don't you? - mentol, on 01/12/2008, -1/+8they should be boycotted for this stupid regulation.
I will get drunk and send them a funny email tonight :)) - subterfuge, on 01/12/2008, -1/+7nothing is free. things the government gives the people are paid for by the people.
- pintomp3, on 01/12/2008, -0/+6reminds of the cochabamba water wars when they privatized the municipal water supply. they outlawed collecting rain water without a license. it's amazing the influence corporations have over governments at the expense of the public.
- chaosium, on 01/12/2008, -1/+7You're forgetting that Free Market Libertopians believe that public libraries should be abolished.
- SimonGray, on 01/12/2008, -0/+6HSDPA - the upgraded 3G wireless tech - is being deployed across Europe. You can get a 1.5 Mbit/s connection for about €40/month in Copenhagen right now (remember, this means you can get online ANYWHERE in cph), and it's going to get much cheaper and faster in the following years as people start buying the new 3G phones (14.4 Mbit/s is the current max download rate).
- AlbinoRaven, on 01/12/2008, -1/+6So far this will be the 50th free municipal WiFi project that has hit the crapper. Captial and Operational costs are the main reason, then there are the security problems for the public using a giant network everyone is using at the same time.
- Frostman3D, on 01/12/2008, -2/+7This is sad. It's all about corporate greed and corporate infiltration of Government.
- inactive, on 01/12/2008, -1/+5Not likely, we can't even get free water - I think that would be more of a priority.
- stuckinOK06, on 01/12/2008, -0/+4The article would be much better if it stated WHY the free WiFi is supposedly illegal. Anyone know?
- Nyaos, on 01/12/2008, -0/+4There is no WiFi that we can pay for in the city.
- MrPhelps, on 01/12/2008, -0/+4The EU never said the wifi project would be illegal. The city censored itself without actually trying. In Paris, there is free wifi access in all parks and gardens (granted, this is far covering from the whole city). This free wifi has been challenged by the ISPs, but the city won the trial.
- 4NDr01D, on 01/12/2008, -1/+5boingboing = blogspam
why even link to the article at all, the Digg description was verbatim... - JohnP, on 01/13/2008, -0/+3Holy *****. So thats why americans are so ***** decrepit, they get all their facts from films! Guy fawkes was fighting against protestant religion... If you call him a hero then frankly you should be ripped apart by every non catholic who has been allowed to live their lives since the fall of a ruling religion.
Also Europe has been doing the whole government thing long before your ***** of a country became fat on the profit of war. We know best, you clearly know jack *****, hence you being the most widely hated political entity for most of the 20th century.
The current state of europe is the culmination of thousands of years of territorial pissing and oneupmanship coming to an end, now we have decided that we dont want to become like the USA or russia, embroiled in some bitter trans-continental retard fight, so we are focussing on keeping our citizens alive and healthy. If you dont like it keep your fat arse in your ***** country. And if you must comment on the state of the EU, do us all a favour and read a ***** book first.
P.S. The use of the word "cousins" regarding the British is also rather amusing. Maybe you should invest in a dictionary. - Owwmykneecap, on 01/13/2008, -0/+3Ireland is not part of britain.
It's not hard to understand. - localzuk, on 01/12/2008, -1/+4The security implications could actually be minimal if implemented properly. The internet manages it...
The main problem here will be the ISPs putting pressure on the government. It would effectively wipe out larges swathes of their potential income in a single sweep. - orca94, on 01/12/2008, -2/+5Ass Wipe:
Because you entered into an implicit contract with society the moment you were born, and when you deicded to stay in whatever particular country you decided to stay in. If a democractic system in said country decides that it is best to implement such a system, then you as a stakholder in that society bear some of the responsibility. If you don't like it, then as you conservatives like to say, get the ***** out. - Coded1, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3Why are you digging gizzy down? Isn't this the attitude everyone here says is a good thing? On paper these laws are supported by the people they govern so if this is not the case should they not be able to seek a change? Or do we wait till everyone gets stuck with implanted chips to make sure they are allowed to walk the streets as they please?
- jmpeagle, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3the article the blog was referencing/kinking to is not much longer
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0109/wifi.html - inactive, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3I'm on 2.8Mb now, at £10/per GB - the funny thing is it is faster + cheaper than getting ADSL round here (if your not downloading too much).. landlines max out at about 1Mb 'cos I'm a few miles from the exchange.
- Hauk2004, on 01/12/2008, -1/+4It's not the golf course, it's the local Spar for a brekkie roll and cup of Spars finest tea :P
- qwertylicious, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2Here in Norwich we have citywide free wifi...
