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- ThankTheCheese, on 10/12/2007, -4/+45@DiggMeUpPlsThx
7 steps to avoid busting a nut:
1. go to Digg.com
2. click on Profile + History
3. Click on profile + settings
4. Click on manage topics
5. Uncheck "apple" checkbox under technology
6. click Save Changes.
7. stop your bitching. - zip22, on 10/12/2007, -7/+46so are you tired or aroused?
- totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -7/+28Why not just remove the Apple topic?
- totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16http://blogs.forrester.com/devicesmedia/2006/12/itunes_sales_ar.html
Forrester clarifies their original report to their clients. - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Forrester tells the REAL story, flag564 crawls back into his troll hole, bitter and defeated. Again.
- val8ntin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Am I the only one who thinks "fine" might not be the best adjective to use in a company press release?
- Bokista, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Do the claims wear clown make-up and ride tiny bikes? Do they throw spaghetti about in a foolish manner? Do they play catch with their invisible white rabbit? Because that might be silly.
- node3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12No, Sonic, that's a decline. A collapse is when something falls apart.
iTunes sales may be in a decline, I don't know, but they definitely haven't collapsed. - 16x9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10> DiggMeUpPlsThx wrote: "Did I mention how tired I am to see Apple news on digg.com. If I see one more thing that is related to Apple on digg.com I seriously will bust a nut."
What the hell is wrong with some of you people?!?! If you don't want to read Apple related news then turn off that damned option and stop whining about it.
I, for example, have absolutely no interest in "Celebrity" news. As such I faced a choice. I could...
A) turn off the "Celebrity" option in my Digg profile and never have to read about which part of Paris Hilton's anatomy is being flashed today (I call this the rational choice).
...or I could...
B) continue to subscribe to Celebrity news and then frequent all the submissions in that category with my rants about how I hate celebrity news (this one I call the irrational [or moronic] choice).
What Digg REALLY needs is an automated text replacement system. Every time a user rants about too much THING_I_HATE news in the THING_I_HATE category, the automated system should simply replace their comments with the text: "I'm too frickin' stupid to alter my Digg profile and besides I want to live in a world where everyone likes exactly the same things I like. Waaaa."
Just a suggestion. - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16"Not once in the "rebuke" did they give statistics or information that directly addresses the claim that "sales are slowing." If they had information like "up such and such percent since this time last year" etc, they would surely give it. The only thing said that addresses the original claim is "sales slow at certain times of the year." The rest is just general statistics about market share.
Fanboys everywhere are reassured, but real investors can see through these types of statements."
If you knew anything about investing you would know that companies have to release specific profit related information on a schedule to avoid the appearance or reality that they are trying to manipulate the stock price. They also have to have scheduled blackout periods when insiders are prevented from stock transactions. That can't all be arranged in this timeframe, so they can't be more specific. However they can make statements countering clearly wrong information.
So don't be a *****. - alternative724, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7flag564, you are notorious for being a total douchebag.
nice. - Mossman85, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"As Bernoff clearly holds no accurate data on iTunes sales, he based his claim on a proprietary analysis of 2,000 US credit card statements"
A credit card is just one way to buy music on itunes. I for one use itunes music cards. - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Quix,
at least he had a day or two to celebrate before the real news came out :) You know, hang out with all his zune friends, gloat, share some tunes, do the social, that kinda thing :P - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11What about Forrester, the analysts who posted the original report? Do they have any credibility to you?
- tafdc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Please, please - don't confuse me with facts.
This report was bought and paid for to do one thing - throw a brick through the plate glass window of iPod invincibility perception. Due to iPod's phenomonal success, the report was bound to be picked up by mainstream media outlets across the country - especially since we all know they never bother to actually check their facts before going to press. After all, some other media outlet might get the story out before they do.
No, this one was all about tearing down perceptions and whomever commissioned this report got what they paid for - negative iPod press. Statistics are most easily manipulated means to do this - cherry pick your sample, fudge your sample size, skew your questions in surveys, limit potential responses. Remember there's lies, damned lies and statistics...
Hmmmm... Now lets see who would benefit by tearing down iPod - Microsoft, Napster, Real, the record industry - the list is fairly short. Who has the sort of money to orchestrate a campaign like this - Microsoft and the recording industry. The list gets shorter. Heck, they might even be in it together... - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Well, except Forrester Research posted how their numbers/report was mis-reported by The Register and others.
- aecarol, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The scary thing is that he bases the 65% drop fact on on the shopping habits of 181 people. You can extrapolate quite a bit from the several thousands of people originally mentioned in these stories (assuming they are ACTUALLY random chosen). I'd hate to write iTunes off based on 181 people who were chosen in an unknown manner.
Taken directly from his blog...
