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engadget.com — A lot of people out there aren't too happy with Apple right now. Some of them express their displeasure with expletive-filled tirades in the comments section of any pertinent blog post they can find. Other, arguably more creative folks use the popular medium of the day to make the object of their frustration appear foolish and hypocritical in an en

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  • Tehrab, on 10/10/2007, -7/+56Awesome!
  • holein1, on 10/10/2007, -10/+111Time for apple to get back to its roots
    • fkr3, on 10/10/2007, -9/+67Making good looking products that are locked in as many ways as possible to their own product lines has always been their roots.
    • HerrEisenheim, on 10/10/2007, -17/+10It's roots? You mean it should go back to PowerPC, discontinue the iPod, and stop making money?
      • NSMike, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9Well, that's the only way Steve Jobs will stop being such a dick and actually try to PLEASE his customers again...
        • HerrEisenheim, on 10/10/2007, -4/+15Maybe they can go back to $4 a share too.
      • rpgmaker, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9And BEG to Bill Gates for help when the company was sinking...
        • Elranzer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Too bad for Apple that this time around, Bill Gates has retired from Microsoft. I doubt that Ballmer holds a place dear to his heart for Apple that Bill did.
        • meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Stop spreading that crap like it's fact. The Apple-MS deal was done as a sign of good faith that MS would continue developing Office for the Mac, as part of a patent cross-licensing deal which would stop Apple suing the crap out of MS, and the $150 million was ***** all considering that Apple had somewhere between $3billion and $4billion in the bank.

          It didn't come close to saving Apple as Apple weren't close to sinking.
          • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6That 150 million was in non-voting stock which Microsoft sold at a tidy profit sometime later. It's amazing how people seem to cling to that "MS saved Apple with 150 million" myth for the last almost 10 years.
          • rpgmaker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Apple weren't close to sink? I wouldn't call success a stock with a value under 5 bucks.
            MS helped Apple to avoid the monopolistic position that they would gain if Apple filled bankruptcy, there's no other 'real' reason. And talking all that BS you just make yourself look like a fanboy.
    • TeacherOfHeroes, on 10/10/2007, -8/+13It seems like Linux is taking the place of apple's traditionally claimed roots. The freedom to innovate is greater on linux than on windows or mac because its so open. There are now even linux-based alternatives to the iphone - Large touchscreen alternatives - that are completely open by design, allow 3rd party apps, and run on multiple hardware platforms. http://www.openmoko.org
      On Linux, you can do whatever you want, whenever you want, however you want. Have an itch? Theres a programme for that. Theres not? Scratch it yourself, its easy. So many alternatives within easy reach, its hard not to appreciate it.
      • aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Like fkr3 said, Apple has never allowed "freedom to innovate." They have always sold products designed to work only with their other products.
    • winnch, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3Apple's roots nearly put them out of business. Apple is one, if not THE, best run technology company in the world and now one of the strongest global brands. I think Steve Jobs and Co. probably do not need your business advice.
    • akhomerun, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2I don't think these protesters understand how difficult it is to create and support a full SDK for a brand new platform like this.

      The iPhone runs Apple's bleeding edge code, and transforming Mac OS X to a mobile platform is very new to Apple and the iPhone software is very immature. Releasing and supporting an SDK is difficult, so much so in this case that I think Apple would fall behind if they did release one. At the least, it's more than just saying "okay, you can make applications."

      As someone who isn't willing to screw up their expensive electronics just to install a crappy hacked program, I'd say that Apple sides with me and doesn't think spending the extra time and money to release a full SDK that opens up the iPhone to applications that could slow down or crash the OS is really worth it when web applications make the cut for most people.
      • Orion682, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Funny, last I checked, apple didn't have to support any third party apps, let alone an SDK for them. If a user installs a 3rd party app, that's their responsibility. And fyi, those "crappy hacked programs" you speak of often turn out better than the proprietary crap that vendors serve you. The initial releases tend to be rough but they flesh out brilliantly over the course of a few months thanks to user feedback.
        • sholt, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Well, they get "fleshed out" or go down the rosy path of feature bloat.

