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- inactive, on 05/30/2009, -3/+40Guessing no one is gonna try and steal their trash.
- CaptOblivious, on 05/31/2009, -5/+32"No weapons allowed" signs do not stop criminals. It just tells them that nobody there will fire back for at least twenty minutes until the police arrive.
Truer words were never written. Nothing like laws that guarantee the safety of armed criminals! - Aceed, on 05/31/2009, -11/+33"No weapons allowed" signs do not stop criminals. It just tells them that nobody there will fire back for at least twenty minutes until the police arrive. If every single person openly carried a firearm, this would be the safest country in the world.
I'm glad these people are doing what they're doing and I'm more than happy to support them. The officer being quoted was being purposefully obtuse. He knows that a police officer in Washington State can *never* legally detain or remove the firearm from a person open carrying in a legal manner. Simply carrying the firearm does *not* warrant alarm as he purposefully misled the reader to believe in the RCW. - Geheg3D, on 05/30/2009, -19/+40Awesome. I open carry regularly here in NH, and love to see other people taking responsibility for their own (and, to some extent, other people's) protection. People should learn that guns are not evil - they are just a tool.
- richirwin, on 05/31/2009, -9/+27Big ***** deal. So they carry a gun. So what.
- Samurai77, on 05/31/2009, -8/+23How are they hicks, why are you so judgmental, are you afraid of the state not being there to protect you?
- Codename46, on 05/31/2009, -7/+20They do it to protest being discriminated against because they choose to exercise a Constitutional right.
- CaptOblivious, on 05/31/2009, -2/+14Do not ***** play with the gun.
Do not point the muzzle at anything you do not intend on destroying.
That's basic gun safety, a course that all legal gun owners have taken and something that none of the illegal gun holders have done. - Paulish, on 05/31/2009, -1/+13I live in Seattle. We don't really have a lot of hicks. We have some hippies and Libertarians. It is probably the libertarians and maybe some conservatives that are doing this.
- voisine, on 05/31/2009, -4/+13Open carrying in public is the purpose of the exercise. Get people used to the idea and comfortable seeing it. The trash pickup is just something constructive to do as goodwill gesture.
- homercles337, on 05/31/2009, -3/+10People should learn that you are a tool, and likely a god damn idiot to boot.
- nsanidy, on 05/31/2009, -6/+13I have my CCW permit. I'm all about gun rights, but what they are doing by posting signs etc. is just not polite. They could simply open carry and people might notice, although carrying out in the open is impolite and frowned upon by most CCW permit holders. These John Wayne wannabes make gun laws tougher on all of us.
There are certain courtesy rules that you should abide by when carrying a firearm. They are made to do nothing but inflict serious body harm or death, and this worries a lot of people that may or may not be educated in proper firearm use. The fact is, people get uncomfortable -- and if you open carry you will surely make someone uncomfortable. The sight of a firearm scares a lot of people. Period.
Do not open carry.
Do not take your gun into any house as a guest.
Do not ***** play with the gun.
Do not point the muzzle at anything you do not intend on destroying.
If you're licensed to carry then carry your gun with you, but don't use it as a penis extender. After all, for responsible gun owners the safest place for your gun to be is on your person but for Christs sake not out in the open. That's just asking for problems. - jimmarch1, on 05/31/2009, -4/+10Rights are like muscles. Unless you exercise 'em, you lose 'em.
What they're trying to avoid is a situation like Texas, where you can get a concealed carry permit no problem BUT if your piece is ever exposed for a second it's a crime. That becomes a pain in the butt if a breeze hits your jacket.
In the states where concealed carry permits are NOT handled very well there's going to be another more radical variant of all this. California, New York, Mass, New Jersey, Hawaii, Iowa and I think one or two others handle the permits in a "discretionary" manner which all too often means "law enforcement sells them to campaign contributors or just takes cash under the table". A member of the brass who cut two NYC carry permits for the two top guys in Aerosmith was fired after they figured out he'd gotten backstage passes and limo rides with the band, as one stupid example. There's also a couple of states lacking concealed carry in any form, Wisconsin and Illinois.
Here's the kicker, and how this relates to open carry: in the summer of '08 the US Supreme Court in Heller ruled that the 2nd Amendment ("right to keep and bear arms") is a personal, individual civil right. The case wasn't about "street carry" in any form, it was about owning a gun in the home. WashDC's ban on same was thrown out.
In the decision, a lot of other notes on how this all works was kicked around.
The court said that states could probably limit concealed carry or even ban it - but the cases they cite for that at footnote 9 all say the same thing: "banning concealed carry is OK only so long as open carry is legal".
