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- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -6/+31You people are just stupid. You're playing the catch up with your own cellphone! You can even put the ringtone you want on it. The iPhone is revolutionary I know, is ahead of the competition in several ways but that doesn't make it the 'best choice' out there. Dude, you can digg me down but is not right to lock a device in that way.
- skoles, on 10/10/2007, -0/+24Apple should just take the hint and quietly ignore that this is happening at all. Only geeks are going to do it and it's mostly them driving Apple to allow people to do more with the phone than they are offering.
I mean, in essence they are charging you TWICE for the full song, just now you're only allowed a 30sec clip of it. And that doesn't seem legal at all since you already own it. Does anyone know if you can go back to that ringtone and pick a new section to crop out or do you need to pay AGAIN for another 30 sec? - LSDigital, on 10/10/2007, -2/+22Oh yeah this is awesome, now i don't have to pay (again) for a song i already purchased.
- Jeffler, on 10/10/2007, -2/+21Who ever thought DRM would actually help us once in a while? Thanks to everyone figuring this stuff out, I don't have an iPhone but I know I'd be annoyed if I couldn't make my own ringtones on such an advanced phone. My Motorola v235 supports it (a $100 no contract POS), so its crazy the iPhone you have to pay to do it. But again, as long as we have people like this all is good!
- fascfoo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13YOU DONT HAVE TO UPDATE IF YOU DONT WANT TO.
Stop freaking out about 7.4.2 or 3 or 4 or 5....you don't have to update if you don't want to. get all the damn ringtones you could ever want and THEN upgrade. - HUKI365, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16There are different "copy" rights for songs. Music rights, lyrics rights, public performance rights, and "ringtone" rights.
Just because you own one right, doesn't mean you own the song.
Good or bad, that's the law. - allyant, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8What are you on about? Sony haven't given up on trying to stop homebrew.
- imkrazy182, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9that didn't take long lol
- easy4lif, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8guess, I better wait for itunes 7.4.2 to "fix" that issue, and 7.4.3 to fix "it" again, and 7.4.4 to fix it yet again.
- V3NOM, on 10/10/2007, -5/+12I can't wait for the release of iTunes 7.4.5 in a week or so.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Something tells me this is more of a restriction because of AT&T more than Apple... Apple also wanted DRM-free music, so why in the world would they be supporting this pay-per-ringone BS? Part of me thinks they purposfully added in this backdoor to free ringtones. But who knows, just a thought.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8God dammit Apple, you did good for once. Now, do better by not doing anything at all.
- MedHead, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7This reminds me a lot of SONY's actions with the PSP, making updates that were pretty much just made to break homebrew applications.
- leksdraven, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Well actually, there are no such things as "ringtone" rights. Creating a personal ringtone from music that you have purchased is considered legal as it is fair use of your license. DRM-ed music, on the other hand, is a different. I'm not giving legal advice, I'm just stating the truth.
EDIT: Whoops! I meant to reply to HUKI365. - joeycerone, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4thanks.
- Mejogid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I'm not sure what sort of restrictions you have in the US, but my last three phones have come with a data cable that allowed me to put any MP3 i wanted onto the phone and use it as my ringtone.
- joel8x, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4You have no business sense, do you? How is Apple supposed to keep the iTunes music store open is the record companies start pulling out because Apple is selling devices that violate their terms? The ringtone industry is a complete rip-off, and its just childish anyway - but its a huge money maker for the record companies. It sucks that idiots have been buying into the whole idea of paying a premium to hear a ***** quality snippet of a song on their phone, because these are the people that made this industry flourish and now we have to deal with it. I've got an idea - just use the default ringers and grow up, people.
- witcompe, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I do not understand why everyone is yelling about the iPhone ringtone price. $1.98 total is still less than I paid on Verizion or ATT, before I got an iPhone, for each ringtone. If you ask me, it is a good thing that you only have to pay $0.99. Would be awesome if I could just upload an MP3 ringtone, but if I have to pay for it, then I will not cry over $2 total.
- thespace2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4It looks like you had to have made the ringtone in 7.4 cause in 7.4.1 you can no longer create new ringtones using that method, it didn't work for me at least.
- DPimp1262, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Why can't apple just take sony's attempt at stopping people from hombrewing their psps and just give up? People want to use their iphones that they payed money in any way they want. I mean for christ sake I can put whatever ringtone I want on my samsung phone. Why is this such a big deal. Plus only the more techy people are going to make their own ringtones. The vast majority of the people are still going to buy them from the itunes store in the same way that they have been paying 2.50 for 30 second ringtones from other cariers.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Not everyone wants to hack/mod their iPhone just to get free ringtones on it.
- joel8x, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Because Motorola does not run the world's largest online music store and has nothing to loose.
- djdole, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Maybe I'm missing something, but I followed all the each and every step in this engadget article and the only thing it did was place the m4r files in the "Ringtones" directory which allowed them to be displayed in the ringtones tab.
But even there, AND selected to be synced, iTunes still wouldn't sync the re-renamed m4a files to my phone.
Just displaying them in iTunes doesn't help much, for me at least.
:-/ - EnterDaMatrix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I think he meant that Apple should stop acting like Sony. It was a weak attempt at an analogy.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5here come the apple apologists. when will they learn that it takes two to tango.
- Braxo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I think of it as paying for the service on making your own ringtones.