          And feature bloat is the #1 thing you want to avoid on a mobile device (bigger code size = more CPU use = less battery time). It's possible to avoid, of course, but you need a *very* focused developer community.
          • Orion682, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Well it depends. Personally I wish every community were like the PSP hacking community. The accomplishments and high quality work they've churned out, all the while combating Sony's draconian lock-outs and threats, are very impressive, and I'd hoped that the iPhone, and other similar smartphones would garner a community as dedicated or as talented as them (hell, the Pandora project, which turned a regular PSP battery into an un-bricking hack is nothing short of extraordinary).
  • TomPlansMedia, on 10/10/2007, -2/+46gosh i miss that campaign.
  • kenvsryu, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a40BQ8ThsTc&eurl=
  • HerrEisenheim, on 10/10/2007, -53/+16Oh, shut the ***** up about the iPhone already. A bunch of poorly written applications stop working if you upgrade your firmware. It will be working again in 30 days. Stop your crying already. There's grand total of maybe 10,000 of you, and Apple doesn't care about you. They are printing money because of the other 990,000+ people who don't care about iPhone hacking and are buying ringtones and DRM-laden songs from the iTunes WiFi store by the dozen.

    COMMENCE BURY NOW.
    • cave, on 10/10/2007, -5/+20Don't mind if we do.
      • jaisin, on 10/10/2007, -8/+4I agree with him. 3rd party apps would be nice, but it doesn't really matter. I just use it mostly as a phone and media player like the majority of people who bought it.
        • cave, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Me too. Except that I live in Brazil, so unfortunately I can't sign with at&t. :/
    • AxeMAYHEM, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11I do think HerrEisenhiem has made a reasonable point even if a little harsh. If you bought an iPhone you bought into a closed platform (iPods are closed too) you agreed to have an iPhone, you agreed to Apples terms and conditions, you agreed to AT&T, you agreed to DRM, you agreed to non-self-changeable batteries, you agreed to everythang. I think Apple was very clear on what the JesusPhone would & wouldn't do from the beginning. I say grow up, or don't upgrade the newest firmware.
      • HerrEisenheim, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5You aren't even forced to upgrade. It's completely optional. There's a big fat bold disclaimer when you are about to upgrade that tells you that it will render your phone fubar if you have 3rd party apps installed, and yet people STILL do it.
    • TomFrost, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Let's not confuse "young" with "poorly written". Some of the third party iPhone apps are really solid programs -- Colloquy IRC Client, for example -- it doesn't parse slash-commands yet, but that's because it's a young program. The application that IS there and written is done incredibly well. Apollo IM-- no sound support, but that has nothing to do with being "poorly written" -- because the software is still incredibly stable and featureful.
      Look, I can understand the whole "hater" mentality and all of that stuff the "shut the ***** up about the iPhone" crowd does for fun-- whatever, that's your thing. But don't insult good coders who are pioneering the opening of a platform with a lot of potential. If you have any appreciation for technology at all, you can appreciate what these guys are doing.
      • hotdamn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Apollo IM - beautiful, yes. Stable, the ***** no.
    • potp, on 10/10/2007, -5/+2In Soviet Russia Steve Job Sucks you off.
  • dacapoalfine, on 10/10/2007, -14/+2dis movie's tight
  • IchiroBoston, on 10/10/2007, -27/+68All this whining is so lame. Apple is a corporation! They exist to make money, if you don't like it don't buy it.
    This new generation of entitled internet whiners are so annoying, if you "hack" something take responsibility for what you have done.
    I am not specifically defending Apple, this is called the reality of business.

    From a great movie, Joe Dirt :)
    "It's a business. It ain't UNICEF."
    • ghostfish, on 10/10/2007, -10/+8The issue is that hacked iPhones don't cost Apple a dime and actually probably drive sales, so why stop it?
      • Atomic1fire, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3exactly
        why not just make third party apps something official
        and host a area to get them
        or heck make some kind of certified software distributing license
        like Apple Certified Software Distributers
        a license that allows people to distribute iphone and ipodtouch apps
      • zybch, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Why stop it?
        Well as apple gets a sizable chunk of all the AT&T subscriptions for the iPhone the answer is VERY simple.

