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- chuckDontSurf, on 05/07/2009, -3/+36What a bunch of overgeneralized crap. "Swingers parties became a huge thing" in suburbia?? Sure, just like everyone was having sex in middle school except you.
- OrdinaryPanda, on 05/07/2009, -3/+31LSD and acid are the same thing, article writer.
- davewashere, on 05/07/2009, -2/+23This article could use an editor and a fact checker. On the Road and Howl were published in 1957 and 1956, respectively, not the late-40's/early-50's. Also, it's Allen Ginsberg, not Alan Ginsburg. They should have mentioned Neal Cassady, as he was friends with original beats like Ginsberg and Kerouac along with being part of the Merry Pranksters in the mid-60's.
To sum up everything in this article: new fads pop up, they are exploited for profit, and then they die as another fad takes their place. - mbelrose, on 05/07/2009, -4/+24The worst thing about hipsters is when they won't get off of my lawn.
- rl41, on 05/07/2009, -1/+20"They experiment with LSD and acid far more..."
"This lends to large acid and LSD taking parties."
Aren't acid and LSD different names for the same thing? - cannonball, on 05/07/2009, -3/+21That girl in the picture early 80's picture is seriously hot.
BTW, hating a hipster is as easy as hating a jock. It just takes one to hate them all. - Lucas123, on 05/07/2009, -5/+23I used to love the lunch counter at Woolworths. Hot dog, chips and a coke for $1.25. Definitely counter culture there.
- aargh01, on 05/07/2009, -0/+13Of course, this is the natural progression of culture. A cultural meme is created (hippy culture, beat, etc.), gains momentum, becomes popular, becomes part of culture at large, becomes way overdone/overused, and people tired of or just uninterested in the meme create something new, which becomes popular, and so on and so on. It's a good thing, because it means the culture is vital, not stagnant.
There's always gonna be posers with any sub-culture group (goth, hipster, raver, punk etc), but the people who are genuinely into it are usually worthwhile and interesting people (except emos; Emo is a sub-culture consisting entirely of and exclusively for posers).
Also, LSD and acid are the same thing.... - Hetman, on 05/07/2009, -4/+17There is still counter cultures. They just seem to be more localized in urban center these days. They are different than the past, and are not in such a massive scale. I still do not understand why people hate hipsters. Some of them are deuchbags but that goes for almost every group of people.
- timmyduboy, on 05/07/2009, -1/+12The culture of "fake-hipsters" is a phenomenon that can only be explained alongside an understanding of current American pop culture.
If pop culture continues to praise Nickelback and Wolverine there will always be people who decide they've had enough and dive into the "indie" world of Clap Your Hands Say Yeah and French indie movies, albeit not having much reason behind it.
Other than being able to say that Nickelback sucks, of course. - boxoctosis, on 05/07/2009, -3/+14Buried. Very little of what the author describes is what I would consider counterculture. Real counterculture is, to me, when people get together to change the world, not what kind of pants or bands or glasses or whatever the kids are into. Action is what counterculture really means. Labor unions, tax protesters, civil rights activists, squatters, green activists, and proponents of new technology, are some of the groups working toward real change. I don't deny that artistic expression has a lot to do with counterculture, but it's the creative process itself which is the action, not the consumerist culture the author describes. The article is about how "edgy" pop culture gets co-opted and sold back to kids. If this were the stated hypothesis, it would still be a flawed argument. The process of assimilation and rejection that trends follow has been accelerated to the breaking point by the information revolution. When I was a kid, you actually had to know somebody into punk or industrial or goth or whatever, and/or spend a lot of time browsing zines and flyers to get into it. Now you can google whatever you're into, and it's all right there. The whole thing has imploded, and that's why nobody really knows what's hip or cool anymore. If you can make your style work for yourself, you own it. Oh, and LSD and acid are the same thing, dude.
- misternils, on 05/07/2009, -3/+14Buried. Not saying he doesn't have some valid points, but most of this article is garbage.