That could lead to situtations like what happened in Ohio in 2003: that state's supreme court said that the limitation on concealed carry was legal, "because open carry was legal". Which was BIG news to the various police departments that had been busting open carriers for generations. So the gunnies all gleefully strapped up and went on marches, including round and round the state capitol, until they got annoying enough that the legislature passed a reasonable concealed carry permit system.
The hink in this plan in other states is that the 2nd Amendment isn't yet "incorporated" against the states. Complex situation, go here for details:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php? ...
One case in California (applying to all the 9th Circuit including Hawaii and Guam) has applied the 2nd Amendment to the states (Nordyke, less than a month ago) but it's implementation has been delayed because one judge in the 9th Circuit wants to get it heard by an 11-judge panel ("en banc"). Assuming incorporation (applying the 2nd Amendment to the states) survives the "en banc" hearing (if there is one at all), gunnies in California and likely Hawaii are going to go bonkers with the whole open carry thing, trying to force the same reforms in the same way as happened in Ohio. And if incorporation happens in other circuits either by circuit court decisions or a supreme court ruling on incorporation, the same will happen in the rest of the gun control hot-zones in rapid order. - Cloned, on 05/31/2009, -2/+8I actually don't feel anything. I don't think twice when I see someone with a gun on their belt.
Maybe I just haven't been programmed to think that guns are evil and anyone with a gun is out looking for trouble. - Protonz, on 05/31/2009, -1/+6I'm guessing people have a double standard for people open carrying if they put on a silly costume. The sad fact is, that silly costume makes them less liable if they kill you without just cause.
- BahamaBreeze, on 05/31/2009, -6/+11OMG people who carry guns are helping clean up the community in a responsible manner? They should make that illegal. Guns are evil and only rednecks own guns. You shouldn't even consider carrying a gun because bad things don't happen and no one with a gun has ever successfully defended themselves and others.
/s - Cloned, on 05/31/2009, -4/+8But it means they can, so they are. That's kind of the whole point.
- hmunkey, on 05/31/2009, -2/+6Not all libertarians and conservatives are crazy, only the religious nutjob ones are. True conservatives and libertarians are respectable albeit rare.
- homercles337, on 05/31/2009, -2/+6@TheOneKen, im a statistician and i have never encountered a sector that has such a profound bias as the gun lobby when it comes to statistics. I would *never* use those numbers again if i were you. They are so profoundly wrong, its disturbing. Trust me when i say you guys lose every single statistical argument ever made. All you have is "faith" that guns keep you safe. The numbers, math, statistics, prove you wrong, time and time again, but you cling to your faith while ignoring facts. There is no level of factual evidence that will change your faith. Its sad, but true.
- ahhell, on 05/31/2009, -9/+13Is it really necessary for them to be armed?
Just because you have the right to carry a gun doesn't mean have to. - Cloned, on 05/31/2009, -0/+4Seattle is known for their hicks who work to help the environment by picking up trash.
- Subduction, on 05/31/2009, -16/+19Actually, they're more of a replacement for another, otherwise inadequate tool.
- appleofdischord, on 05/31/2009, -0/+3All the people I've been around that carried knives or guns were a bit unbalanced, honestly.
- irfanmp, on 05/30/2009, -14/+17Hey it's a free country... so this is great. But honestly - what do they need their guns for? An armed garbage man who is pissed they are taking his business away?
- Subduction, on 05/31/2009, -1/+4OneKen, don't you mean 108,000 to 2.5 million?
- dhughes, on 05/31/2009, -1/+4 I was looking at a Brink's armed guard wanted ad, the job paid $24/hour so I looked into what I needed in order to carry a weapon.
Guns are not exactly common here in Canadian cites (other than large cities, especially Toronto). I would need a Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) which would also need to be a special type of PAL in order to carry a handgun since all handguns are restricted weapons in Canada. then I'd need an ATC (Authorization to Transport) since I'd be transporting it/carrying the restricted weapon. - voisine, on 05/31/2009, -4/+7They are well aware that people are uncomfortable with it. That's the whole point of the exercise. Help people get familiar with it, used to it, and more comfortable.
- burningrobot, on 05/31/2009, -1/+4Thanks for a sensible comment. dugg
- casek, on 05/31/2009, -0/+3Criminals For Gun Control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngsKzdKNAmo - inactive, on 05/31/2009, -3/+5If you want to carry, it is your constitutional right and it shall not be infringed.