        SKYPE!!
        • themouth, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1It's pretty doubtful that Apple makes a dime off of the AT&T subscriptions. More than likely, in order to met a contractual obligation that allowed Apple to release the iPhone on the AT&T wireless network, Apple must prevent usage that could be damaging to AT&T's profits. The ringtones announcement is an obvious example. If Apple allows you to play any format of songs on your ipod/iphone, then why would they care if you use their specific format of file for a ring tone? The only logical explanation is that AT&T is leveraging them into it. However it seems at every step of the way that Apple's attempts to lock the iphone have been either faulty or intentionally half-hearted. They're not stupid, they'll do the minimum that AT&T requires them to, my guess is once it's only "hackers" that can mod their iphones, AT&T will be happy.
        • akhomerun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1where's your info from? most reports have been talking about apple receiving about $10/month from iphone subscribers.
      • martalli, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I guess they are afraid third party apps will break functionality on the iphone and bring all their whiny, litigious customers to the courts seeking redress on electronic gizmos they would otherwise only keep for a year or two.
    • nerd05, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9Then Maybe it's time to quit complacently accepting things like this as "the reality of business" and actually start doing something about it.
      • aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9...like not buying Apple's products? Or does that make too much sense?
      • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Lots of people are, it's called hacking, and it works great. It's just that you can't have your cake and eat it too, if you unlock or hack a phone you simple cannot expect it to work the second Apple releases an update.
    • kris33, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4I don't exactly think that Apple will lose money if they support third party applications for the iPhone.
      • Atomic1fire, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2exactly
        Att/apple could fund a repository of safe third party apps and take suggestions on wanted apps (such as chat ect)
        and then that would drive sales for the iphone
        and if they want more money
        stick some ads on it
      • zybch, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2SKYPE SKYPE SKYPE
      • leunghoi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Beyond 3rd party apps, it's about using iPhone on the T-mobile network. Apple has a deal with AT&T. Apple gets a cut on every AT&T contract. This hurts more to AT&T than to Apple. However, in a long run, Apple might not be able to get a deal like that anymore. Of course, I am all for the separation between the phones and the service providers.
      • jasmus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Can you imagine the thousands of support calls a day they would recieve because some developer was too lazy to code properly and his application keeps freezing on the iphone? It's a lot easier to support something when you know what it's running.
        • kronix2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3So should Apple close down third-party development for OSX as well?
    • leunghoi, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4Well, Apple is a corporation, but it can't exist without people buying its products. Verizon can pull what it wants because of its monopolistic position, Apple can't. Think about how many phone makers are out there. They will catch up with Apple (at least I hope). Also, while iPhone is a nice phone, it is $399 with a 2-year contract (and it doesn't work on my vista x64). The only real monopoly Apple has is iPod and that market is saturated.
      What angers me the most is that Apple has been appealing to its fan boys and than betray them when they cost Apple profit.
      I don't own an iPod or a Mac. I have been happy to see Apple's return as a possible competitor to Windows. Yet, the whole iPhone ideal make Apple looks just like Microsoft.
      • DavX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Verizon? I think you mean AT&T.
        • leunghoi, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I did meant Verizon. I was looking for a monopolistic company. This company owns the telecommunication infrastructures of our country. It provide high speed internet services that does not live up to its claims. Yet, it dominates that market. It spies on our calls for our government but we can't stop using it, because there is no other choice.
    • streak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yes, if you don't like it, don't buy it... and feel free to tell the world why you feel like a schmuck for having bought it.
    • durangotang, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4I disagree with this philosophy entirely. "They are a corporation, they can do whatever they want, and you're not entitled to complain. They exist to make money." Blah, Blah, Blah.