- alricsca, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3If this is true maybe people will finally wake to the effects of DRM and DMCA. I have always wondered why there was not outrage at making people pay again for a songs they already have just to here it as a ring tone. The more they actually start taking away features that people really used vs those that, contrary to their numbers, were never greatly used by the vast majority of people. Then maybe people will start to finally see. Hey maybe they will stop charging for e-mail and let your phone use your home network for free. LOL
- nytejade, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Apple hardware has its pros and cons, like anything else you buy. In my opinion the pros of the iPhone heavily outweigh the cons. Yes, Apple has a TON of fan boys. So does every other company. But calling all of us who've decided the pros outweigh the cons for a particular Apple product "stupid fanboys" makes you more ignorant and less informed than the average fan boy.
- LeonardNimrod, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3With carrier ringtiness commonly costing significantly more than $0.99, even on AT&T network, it's clear that Apple fought hard to get the pricing they did. They really don't think Apple wants to charge anything for ringtones and expect each version of iTunes Ringtones function to be easily breakable.
But what does it matter? There are a multitude of free apps that can edit audio out clips, and I expect there will be plenty freeware iTunes Ringtone editors that will mimic the iTunes GUI in the days and weeks to come. - clperez390, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2No, it is called monopolies.
- Angostura, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2So how come my old Motorola lets me use any MP3 as a ringtone?
- HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Actually they do allow custom ringtones, if you pay $0.99 a pop!
It's an issue with getting paid, not copyright. - joel8x, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2They are not able to ignore it if they want to keep all of the record companies happy - they have to prove that they are keeping their DRM working in order to honor their agreements. This is not Apple being dicks to make a buck - this is them appeasing to their business partners. Everyone who thinks Apple is trying to squeeze every last penny out of their customers is foolish - the reason other phone companies can make this feature freely available is because they are not running the world's largest online music store and have no worries about pissing off a record label.
- joel8x, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Since when did Motorola run the world's largest online music store? Oh they don't - so they have nothing to lose by offering that ability.
- joel8x, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2 While I agree with you 100%, how in the world would you be able to do that without anyone abusing it to use someone elses music. You can't. It sucks, but Apple is not in the position to do anything about it without pissing off the record companies.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1how about - check it yourself!
- clyde2801, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You guys paid 600 bucks for a freakin phone, and now yer bitchin about 99c ringtones???
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Seriously - having a 'ringtone' other than a simple 'ring ring' or even 'silent' is surely of interest only to kids. Grow up.
- zbeast, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1you don't have to use Itune to load ring tones on your phone.
You can be sure that there will be 1/2 dozen applications out there that will let you take your non drm'ed music and
make it into ring tones.
Just wait dont worry. - wevegotthejazz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1it's surprising how debates boil down to "well it's legal to do it so it's ok" so often
I don't think I saw anyone saying that what Apple is doing to lock down these phones should be made illegal, but we have the right to criticize them for doing so anyway
the law isn't supposed to lay the groundwork for morality in society and determine what's right and wrong, the law permits us to be the biggest belligerent ***** we can be and treat other with utter lack of humanity and respect, but it doesn't make it right.
most issues of right and wrong we deal with don't belong in a legal context. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1@ChzPlz: Right, but don't let you put the ringtone of songs you already own (not purchased on iTMS) or ringtones you've created on GarageBand...
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2The problem comes when I want to put my own stuff onto the ring tone. Suppose I want to put a clip of me play the drums or piano, why is apple stopping me from doing this.
- Bootes, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well there's no reason for them not to. There's no risk, there's nothing bad that can come from it.
- IsmailOo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1cant you just not update?
- ThreeDee912, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I think this is more of AT&T's fault. AT&T makes a lot of money by charging people for a ***** quality 30 second music clip. I think Apple left these ringtone workarounds in iTunes on purpose.
"It's not a bug, it's a feature"... - geost, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Does anyone know of a program I can use to crop aac songs? Does audacity read aacs?
- Angostura, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It is indeed capitalism. It is capitalism for people to factor in such a stupid policy when making their purchasing decision. I'm an unapologetic Apple fanboy. I have Mac and I'm agonising whether to upgrade my old iPod MIni to a new Nano or fork out for the Touch or wait for a 3G iPhone to come to Europe. However the ringtone malarky shows an absolute contempt for the customer. In the UK I'm used to simply piping an MP3 across into my phone and using it.
- lookoutforchris, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'm still on 7.4.0. All you have to do is get an AAC file (m4a extension), change the extension to m4r, and then copy the file to /Your Music Folder/Ringtones and if you have "sync all ringtone" checked it will sync any file in there. I've also found no limit for ringtone size, the largest ringtone I've synced is 9.5MB. Now that I have all the free ringtones that I want I'll upgrade to 7.4.1 and see what's up.
- joel8x, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1How do you suppose they tell the difference between your own ringtone or one that is copyrighted? It's just not possible. It has nothing to do with Apple getting paid - its with the record labels getting paid. If Apple wants to keep doing business with the record labels, they have to follow their rules.
- meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Except iPhone updates have so far not broken any mods to iPhones themselves and history says they wont start a war like that; the updates didn't even change the iPhone's default password and they never prevented iPod Linux or the AppleTV hacks despite numerous updates.
I doubt Apple care if you hack the iPhone to pieces; they sell more units. It's only the music industry and AT&T that lose out. -
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