- TheOneKen, on 05/31/2009, -2/+4People need to get used to regular citizens carrying openly. That way when your concealed weapon is spotted by some soccer mom, she doesn't automatically think that you're a gang banger. It also helps spread awareness and reduce fear about looser guns laws. We're all on the same team here.
- jmcneilly, on 05/31/2009, -3/+5Does it matter if the stranger is wearing jeans or a uniform? A licensed person carrying has shown a history of obeying the law and lack of criminal history. Responsible people come in all colors, creeds and sizes. Regardless of their calling. Cops go nuts on occasion too.
- OrangeTide, on 05/31/2009, -1/+3I suspect you only see the problem people. I suspect there are a lot of people who carry that you don't even know carry because they don't go around trying to compensate for their small penis.
If someone pulled a gun on me because of some stupid bar fight, I would defuse the situation as best as I could. and call the cops on the guy at my earliest convenience. Once you get a felony conviction on those guys they can't legally buy any new guns. And will be, hopefully, less likely to flash them around, or maybe they'll just keep going to jail/prison. - BottledViolence, on 05/31/2009, -0/+2I feel safer with one strapped to my hip.
I've carried for years, never had to use it, hope I never do.
I carry concealed and legally BTW. - Subduction, on 05/31/2009, -1/+3I think we should wear gun belts that just automatically start shooting if the adrenaline in our bloodstream goes above a certain level.
Then we would have a society that would be free of any arguments or conflict at all, and everybody would have to be super-courteous to each other, because if anyone got worked up over anything our belts would just start blasting everything in sight. - CrazyDave303, on 05/31/2009, -3/+5Well if some one is going to have a gun on them, they should have to where it out in the open. It should be illegal to conceal a gun
- Shiftgood, on 05/31/2009, -2/+4I think we should live in a society where everyone has the power and willingness to kill each other at the drop of a hat.
what a utopia that would be. - inactive, on 05/31/2009, -0/+2Oh no Bette Middler!
- elnerdo, on 05/31/2009, -12/+14I strongly support gun rights. That said, this argument is kind of dumb. The majority of gun crimes are not premeditated. They are spur-of-the-moment attacks. If everyone had a gun, these spur-of-the-moment attacks would certainly increase.
- ray4389, on 05/31/2009, -1/+3My dad has a temper, but has never used his gun for those purposes like you stated. While he may fight at the drop of a hat, he pulled his gun once--my neighbor was outside his home with a guy robbing him. The robber had a gun to the back of my neighbor's head. That gun potentially saved his life/prevented robbery.
A gun owner can be hotheaded as hell, but a simple understanding of when it is needed is necessary. I'm hot headed as ***** and do not own a handgun (yet). I typically keep a tatical knife with me when partying around campus due to the number of shootings and robberies around it. I've been in altercations while both sober and drunk and have never pulled the knife. My fists are all I need, but if somebody else has a deadlier weapon, I'm not bringing a "knife to a gun fight" so to speak. Keeping level thinking is something people should learn growing up. - mksmothers, on 05/31/2009, -0/+1Just because you have the right to assemble, speak and the press, doesn't mean you have to. Silly bill of rights, what were we thinking?
- mksmothers, on 05/31/2009, -0/+1Yes
- Paulish, on 05/31/2009, -0/+1Well, I don't get out much so you could very well be right.
- Subduction, on 05/31/2009, -0/+1Well said.
- KMFDM781, on 05/31/2009, -5/+6Too many people who own guns and carry, either on their person or in the vehicles have this cocky attitude and willingness to engage others in hostile confrontations, and that's a problem. They know they have that gun there to save their asses if someone threatens them.
I've seen people pull their pistol because of an argument that MAY have just resulted in a fist fight, but they're too much of a ***** pussy to take an ass kicking. I can see owning a gun for protection against violent crime or whatever, but someone cuts a gun owner off in traffic and the gun owner's screaming things at the other person to provoke a fight. They know they have their little pansy ass backup, so they feel invincible... - Subduction, on 05/31/2009, -1/+2That would have been more effective if you'd used the Reply button properly.
- Humptydank, on 05/31/2009, -1/+2Sometimes the jokes just write themselves, folks.
- elnerdo, on 06/01/2009, -0/+1He has a point. I said "The majority of gun crimes are not premeditated". I pulled that 'fact' out of my ass, and because it's been called out, I retract it. Only my second post is needed to understand my point.
- krisdahl, on 06/01/2009, -0/+1FYI: July 4 is Open Carry Day.
Rights are like muscles: if you don't flex them, you'll lose them. -
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