      Doing the right thing and making money aren't mutually exclusive. It's sad that you think so.
    • nekaidesigns, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Business advice is generally best followed by a joe dirt quote, thank you.
      I wish that "don't rock the boat" people like you didn't benefit from the efforts of us "whiners."
    • zeiben, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1So good to see that Apple is finally hiring people to defend them on the forums. It's like when Anakin finally threw Mace out the Windu - I was so tired of waiting for that journey to the dark side to be complete.
  • kenadak, on 10/10/2007, -6/+14To quote a mac Spokesman:
    "John,(Steve, in this case) the kind of control you're attempting here is not possible. If there's one thing evolution has taught us it's that life will not be contained. Life breaks free; it expands into new territories, sometimes violently, even dangerously..."
    • HerrEisenheim, on 10/10/2007, -1/+27Life, perhaps. Firmware, though, is less likely to evolve on its own.
      The funny thing is that life breaks free and finds a way by having sex.
      Firmware evolves through a bunch of people NOT having sex, possibly ever.
      • akhomerun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1i think this is the comment of the year.
    • w21irving, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Dugg for JP reference!! i thought that movie's quotable usage has long since been extinct...
      • dafragsta, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"Eventually, you do plan to have dinosaurs on your dinosaur tour, right?"

        I use that one all the time.

        And let's not forget. "That's one big pile of *****."
  • skoles, on 10/10/2007, -32/+51- Buy phone with no open 3rd party app support
    - Force 3rd party apps onto phone through loophole
    - Bitch when loophole is closed in an update

    What the ***** are you people getting lost on? It's not like Apple broke something LEGITIMATE on the phone. It's stuff YOU installed by circumventing the systems setup. Had Apple allowed 3rd party apps on the phone from the start and then bricked them with this update THEN would you have something to complain about. But you hacked software to run on the phone when it wasn't intended to.

    YOU GET NOTHING. GOOD DAY SIR!
    • pnmoore, on 10/10/2007, -10/+3Excuse me, but maybe you don't know what brick means. They made EVERYTHING on the iPhone stop working in the update, not just the ILLEGITIMATE stuff...so my friend, they did indeed break "something LEGITIMATE on the phone"
      I agree people should stop whining, they should have known the risk when hacking their device (this situation is ALWAYS a possibility when hacking something), but your post is a little misleading/misinformed.
      • skoles, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13I'm well aware of what the term means.

        The hacks forced their way in through a loophole in the firmware. When that firmware was updated the hacks no longer worked, and as a side-effect caused the phone to become inoperable.

        So please explain to me how you see Apple should be held accountable for this? Please be that voice for all the ***** that simply states why Apple is responsible for breaking phones with an update when they clearly said in the begining there would be no 3rd party apps. And then reinstated that fact before the update was released.

        You don't think Apple had a few hacked phones themselves to see how it was being done? And when they had to update the phones they also tested it on the hacked ones to see the side-effect? Apple when out of its way to inform the small community of iphone hackers that their phones will probably be rendered useless from the update. You even had a choice to NOT update the phone and wait it out.

        So again. How is this Apple's fault?
        • Double0Doug, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I buy a new truck
          I take said new truck to a third party to have a tow hitch installed
          A few months later I return to the dealership for scheduled maintenance. While the truck is in the shop, the dealership decides to cut off my tow hitch because it was an after market modification that they didn’t support.

          Since when did purchasing a product allow the manufacturer of the product to retain the right to decide what I do with or how I use my property?

          I realize that contracts were signed and rights given away for these individuals to have the honor of “owning” an Iphone, but I am absolutely appalled at the slippery slope we seem to be headed down.

          I own a cell phone, a regular old cell phone. It doesn’t do email, it doesn’t do internet. I even refuse to pay extra so I can have crippled Blue Tooth capabilities. I want all these features, but I am not willing to put up with the constant battle over getting it.

          I for one am encouraged to see people sticking up for themselves. I am glad these people are stretching the bounds of technology.
          • bradleyland, on 10/17/2007, -1/+2Your analogy sucks. When you buy a truck there are no terms and conditions that say you can't add a hitch.

            Want a good car analogy? Ask one of the many people who have flashed the ECU (engine control unit?) with an aftermarket program, only to take it to the dealer for service and have it re-flashed with factory firmware. Most aftermarket chip tuners even have a plan in place to re-flash your chip if this happens.

            Additionally, flashing your ECU can void your warranty if the failure can be linked to the alteration. Let's say the engine experiences detonation due to excessive spark advance and cracks a ring or a piston. You're liable.