"TIMK - The 65% decline in revenue was between January 2006 and June 2006. This decline is statistically significant, but is still based on a sample of 181 iTunes buyers. When we compare this to 2005 data, we see that revenues declined 39% from January 2005 to June 2005. Is 2006 worse than 2005? It's hard to say. However, the January 2005 revenue was a bit higher than the January 2006 revenue, and the June 2005 revenue was more than twice the June 2006 revenue. Our data suggests that the iTunes growth has slowed, though neither Josh nor I would say sales have "collapsed"." - klawz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8@gxcdesign - just like Winods vs Mac OSX or Linux, Windows is a household name, not going anywhere anytime soon. Same analogy for those who don't understand the iPod vs Zune analogy.
- doon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5If by "fankids", you mean stockholders or maybe clients, you might be right. I think they're back-pedaling from bad analysis. And the news from the Goldman-Sachs analysts, which is bound to call attention to Forrester's claims of doom for Apple. And I don't envision Goldman Sachs caving to the Apple fan boy contingent for PR purposes. On the other hand, Goldman did up their estimate of Apple's stock price to $110 a share for next year, in addition to increased earnings. It doesn't sound like a dying business model.
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4There was no reason for the report anyway. Sales peaked at the holiday season, after that they fell but now coming back to the holiday season they're starting to turn back upwards. *GASP* a pattern!
All they accomplioshed was stating the obvious. - DucksofAnaheim, on 10/12/2007, -10/+12And what is their definition of fine? Sounds like damage-control.
- necrisque, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes and no. It's true, it limits the user big time in terms of file format, compression, what the product can be used on, but some people would rather have that than get owned by an industry that likes suing its own followers because it's afraid of technological advancement. It provides the user with a sense of "legality" while the industry is whining and bitching about "losing sales due to piracy".
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6And Microsoft says Zune sales are fine. And Sony says PS3 sales are fine.
Seriously Cliffy, you are pathetic, but did you really think that a compnay saying their sales are fine was newsworthy?
Keep it up though! You are almost WINNING Digg! And when you do, yourreward will be.....a conitnued life of unwanted chastity and loneliness. - xoineg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2and paid for by zune...welcome to social...attacks
- DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8flag564:
Apple created a breach in the Microsoft empire, which is a good thing in my opinion.
MS now tries to seal that breach using the Zune. Apple fans don't think they'll succeed. There's no contradiction or double standard here, as OS X's success against Windows could be helped by the breach opened by the iPod.
You cannot separate the computer OS and digital music markets as two totally independent entities that you can compare side to side. They are different markets, and are interconnected, one actually being a subset of the other. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6http://digg.com/apple/Do_the_math_iTunes_sales_aren_t_collapsing_according_to_a_marketing_firm
I posted this a day ago, so they have some facts and figures to back Apple's claim. I guess I'm an Apple fanboy with a kickass business portfolio :) - m3mn0n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why does anyone ever believe stupid research companies like that?
They based their report on 2,000 credit cards?? How the hell is that even remotely accurate?
It doesn't matter if Apple is slightly slowing or if they're even or up, the real issue is how such a stupid survey gains such credible backing in our international media. - ArnoldTPants, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5If you buy DRM music from iTunes or any other online store you are an idiot.
- DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Please ban enuzruoydeef, he's a spammer, finding every occasions to spam his link.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13What is funny is that The Zune Marketplace isn't going anywhere, unless it's the punchline of a joke.
I don't want to sound like a fanboy or anything, but the iPod at this point is the household name and unstoppable...so no..there won't be an iPod killer - xoineg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1But Forrester has always been a company that does this. Basically, their reports are made to benefit the people that pays them... I think they based their conclusions on 2700 itunes customers...and they probably hand picked them. I hope they get so much negative PR they get hurt. Personally, i buy a lot of music on itunes. DRM or no DRM, i don't care cause everything sounds the same to me (at 22 my ears are fine...maybe those that like the higher bit rates have dog ears). Never had a problem with the itunes store even after switching from windows to mac. Everything still get authorized. I don't know about some people that are afraid of DRM, for regular people apple made it so simple you can't even feel it and at .99 is cheap. if you are a cheap dude then just use your favorite p2p and search for the right song and quality.
- DarthBibble, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8Silly claims? sounds like a kind of slanted headline to me.
- n00bst3r, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I believe his name is actually totorototoro
- doon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Somehow, I think Apple and iTunes will squeak by.
- aristotle0dude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Take a look at the Quarterly results under Music services related to the iPod for Quarter4 of 2006 and Quarter 2 of 2006 (started in January 2006) to see the numbers in dollar value. I doubt all that growth was from accessories.