Linkage : http://tinyurl.com/zex2p
Only 256kbps for the layman, but it's good enough for checking emails and light surfing. - Owwmykneecap, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2Cooperation between countries shattered after two world wars in an effort to prevent the pointless slaughter of millions again.
The freeing of trading and resources between countries and the ability to move where you want and work across a varied continent and to help give every European a good quality of life.
You idiot. - sirloin, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2idiot statement of the year..it is pointless because is waiting for wifi calls on a network that isnt there.
Municipal Wi-Fi hasn't fared well around the world, partly because blanketing an area in Wi-Fi is technically very difficult, but also because it's actually pretty pointless. No one is seriously wandering around expecting to receive calls on a Wi-Fi mobile phone as yet, and if you want to use a laptop then it's generally as easy to find a hot spot as it is to find a chair from which to use it. - Kevinman, on 01/12/2008, -1/+3Dublin City Council couldn't finish it's feckin' dinner, never mind finish a city-wide WiFi project
- inactive, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2Perhaps the same could be said for its implementation.
- Hauk2004, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2Ha, if it did come into effect, would it be the same guy changing the bins doing tech support?
- Freegrout, on 01/12/2008, -2/+4We could easily have payed for it, that's not the reason it was cancelled. A lot of people don't realise how wealthy Ireland is, in our national budget revenues exceed expenditures by the equivalent of six billion dollars annually. Our government makes a substantial gain to the surplus every year.
The real reason is more likely that the main telecom provider is partly state owned, free WiFi would represent a huge potential loss in a densely populated area. - Nudar, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2Thank God Norway has been wise enough to stay away from the EU.
- inactive, on 01/12/2008, -3/+5Inaccurate *****. EU law does not disallow wireless
- JohnP, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2I love this. "We cant provide this very expensive maintenance heavy service because, err, because of the EU! Bureaucratic bastards!"
Clearly this is utter, utter *****. - orca94, on 01/14/2008, -0/+2Rousseau believed that the arts, sciences and development in general were detrimental to individuals and you're trying to follow his rhetoric? Wow you're a ***** moron, go back to ***** school. In fact I reccomend you take a class they offer at Stanford fo freshman, it's called Citizenship. Unfortunately you can't, and even if you could you'd be too dense to get what they were talking about.
And I end in my final reply to you, if you don't like goverment, governance or the thought of social programs, do something about. Go make a city under the sea somewhere, I hope you ***** drown. - widgetmaker, on 01/12/2008, -1/+3no it isn't, It is about govs deciding it isn't worth wasting tax payers money on.
- insomn3ak, on 01/13/2008, -0/+2Those taxes are the reason we still have those roads. No taxes=no roads that are decent to drive on.
Some people will say that a company should just buy the roads from the government and then we can pay for their upkeep by paying tolls everytime we drive on them.
Hmm...isn't that sort of like...a tax?? Except, this would be a WAY more expensive "tax" than the government would impose. If all the roads were privatized, we would be paying tolls every 50 miles or so. They would be expensive, AND it would take longer to go anywhere. - orca94, on 01/14/2008, -0/+2Modern societies work on Locke's principals not Rousseau's, if you don't like goverment go live on the ***** moon. I'm so sick and tired of you selfish, worthless pieces of garbage that seem to pop up on digg.
- insomn3ak, on 01/13/2008, -0/+2Yea...gee why don't we build libraries and let everyone read books or free while we're at it. And, while we're at it...why don't we just give everyone free fire and crime protection. Public radio and television...Adios! After all...it's programs like these that put a great financial drain on the government. Then, they raise taxes AGAIN...probably so we can all be healthier or something stupid like that.
/sarcasm
No one is asking for handouts. They simply want human beings to start taking care of each other again, and stop being so ***** selfish and greedy. - essjay, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2I can attempt an even shorter version.. Here goes...
"***** the EU"
Thanks for listening. - Ramble, on 01/12/2008, -1/+3If you've ever seen a debate in the Irish commons then you would be forced to agree.
- smackhero, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2while i understand that this pertains to the EU, there is a lot of political resistance to municipal wi-fi in the states as well. i think the best way to realize ubiquitous wi-fi access is to start petitioning for municipal wi-fi adoption at the local level. this may be difficult if you live in a big city like LA or NY, but if you live in smaller cities or towns, i think it's a very achievable goal.
and once enough communities and local governments adopt municipal wi-fi, it'll eventually reach critical mass and start catching on much faster as other cities find themselves wanting to keep their communications infrastructure up to date. i mean, it's such an obvious/logical next step that i think, if you explain the necessity for municipal wi-fi as well as its inherent benefits, most people will support its adoption--especially in more tightly-knit communities where people are more concerned with public benefit/good of the community over miserly and shortsighted tax policies. - inactive, on 01/12/2008, -1/+3You show them mentol!
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