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- dankoleary, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24So much for the claim that the ITMS was a failure eh?
- steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20@Andrew; Most people don't know that DRM in imposed, they don't care because they have no idea. They are the same people who don't realize the TV and Set-Top box are controlled with two different remotes, and the people who say there computer is slow just after they bought it when it's infected with spy/adware. Also they enjoy blaming you for all there computer problems after you fix it.
- Drealoth, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18...with no ethernet card. Even then though, it'd take a few days before anybody noticed.
- AndrewJC, on 10/12/2007, -10/+23@dt40:
Dude, just give it up already. Most people couldn't care less as long as they're allowed to listen to the music and burn it, which they are. MOST people don't need to give it to other people, which is about the only thing you can't do with iTMS songs. - bitt3n, on 10/12/2007, -10/+22maybe zune should put its store on a pentium 50 to get some positive buzz.
- Murdats, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14what were the words of that sony exec
(paraphrased:)"there is nothing wrong with installing rootkits on everyones computer because most people dont know what they are" - kent1146, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11"Wait until all those folks realize that they're buying DRM'ed music."
I hate DRM as much as the next geek. But the reality is that most people outside the hardcore tech community don't even know what DRM is, let alone care about it enough to be upset.
A great majority of these "folks" that you refer to won't even know the music they buy from iTunes is DRM'ed. They can do everything they want/need to do under fair use (transfer music to multiple computers / iPods they own, burn to CD, etc). Just about the only thing an average user CAN'T do is give their friends a copy of their music (which they don't have the right to do anyway).
I think the only thing that would give the majority of Apple customers the same anti-DRM attitude you share is when Apple / iPods are no longer the mainstream, and they want to switch their music player to the next best thing... but that isn't anywhere in the foreseeable future. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15You know, most people burn a copy of the cd they download, anyway. And even apple tells you how to get around their DRM.
I'd rather have something annoying than unusable. - cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9When Microsoft launched video downloads for the XBox 360 they had problems as well. Here on Digg the problem was lamented as a huge lapse in judgment by Microsoft. Funny, the same thing happens to iTunes and its hailed as a victory.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10of course it's music to their ears, why would it be anything else? the fact that millions of people were trying to use their store is ALWAYS a good thing
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17lol, did I just read people defending the tearing down of fair use rights?
People are forgetting the past days of music quicker than I believed. - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Hey everyone, there's plenty of unused bandwidth at the Zune Marketplace!
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(crickets chirping) - brob2234, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14@AndrewJC: you are right that they don't realize that they're buying DRM'ed music.
Until some later time when they decide that they want to play the music on a non-Apple music player.
@Lyph4: Burning to CD is (1) beyond the capabilities of most folks and (2) reduces the quality of the song when re-ripped to yet another lossy music format.
DRM'ed music: just say no. - brob2234, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5http://www.amazon.com, look in the Music section for "CDs"
It is a little less convenient at first to buy music on a CD, since you have to rip it. However, you get it without DRM in a high-quality encoding that you can convert to whatever you desire: MP3, WMA, etc. Plus, you get the "backup" copy for free, no need to go burn a CD copy. - chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7This article is pretty lame.
- Toast1185, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Naturally a slow server for Apple iTunes would be a great thing on here. When amazon's servers get slammed their a bunch of schmucks. Does Apple have to pay for this kind of spin or do people just love the pod that much?
- GALILEE77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I do the same. I have 5 mp3 players, and if the ipod wasn't one of them I wouldn't even have itunes on my computer. Unfortunately, as it is now, it is infinitely easier to use itunes to manage your ipod than it is to use another program- what I consider a product flaw, not an achievement (but to each their own).
- GALILEE77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4BIGW- some people (read: people who already own an ipod) may be excited about itunes "explosion," but people who are trying to get on for the first time and have little familiarity with itunes will think it's just another junky program being forced on them by the product manufacturer. I say this because I've seen it first hand: last Christmas my cousin got a nano as a gift. Even though I told him that itunes normally works much better he insisted on returning it for a different player the next day (by the way, he's really happy with his vision M, but that's not important to the story). To this day when I bring up the ipod he says something like "I guess it's nice if you feel like having itunes forced on you."
- VanDaniel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4What's a CD?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I only use iTunes to download album artwowrk, free stuff and podcasts. Wonder how many do the same...
BTW, would this happen to Zune Marketplace servers, they would be called incompetent, wouldn't them? - applebyte, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4lovely blog spam.
- melic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4The same thing happened last Christmas.
- BigW, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5To those who comment about DRM music.... get over it. Show me a site (that is not mp3.com, or some indie music site) that sells music without DRM. There just isn't one out there.
iTunes has DRM because the record companies want it. Its funny to watch the industry bitch and moan about iTunes market share and DRM. Hell Apple is getting sued to open up their DRM to their competitors so they can sell music for iPods. WTF??
Note to record companies: All the traffic that crashed Apples servers after Christmas can be yours, all you have to do is sell DRM free songs for 99 cents and you get it all. The RIAA is dumber than a single celled organism, but hey thats about right since they're a virus... - mrsteveman1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My main objection to DRM, the buy-type music stores are going to present a problem when companies decide to stop maintaining authorization servers for users that no longer provide income.
Vendor lock in is really the driving force behind DRM, vendors stand to gain much more with lock in than they could ever lose to copying. You own an iPod, only thing to use is iTunes, thats lock in, and your guaranteed to buy more apple products because otherwise even purchased music becomes worthless.
And to the few who say there are no DRM free music stores, look at eMusic. - jon61575, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It can happen to the best of sites/servers. I remember the Digg servers going down a few times.
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4"It's actually created more positive buzz among analysts — traffic was so great it blew up the site."
