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- holein1, on 10/10/2007, -10/+110Time for apple to get back to its roots
- fkr3, on 10/10/2007, -9/+66Making good looking products that are locked in as many ways as possible to their own product lines has always been their roots.
- Tehrab, on 10/10/2007, -7/+55Awesome!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+45gosh i miss that campaign.
- IchiroBoston, on 10/10/2007, -27/+68All this whining is so lame. Apple is a corporation! They exist to make money, if you don't like it don't buy it.
This new generation of entitled internet whiners are so annoying, if you "hack" something take responsibility for what you have done.
I am not specifically defending Apple, this is called the reality of business.
From a great movie, Joe Dirt :)
"It's a business. It ain't UNICEF." - Xabora, on 10/10/2007, -5/+34Users: No Unlock and No Apps Make Users something something.
Apple: Go Crazy?
Users: Don't mind if I do! - HerrEisenheim, on 10/10/2007, -1/+27Life, perhaps. Firmware, though, is less likely to evolve on its own.
The funny thing is that life breaks free and finds a way by having sex.
Firmware evolves through a bunch of people NOT having sex, possibly ever. - skoles, on 10/10/2007, -32/+51- Buy phone with no open 3rd party app support
- Force 3rd party apps onto phone through loophole
- Bitch when loophole is closed in an update
What the ***** are you people getting lost on? It's not like Apple broke something LEGITIMATE on the phone. It's stuff YOU installed by circumventing the systems setup. Had Apple allowed 3rd party apps on the phone from the start and then bricked them with this update THEN would you have something to complain about. But you hacked software to run on the phone when it wasn't intended to.
YOU GET NOTHING. GOOD DAY SIR! - cave, on 10/10/2007, -5/+20Don't mind if we do.
- kenvsryu, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a40BQ8ThsTc&eurl=
- skoles, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13I'm well aware of what the term means.
The hacks forced their way in through a loophole in the firmware. When that firmware was updated the hacks no longer worked, and as a side-effect caused the phone to become inoperable.
So please explain to me how you see Apple should be held accountable for this? Please be that voice for all the ***** that simply states why Apple is responsible for breaking phones with an update when they clearly said in the begining there would be no 3rd party apps. And then reinstated that fact before the update was released.
You don't think Apple had a few hacked phones themselves to see how it was being done? And when they had to update the phones they also tested it on the hacked ones to see the side-effect? Apple when out of its way to inform the small community of iphone hackers that their phones will probably be rendered useless from the update. You even had a choice to NOT update the phone and wait it out.
So again. How is this Apple's fault? - nkm82, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Check this amateur (guess) rework: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE857DJWX2w
- HerrEisenheim, on 10/10/2007, -4/+15Maybe they can go back to $4 a share too.
- jkoke, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Let me try to fix your broken analogy -- it's more like this. To install your custom air filter, you had to make some modifications to the engine block. Sometime later, your dealer sends you a package containing a new air filter from the manufacturer but it no longer fits because of the modifications you made. You could throw the package in the trash and keep your modified engine as-is. But if you install it anyway, and your engine fails, how is that possibly anyone's fault but your own?
- wolvin, on 10/10/2007, -5/+15Damn microwave won't play DVDs after the last update. I want my 79 bucks back.
- basye, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12Apple built their business on the crazy, thing-outside-the-box people.
Then they put on a suit and became like everybody else. - aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9...like not buying Apple's products? Or does that make too much sense?
- kenadak, on 10/10/2007, -6/+14To quote a mac Spokesman:
"John,(Steve, in this case) the kind of control you're attempting here is not possible. If there's one thing evolution has taught us it's that life will not be contained. Life breaks free; it expands into new territories, sometimes violently, even dangerously..." - aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Like fkr3 said, Apple has never allowed "freedom to innovate." They have always sold products designed to work only with their other products.
- AxeMAYHEM, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11I do think HerrEisenhiem has made a reasonable point even if a little harsh. If you bought an iPhone you bought into a closed platform (iPods are closed too) you agreed to have an iPhone, you agreed to Apples terms and conditions, you agreed to AT&T, you agreed to DRM, you agreed to non-self-changeable batteries, you agreed to everythang. I think Apple was very clear on what the JesusPhone would & wouldn't do from the beginning. I say grow up, or don't upgrade the newest firmware.
- superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10The phones are bricked because people modified the firmware, then tried to apply a firmware update from Apple on top of that. If I take out the engine in my car, replace it with a totally different one, and it goes back to the dealer for a recall, chances are that recal fix is not going to work.
Note that phones aren't even bricked anymore if you follow the hack status...
Hacks are great but people have to understand that hacked firmware is a choice of a different upgrade path than everyone else. There are rewards and there are downsides. - macslut, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Both of you are incorrect. The firmware didn't brick iPhones that were hacked for 3rd party apps. The firmware forced a restore and wiped out 3rd party hacks as well as closed the door to further hacking. The iPhone then works as any factory fresh iPhone. The only reports of bricks are coming from people who unlocked their iPhones for use with other carriers.
Apple publicly stated "no support for 3rd party apps" and "no intention to break 3rd party apps". However, they did specifically state that unlocking phones (for use with other carriers) could permanently damage the iPhone, and that they intended to engage in the "cat and mouse game". - shawnz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8that is going to make jobs wet himself
- kris33, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Brilliant!
- NSMike, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9Well, that's the only way Steve Jobs will stop being such a dick and actually try to PLEASE his customers again...