- Timicus, on 05/07/2009, -0/+11What about the internet? What's the internet penetration in the US nowadays, 73%? Anyone with a computer doesn't need to go a coffee shop to exchange ideas, socialize, or 'rebel'. Although it's probably a comment on the sad state of our culture, communities like the ones on4chan and somethingawful fit most definitions of a counter culture, right?
- digitalArtform, on 05/07/2009, -1/+9Twenty-three skidoo
- DArangio, on 05/07/2009, -1/+9"Bob Dylan gives The Beatles marijuana and acid upon their first meeting on August 28th, 1964."
Any good music historian knows this to be partially untrue. Bob Dylan did introduce The Beatles to marijuana, but they didn't start to experiment with LSD until 1965.
"In April 1965, Lennon and Harrison were introduced to LSD by an acquaintance, dentist John Riley, who slipped some into their coffees." - Wikipedia - mparker21311, on 05/07/2009, -3/+10I just want this whole "ghetto culture" to die down a bit. It's getting pretty lame...
- 68024, on 05/07/2009, -1/+8No mention of punk in the 1970s? How can this article be taken seriously. Yes, I know it's mentioned in the 80s. But it started in the 70s. Some would even say it started in the 60s with the Velvet Underground.
- Zarokima, on 05/07/2009, -0/+6There were three pregnancies in my seventh grade class, and that same year two sexth graders got expelled for ***** in the bathroom. While this is probably an extraordinary case, it didn't do much for my friends' and my feelings of inadequacy back then.
- brucealmighty, on 05/07/2009, -3/+9The late '60s is described way too superficially here. There was not some vague, implied correlation between the counter culture movement and the anti-war movement - they were inextricably linked. People who weren't there don't understand what the DRAFT was like. All young men were at risk to some degree and everyone knew others who were forced against their will to pick up guns and go fight in a jungle on the other side of the globe for reasons no one could really explain satisfactorily. Many died and others came back with missing limbs. Ultimately some even died protesting the war in Ohio. All that had far more to do with stimulating the movement to rebel against the status quo than the Beatles or LSD or any artistic trends.
- nep2111, on 05/07/2009, -0/+6"they experiment with LSD and acid far more than the beatniks of New York, who are far more into 'uppers'."
Lysergic acid diethylamide = LSD = "acid" - burningrobot, on 05/07/2009, -0/+6Apparently he's not hip to the drug culture.
Which brings up the question, why is an outsider writing an article on a subject he knows nothing about? - bradleyland, on 05/08/2009, -1/+7I used to love Woolworth's too. My nana worked there. She's dead now. And the Woolworth closed. I'm gonna go now.
- KingGorilla, on 05/07/2009, -1/+7You can get a delicious Hot dog and soda for $1.50 at costco. This really has nothing to do with the article. I just like costco food
- boxoctosis, on 05/07/2009, -0/+5i really wonder why some people care so much about what kind of pants other people are wearing.
- itinerantspectr, on 05/08/2009, -0/+5I think his point is that every 5 years or so the current counterculture becomes mainstream and spawns a new counterculture which itself becomes mainstream which spawns a new counterculture and so on. Every trend is given a rough, general description and simplified to fit into his theory. It has some truth to it, it's actually fun to think about where we are now and where we're going. With all of the comic book movies coming out, microblogging, and 80s pop culture having a resurgence, you might say that geek culture is building up to a mainstream peak. Of course, there are always multiple streams of culture flowing at the same time. They all blend and influence one another. Any extreme gives rise to its opposite, that's why we went from having a right wing president who wages wars in the Mideast to a president with the middle name Hussein. Honestly, I've felt left out of any culture since the early 2000s. It's kind of like I'm waiting for "my"culture to come back around. I'll know it when I see it. Actually, I'd just be content if mainstream culture embraced the mentality that the drug war is an extreme failure.
- Soupchicken, on 05/07/2009, -0/+5I'm calling it right now, 4chan will be responsible for the next wave of counter-culture.