The "analysts" should realize this is never good news; it's merely a sign that Apple isn't expanding the capacity enough by using the revenue made. Would these analysts think the same if Google one day crashed and started mass-feeding its users with error messages and timeouts? Or a major web host suddenly starting to fall apart? The sad part is that a lack of money for an improved infrastructure is likely not an excuse for Apple here. - BigW, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Google's had big outages as well, and it hasn't hurt them either. It costs a lot of money to build out your infrastructure for spikes that are 10-100x your normal traffic.
Plus, the story is right, this is getting seen as rather good publicity as in, wow if there's this much traffic right after Christmas, exactly how many iPods did Apple sell??!! - flag564, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"But that has to be one of the lamest spin job ever. "OMG THE SITE WENT DOWN!!! YESSSSS"?? WTF???"
Lame and predictable. The sad thing is that they are some people that are such drones that they will try to run with this spin. - Shultzman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Dave 1021>> The back dating of stock options is NOT illegal. The problem was that the CFO did not make sure that they accounted for the transactions properly.
- sdbryan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Context is a wonderful thing that many people here could use. A non-responsive serve is never an optimum situation. It causes frustration that can lead to unfavorable reactions. It is possible that Apple had some returned iPods as a result. But the context is that iTMS is THE engine of commercial downloads and it has been scaling up successfully and regularly handles millions of transactions every day. Cumulatively it has handled well over a billion and is well on its way to its second billion. There had been some lame analysis that the iTMS was collapsing and speculation that the iPod phenomenon was fading. This Christmas season has led to surge of activity so large that it swamped an established large scale server.
It might also be worth noting that some of this traffic may have nothing to do with iTMS and everything to do with the continuing popularity of the iPod. One of my sons just got an iPod joining his two siblings who already had iPods (each selected and purchased an iPod, not gifts). So we have a lot of ripped music on our Macs and PCs. When he connected his iPod to iTunes on the PC to transfer some music the first thing that happened was that iTunes automatically connected to iTMS. This does not happen when you subsequently connect.
So whether or not one intends to purchase some DRMed tracks from iTMS the first connection always will take you to iTMS. It seems like Apple engineered their own denial of service attack on iTMS based on so many people connecting an iPod for the first time to iTunes. Assuming this correctly explains the server problem, does anyone think Apple wishes it did not force that initial connection to iTMS? - GonadHunter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"traffic was so great it blew up the site" since when has a code been explosive?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I should say ***lame hardware and software*** are the cause of the digg effect. Don't blame Santa for that. ;-)
- evolvedlight, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2http://www.duggmirror.com
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I, for one, welcome our new music overlords.
- wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Santa Claus has digg effect on iTunes?
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1iTunes is currently the best software for use with podcasts, but I'm constantly looking for alternatives. I'm a big fan of Democracy, but it just isn't as stable or usable as iTunes, not to mention the problems with quality. For some reason, I get some clipping on audio podcasts in Democracy that doesn't show up at all in iTunes, making my podcast listening much more enjoyable through iTunes than Democracy. Aside from that, I severely dislike iTunes.
Note: I do not and do not plan to ever own an iPod. - cypherz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Hmm. Seems the anti-Apple crowd is here.
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"BIGW- some people (read: people who already own an ipod) may be excited about itunes "explosion," but people who are trying to get on for the first time and have little familiarity with itunes will think it's just another junky program being forced on them by the product manufacturer."
That is an excellent point!
I wonder how high did BitTorrent traffic go up after people got tired of Apple's "cool" system snafu? - tmatyt95, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@moofer
Everyone has a right to their opinion. Unless you work for Apple, you too are in the dark as to what system they use. For all we know, they could be running the Itunes severs on Dell computers ;). - M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1allofmp3.com
- HomieG6189, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Let's hope something big happens at macworld.
- moofer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3You don't have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. My $20 says it was the big iron on the back-end that couldn't handle the millions of connections. You have hundreds of app servers and web servers hitting a single database. Where is your single point of failure? What one thing in that equation will effect every connection? I'm an IT person and I don't even remotely think that. The new Xserve is a monster for its size and I highly doubt it was the problem. You should leave the IT opinions to the IT people, and stick to the Mac and iPod opinions.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Dude, you zealots are much more anti-Apple than the "crowd", believe me.
- moofer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Please provide me the URL for your online music store, so I can run a load/capacity test on it.
- tmatyt95, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Sory if the comment above is strange. I thought once I had clicked the edit button, the 2 minute timer would freeze and so lost all the editing to the comment.
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Wow even shoddy service from Apple is being spun as a positive.
I've gone to many websites that were horridly slow. Does that mean they are having some positive buzz about how popular they are? Normally when this happens to other companies, it's said that their service is a piece of $hit. - Tivor, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3I'm a Mac user, and I love my Mac and my iPod.
But that has to be one of the lamest spin job ever. "OMG THE SITE WENT DOWN!!! YESSSSS"?? WTF???
OK, maybe music industry people are going, "wow, iTS is truly a success!!"
But I'm sure IT industry people are going, "hmm, those Xserves aren't that great, huh?" - moofer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0not buying music isn't hurting Apple all that much. It hurts the record companies more. The fact that you've installed iTunes and download and listen to podcasts implies you own/use an iPod, which is what Apple appreciates more. Keep using iTunes for those purposes, and you'll never hear any complaint from Apple.
- LoveRocket, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6Wow. Drink the Crystal light Andrew. DRM sux period. And yes, these people do not know what they are buying. They are being conned with techno babble. When the $2000 of music doesn't work anymore then we will see what happens. When they buy a Creative ZEN plus and they cannot load any of thier $2000 worth of music they will experience freedom the DRM way. No vaseline or crisco.
- dave1021, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4Maybe they should spend a little less time funneling money to their execs through illegal stock options and a little more time improving the iTunes site?
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