            This is not unlike the iPhone issue. People who altered their firmware made a change to the phone that Apple stated they would not support. Why would they support it? It's not their software you've installed, and you agreed not the ***** with the phone when you bought it.

            The only case you can make is that you WANT to be able to alter your phone's software. Ok. You've expressed your wishes. You are not entitled to anything. Go buy an OpenMoko based phone and vote with your wallet.
        • scoot2006, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1***** lack of cancel button...
      • macslut, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Both of you are incorrect. The firmware didn't brick iPhones that were hacked for 3rd party apps. The firmware forced a restore and wiped out 3rd party hacks as well as closed the door to further hacking. The iPhone then works as any factory fresh iPhone. The only reports of bricks are coming from people who unlocked their iPhones for use with other carriers.

        Apple publicly stated "no support for 3rd party apps" and "no intention to break 3rd party apps". However, they did specifically state that unlocking phones (for use with other carriers) could permanently damage the iPhone, and that they intended to engage in the "cat and mouse game".
    • mathcreative, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4they hack to compliment the device, and the show apple, that they way they are thinking is wrong
    • kronix2, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Americans are entitled to unlock their phones under provisions in the DMCA. Apple is actively screwing with unlocked iPhones (yes, I don't buy the ***** about them "accidentally" bricking units) in order to protect its revenue stream despite unlocking being completely legal.
      • akhomerun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1what apple's doing is also not illegal, either. they are not preventing you from unlocking it. if you are fine with the 1.02 firmware, you can have an unlocked iphone forever.

        this practice is not uncommon to the cell phone industry. it's unfortunate, but it's also the only way apple could ever get a device as fair as the iphone on the cell phone market.
    • bbqribs, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0You forgot to mention that Apple also warned people very very loudly about this.
  • ibone, on 10/10/2007, -13/+5Apple has lost all my respect. They HAD a good thing going with the iPhone. Now it is a piece of *****.
    • Nick519, on 10/10/2007, -7/+4you lost me. my iphone still seems to be a good thing...
  • amfantasy, on 10/10/2007, -9/+4Iphone is a nice product, but why can't I right my own apps. On another note has anyone made a super nintendo app for the iphone? since the dreamcast I've had this unnatural need to run super nintendo on all of my devices
    • habbofresh, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1uh, yeah. that was Apple's promise about the product.

      try again.
    • jkoke, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Well since you can't actually "right" an English sentence, I'm not sure how you would "right" your own apps.
    • Gabberwok, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'm sure someone in an IRC forum would be happy to write one for you, that will also secretly make charges to your account.
  • ruddy, on 10/10/2007, -15/+9steve jobs blows. Steve Wozniak was the *****, and steve jobs will always just be a salesman. thats all he is, a sales man. Someone needs to take all of Job's money, and throw it in the gates and melinda fund, and show Jobs where he came from. now he's some fagot money grubbing whore that will blow a dick for a dollar. it's interesting to see people go from one end of the financial spectrum to the other.
    • wildmannz, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2When you have started a company that grows to the size of Apple - and are responsible for the successful products it developed - THAT would give you the right to make comments. Until then - STFU.
      If you still don't get my point - Steve Jobs is smarter than you. Proof in the results.
    • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1"it's interesting to see people go from one end of the financial spectrum to the other."

      Well not really, unless of course you're always going to be poor like you ruddy
  • Xabora, on 10/10/2007, -5/+34Users: No Unlock and No Apps Make Users something something.
    Apple: Go Crazy?
    Users: Don't mind if I do!
  • kris33, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Brilliant!
  • mrmacky, on 10/10/2007, -7/+9The thing is people want to much from the iPhone.

    It is a /phone/, it was not designed to, nor intended to be the next Newton. It is not meant to have all your apps it is meant to have a very strict feature set.

    Although, I will admit, in todays world, with the current generation, Apple can't honestly expect to win in a hardware-locking war, so they should just give up and make everybody happy.
    • dlsspy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You're sort of right. The problem is that it's *capable* of so much more. It's been demonstrated. People did it not only for free, but at a high potential personal cost.