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6That 150 million was in non-voting stock which Microsoft sold at a tidy profit sometime later. It's amazing how people seem to cling to that "MS saved Apple with 150 million" myth for the last almost 10 years.
- Bartboy919, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9rAmen
- jasmus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5think-outside-the-box doesn't mean we-aren't-in-it-for-the-money
- albiniak, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Considering _everything_ runs as root, do you REALLY want open, untrusted, 3rd party apps? Ok, so the answer is still yes, but is it REALLY a good idea? DAMNIT. The answer is still yes.
- TeacherOfHeroes, on 10/10/2007, -8/+13It seems like Linux is taking the place of apple's traditionally claimed roots. The freedom to innovate is greater on linux than on windows or mac because its so open. There are now even linux-based alternatives to the iphone - Large touchscreen alternatives - that are completely open by design, allow 3rd party apps, and run on multiple hardware platforms. http://www.openmoko.org
On Linux, you can do whatever you want, whenever you want, however you want. Have an itch? Theres a programme for that. Theres not? Scratch it yourself, its easy. So many alternatives within easy reach, its hard not to appreciate it. - superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Lots of people are, it's called hacking, and it works great. It's just that you can't have your cake and eat it too, if you unlock or hack a phone you simple cannot expect it to work the second Apple releases an update.
- Terc, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6iAmen!
- leunghoi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Beyond 3rd party apps, it's about using iPhone on the T-mobile network. Apple has a deal with AT&T. Apple gets a cut on every AT&T contract. This hurts more to AT&T than to Apple. However, in a long run, Apple might not be able to get a deal like that anymore. Of course, I am all for the separation between the phones and the service providers.
- Nick519, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6thank you for the simpsons ref!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9And BEG to Bill Gates for help when the company was sinking...
- meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Stop spreading that crap like it's fact. The Apple-MS deal was done as a sign of good faith that MS would continue developing Office for the Mac, as part of a patent cross-licensing deal which would stop Apple suing the crap out of MS, and the $150 million was ***** all considering that Apple had somewhere between $3billion and $4billion in the bank.
It didn't come close to saving Apple as Apple weren't close to sinking. - mingistech, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5If you want your 3rd party apps back just downgrade the firmware.... it works like a charm.
http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/index.php/Downgra ... - Elranzer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Oh, that lame amateur iMovie-plugin spectacular that just narrates the narration? Pass. The parody with OJ Simpson and Rodney King was more impressive.
- streak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4It does take a certain amount of genius to program for the iPhone, particularly when no SDK is available, and the developers certainly are misfits in Apple's eyes! I also believe there was more creativity and effort put into the video than you probably realize.
- nerd05, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9Then Maybe it's time to quit complacently accepting things like this as "the reality of business" and actually start doing something about it.
- kronix2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3So should Apple close down third-party development for OSX as well?
- jbond, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The problem here is not that people hacked a closed device and the manufacturer applied an update that stopped the hacks. The problem is that it's a closed device.
Question: Would Apple make more or less money from the iPhone if it had an officially supported API, SDK and Toolchain? - TomFrost, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Let's not confuse "young" with "poorly written". Some of the third party iPhone apps are really solid programs -- Colloquy IRC Client, for example -- it doesn't parse slash-commands yet, but that's because it's a young program. The application that IS there and written is done incredibly well. Apollo IM-- no sound support, but that has nothing to do with being "poorly written" -- because the software is still incredibly stable and featureful.
Look, I can understand the whole "hater" mentality and all of that stuff the "shut the ***** up about the iPhone" crowd does for fun-- whatever, that's your thing. But don't insult good coders who are pioneering the opening of a platform with a lot of potential. If you have any appreciation for technology at all, you can appreciate what these guys are doing. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Why stop it?
Well as apple gets a sizable chunk of all the AT&T subscriptions for the iPhone the answer is VERY simple.
SKYPE!! - Elranzer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Too bad for Apple that this time around, Bill Gates has retired from Microsoft. I doubt that Ballmer holds a place dear to his heart for Apple that Bill did.
- DavX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Verizon? I think you mean AT&T.
- alexanderdietz, on 10/10/2007, -2/+51. I'm sure the creator(s) of this video could have found some relevant shots other than scrolling through a list of apps.
2. The original ad compared Apple, a computer company, to people like Martin Luther King, Jr. and Albert Einstein, and that was a far enough stretch. Do you seriously expect me to think of widget developers as comparable to heroes and geniuses? - arcticblue, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4You do realize that you can put third party apps on pretty much every other phone right?
- joel8x, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Apple has an exclusive contract with AT&T, if they did break the hacks then they would be breaking their contract. Sure they did not have to brick the phones in the process, but they did warn everybody first. If you installed the update and bricked your phone, you are an idiot. If the iPhone did not offer the features you wanted, why buy it in the first place? I'm sure future iPhone models will have much more functionality and when they open up to other carriers, then you will see the platform open up a bit. Until then, you are at Apple & AT&T's mercy. I for one will not be persuaded by any device to use AT&T, I don't care how great the device is, its only as useful as the network it runs on.
- Orion682, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Funny, last I checked, apple didn't have to support any third party apps, let alone an SDK for them. If a user installs a 3rd party app, that's their responsibility. And fyi, those "crappy hacked programs" you speak of often turn out better than the proprietary crap that vendors serve you. The initial releases tend to be rough but they flesh out brilliantly over the course of a few months thanks to user feedback.
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