The Forrester report is FUD. - hayden.evans, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yea because the zune is doing incredibly
/sarcasm - battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22000 is probably not enough to analyze weekly-fluctuating purchasing patterns - especially when those 2000 came from the same month! Generally, 6-10,000 samples are the norm and spread out over at least a year if not 18 months - again the norm when analyzing credit card sales alone. Bernoff should be ashamed.
- dagamer34, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2-_-
Because Apple makes SOO much money from iTunes sales in the first place. In fact, the only reason why the iTunes store truly exists is to lock you into using an iPod to play paid music on-the-go. And in reality, people buy iPods because of iTunes itself, not because of the iTunes store. - razorsharp, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4The Zune doesn't stand a chance against the iPod because it lacks Apple's patented scroll wheel. There are two things that make the iPod iPod: sleek design and intuitive interface. While Zune isn't ugly, comparing it to the iPod is like comparing a pretty girl that you know to a celebrity. You don't really notice the pretty girl's flaws until she's side by side with the celebrity, in which case she's negligible. Now I'm sure many would say you'd take personality over perfect looks, but taking the analogy one step further, the scroll wheel would be the personality (how you have to deal with said object). So here we have a gorgeous, perfectly proportioned girl with a great personality compared to a mega bitch that looks decent. Uh, no brainer there. (and we could take the analogy even further - the Zune has feature that you don't want/need - like a girl that has some really uninteresting hobby that she's really into).
Anyway, it's the iPod which drives iTunes and the iPod's interface is just too damn good to be replaced by a half assed "me too" product. I think your decline in iTunes sales are probably due to 1) the expansion of iTunes, more artists competing make it less likely that your songs will be downloaded or even previewed by users 2) the public's lack of interest in non-commercial music 3) the sorry state the music industry has been in even before iTunes existed.
Personally, I don't buy music on iTunes (hell, I don't buy music at all, I make it) but several of my employees who are in high school only buy music off iTunes (an these guys think Macs are crappy computers). But if you're not on the radio these kids won't download your music, they have no taste. If you wanna sell songs through iTunes the best thing you can do is put up a sign when you play live shows that says "BUY MY MUSIC ON iTUNES," but as the previous guy just stated, you'd probably be better off burning CDs and selling 'em for $5 a pop. - FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2to be more specific, apple's profit from music sales on itms (i don't know about the videos) is typically between 5-12%, but typically around 7.25% for most stuff. apple only needs to pay for hosting costs + some advertising (not often do you see itms ads outside of ipod ads).
their business model for itms is such that they don't rely on sales so much because their initial investment (hosting costs + licensing) isn't as much as you'd think. the record co's aren't going to fall for it twice, putting itms competitors in an even tougher spot. so it's itms or subscription if you want any value. but when one is ipod compatible (out of the box) and one isn't, then you're left with the inevitable conclusion.
MS just can't compete yet. who knows? maybe they'll actually pull an XBOX and kick ipod's ass. one thing is for sure: like ipod, the first iteration ain't going to cut it.
oh, and as for being "locked in", that's crap. itunes and ipod play VERY nicely with media acquired elsewhere, as long as it's in an iitunes-compatible format. - FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i'm a fan of Occam's razor (ie, the simplest explaination is usually the correct one).
regardless of zune, just because itunes's quarterly sales are not quite as much above projections as they have been in the past, people are concluding that they're in trouble?
i guess i just don't get it.
even if the zune was the shiz, it would take at least 6-9 months to create a solid competitive market force that could hope to affect apple's market share. it just doesn't make sense, - Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I agree...there's more shut ins that wish to drown out their mothers drunken screams than we care to admit.
- ronmexico, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Gee, you know so much about me.
- NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Ever heard of an agency called the Securities and Exchange Commission?
If Apple was losing money, you'll know it in January when the quarterly earnings report comes out.
-jcr - alternative724, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Bust a nut?
Sounds like what I was doing all over your mom last night.
Oh. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3In related news: "Zune sales are fine" -- Microsoft speaks against silly claims.
Come on, what do you expect Apple to say? - monergism, on 10/12/2007, -8/+8Of course, believe the PR group.
- hapax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@16x9
(Warning: meta-comment)
I just notice that you use "idiot" when actually he is more like being a troll. The troll who keeps subscribing to Celebrity news and making fun of the people there could actually be intelligently doing so. The troll can be very rational, he/she just has a different objective, as opposed to just learning new stuff.
Is this because we naively assume that people say bad things only because they don't know better (i.e. they are idiots?) Or is it because "idiot" is the natural insult to use in a geek crowd? - DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3"There has been a significant dropoff since about June."
This is not even what the original report claimed, so it's only "oddly similar" to your misinterpretation of the report, not to facts. - magic6435, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1because I'm sure if apple was losing money on the only thing they have going, they would tell us.....
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