I can only hope it involves full denim suits and Rick Astley. - sysoprock, on 05/07/2009, -4/+8The only way this "hipster" culture will die off for good will be in a couple years when all these ***** get too fat to fit into their skinny womens jeans.
- indubitably, on 05/08/2009, -1/+5Solution: Bear Traps
- inactive, on 05/07/2009, -6/+10counter culture seems to get less hot as time goes on, emo FTL
- burningrobot, on 05/07/2009, -1/+5I wonder if the author did ANY research for this article. The name of the great beat poet is Allen Ginsberg. Who is this doppelganger Alan Ginsburg?
- shoblime, on 05/07/2009, -0/+4Well obviously the writer isn't part of the subculture enough to understand the slang..probably a narc
- alexanEmpire, on 05/08/2009, -0/+4Solution: Land mines.
- whiteknight128, on 05/07/2009, -1/+5Dylan didnt give the Beatles LSD, just weed. He rolled a joint for them but Ringo didnt know to puff puff pass so Dylan had to give them 3 more joints ^_^
- timmyduboy, on 05/08/2009, -0/+3I wish I were back in sexth grade.
- ducttape36, on 05/08/2009, -0/+3Solution: Bear Mines
- GalacticRerun, on 05/08/2009, -0/+3Your aunt can be any age. Even younger than you! You should have said mother, who can be as old as your aunt, but not possibly as young as you.
- babyheadout, on 05/07/2009, -1/+4Ikea Meatballs
Gravy - VisualRhetoric, on 05/07/2009, -4/+7Ya, because no one knew about "indie rock" before Garden State...except for you...right?
- shanealeslie, on 05/08/2009, -0/+2Nice onion on your belt.
- shanealeslie, on 05/08/2009, -0/+2You are right - in the end it all comes back to whats gonna get you laid.
- kaosethema, on 05/07/2009, -2/+4she's also old enough (now) to be your aunt
- markbushy, on 05/07/2009, -0/+22000's
There hasn't been much counter-culture, but eventhough it may be seen as a stupid fad,
Around the start of 2000's - Flash mobbing/guerrilla gigs
Later part of 2000's - British people may know what I'm talking about! (see recent T-Mobile advertising)
Also a bit un-related but you could possibly work out at what age people are more imprinted by culture. If people who consider themselves a part of counter culture are born around the same part of a decade i.e. beginning, middle or end, you may be able to calculate the rough age at which culture has more of an impact. e.g. if most "counter culture people" are born in the last part of a decade, could this possibly mean the age of 5 or 15 is important? - timmyduboy, on 05/08/2009, -0/+2I will help you get dugg down, since that is obviously your goal.
- micaheldotu, on 05/07/2009, -1/+3Maybe it's a good thing that counter culture has become "current culture" because that means everything has become more accepted and as a society we are more accepting. The fact that "hipsters" don't have to fight the mainstream just means that there isn't any tension. People are still allowed to have their own ideas and beliefs, it's just harder to discriminate against them now because we can't see it just by their appearance, which I think is a good thing.
- inactive, on 05/08/2009, -0/+2Truly 4chan is the last true conter-culture.
- SystmBetatester, on 05/08/2009, -0/+2"lsd and acid"? pretty sure last time i checked they are the same thing :\
- Egroh08, on 05/08/2009, -0/+2Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Also, Bob Dylan didn't introduce the Beatles to LSD, though I heard he might have done so with pot.
- CivicTV, on 08/14/2009, -0/+2Yeah he really missed the whole start of it there . . . buried for that alone.
- inactive, on 05/08/2009, -0/+2Look, there's "counter culture" movements that are highly visible and fade out or morph, and then there are the numerous individuals who do it all on their own. In addition - there's people like Chomsky, Goodman, and Zinn that transcends all the poser *****. There are people doing real work to oppose the establishment and help others - all without the glory of fashion.
- xedd, on 05/10/2009, -0/+2Solution: Loud polka music.
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