      People are basically trying to tell Apple that they like what its product does, but also like what it *can* do, and want the non-technical barriers lifted.
    • arcticblue, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4You do realize that you can put third party apps on pretty much every other phone right?
  • LeeSoong, on 10/10/2007, -12/+6the iphone is a crippled piece of trash. it has no memory card slot, a go-dead non-removable battery, no video, 2mp low-rez camera, no video output- so you can't watch movies stored on it - on a tv, no voice dialing, no hands free operation, no self made ring tones, no accessories like the ipod, no flexibility in choosing you cell phone carrier, and draconian customer service that tells you to take it and shut up.

    apple dropped the ball again, with this closed system that can't play most videos [like real video], can't run 3rd party software, can't run real sun java applets, and basically insults the customer every step of the way.

    ha, the iphone makes the Microsoft zune look great in comparison.

    vr. 1.0 always sucks, but apple's closed door - 'we'll tell you what you want' policy of customer abuse makes a nightmare out of small technical challenges. i hope they turn around...

    nokia n95 - wow, there is one amazing machine-

    http://www.nseries.com/index.html
    • jaisin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I learned my lesson last time by buying the N80. I got tricked into buying because of the spec sheet, but the phone was a bore to use. I don't miss its memory card slot, 3mp camera, or ability to use ringtones. The only thing I do miss is the video, but o well.
    • aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Typing like an 8th grader makes you cool.
  • cbabraham, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4So who knows steve's email? he should see this.
  • woudstock, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2The message was clear from the start ...
    http://media.arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits.media/t ... (1/20/07)
  • funkspiel, on 10/10/2007, -13/+7iSheep baaaaaaaaaaa
    • zybch, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Getting ready to bend over for the iFarmer doing his Job.
  • basye, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12Apple built their business on the crazy, thing-outside-the-box people.
    Then they put on a suit and became like everybody else.
    • jasmus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5think-outside-the-box doesn't mean we-aren't-in-it-for-the-money
  • shawnz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8that is going to make jobs wet himself
  • LoudMusic, on 10/10/2007, -6/+9People are complaining for getting exactly what they paid for? The world can not be pleased.
  • hoodedrobin, on 10/10/2007, -9/+10Hey I'm all for hacking... But this is apple... This is what they do, and if you have't seen this coming ***** shame on your dumbass.

    Hey why doesn't apple sell their OS... Why its cause they are greedy *****. Support more opensource software and these business methods will change.
    • suppaibeg, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3waiaminute.. NOT selling something == greedy *****?

      All I can say is thank god I'm not one of those crazy "everything must be free and opensource" psychos. Too much of that stuff seems to really mess with your brain...
    • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Apple DOES sell their OS. Walk into any Apple Store or retail store that sells Apple products and there it is! You don't even have to promise it will go onto a Mac.
  • wolvin, on 10/10/2007, -5/+15Damn microwave won't play DVDs after the last update. I want my 79 bucks back.
  • willdonovan, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4peace to all the normal people
  • Bartboy919, on 10/10/2007, -7/+5Well, it seems that apple is starting to get what it deserves, backlash for ***** decisions about their products.
    • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Right. Because up to now so many posters on digg and elsewhere have been models of restraint.
  • helloian, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3Oh Snap!

    -Ian
  • Gndoab, on 10/10/2007, -7/+6The problem with the bricked iPhones, is that they belong to the consumer.
    If they were on rent, then I could see apple wanting to maintain some kind of lock down over how it can be used.

    But they aren't. The phone is not IP either...imagine buying a car, and installing a custom air filter on it...then you take the car to the dealship and have it serviced, and the place deliberately destroys it. No more car for you. nobody would stand for this with any other kind of product, so why is it permissible with tech stuff?
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10The phones are bricked because people modified the firmware, then tried to apply a firmware update from Apple on top of that. If I take out the engine in my car, replace it with a totally different one, and it goes back to the dealer for a recall, chances are that recal fix is not going to work.

      Note that phones aren't even bricked anymore if you follow the hack status...

      Hacks are great but people have to understand that hacked firmware is a choice of a different upgrade path than everyone else. There are rewards and there are downsides.
    • jkoke, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Let me try to fix your broken analogy -- it's more like this. To install your custom air filter, you had to make some modifications to the engine block. Sometime later, your dealer sends you a package containing a new air filter from the manufacturer but it no longer fits because of the modifications you made. You could throw the package in the trash and keep your modified engine as-is. But if you install it anyway, and your engine fails, how is that possibly anyone's fault but your own?
  • Vector713, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Awwwww!
  • albiniak, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Considering _everything_ runs as root, do you REALLY want open, untrusted, 3rd party apps? Ok, so the answer is still yes, but is it REALLY a good idea? DAMNIT. The answer is still yes.
  • pilar875, on 10/10/2007, -8/+0Good. We need to protest! Apple is a lot worse then Microsoft. The iPhone is nothing without third party apps! Im selling my iPhone if they don't allow it soon.
  • dm33, on 10/10/2007, -7/+7I'm usually an Apple fan but I have to agree.
    Apple KNEW that it was going to brick phones. There should not be a technical reason why the update could not have been a complete clean refresh which put the phone back in its original state + update.
    Its inexcusable to have a device which is bricked by applying the manufacturers authorized update.
    This is yet another bad PR move from Apple.
    People do not like having artificial restrictions placed on things they've purchased. Thats why DRM has failed. I bought music, I want to listen to it when and where I choose, not based on some complex DRM restrictions. Same with DVDs. Limiting to regions, no copying onto hard drive... it does not seem right to people and they will resist.
    This is like buying a sealed PC pre-installed with Mac OS X and some applications. If you try to install another application, next OS update makes your PC unusable? Can that be? Would anyone expect this behavior? Would anyone be interested in buying a PC which only ran 10 apps and you're never allowed to install another application on it even though its more than capable of running many apps?
  • S1ngular1ty1, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5We are talking about a phone people, not a technological revolution.
    • ffleming, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Right, but it was marketed as a technical revolution. Now people want what they paid for. Personally, I'm waiting and hoping that Apple eventually allows third party apps.
  • rajid, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1That's really exceptional! It needs to be on TV, but there's just no way. It *needs* to be an Apple commercial, *that's* what it needs!
  • joel8x, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Apple has an exclusive contract with AT&T, if they did break the hacks then they would be breaking their contract. Sure they did not have to brick the phones in the process, but they did warn everybody first. If you installed the update and bricked your phone, you are an idiot. If the iPhone did not offer the features you wanted, why buy it in the first place? I'm sure future iPhone models will have much more functionality and when they open up to other carriers, then you will see the platform open up a bit. Until then, you are at Apple & AT&T's mercy. I for one will not be persuaded by any device to use AT&T, I don't care how great the device is, its only as useful as the network it runs on.
    • greenmountain, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I agree on features,fair warning. folks should know better.
      What we know:
      *Apple promised to do this,then did it.
      *It was an Apple update that wailed the phones,not ATT.
      *All of the other platforms support 3rd party apps.
      *Apple has posted signs at their stores,if you add apps or unlock the phone,you have no warranty,no service,no recourse.
      *ATT states it is Apple that requires the lock down.
      *ATT unlocks all of its other phones.
      http://digg.com/apple/AT_T_s_policy_for_unlocking_ ...
      **************
      There is no way to conclude from this that ATT is to blame for this.
  • mingistech, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5If you want your 3rd party apps back just downgrade the firmware.... it works like a charm.

    http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/index.php/Downgra ...
  • alexanderdietz, on 10/10/2007, -2/+51. I'm sure the creator(s) of this video could have found some relevant shots other than scrolling through a list of apps.
    2. The original ad compared Apple, a computer company, to people like Martin Luther King, Jr. and Albert Einstein, and that was a far enough stretch. Do you seriously expect me to think of widget developers as comparable to heroes and geniuses?
    • streak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4It does take a certain amount of genius to program for the iPhone, particularly when no SDK is available, and the developers certainly are misfits in Apple's eyes! I also believe there was more creativity and effort put into the video than you probably realize.
      • fkr3, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2They could have cut their dicks off, sauteed and eaten them, for the sake of whipping up some app for the iPhone.

        They still wouldn't be up there with people like MLK and Einstein.
  • erfmufn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I think the other big point this vid makes is that the "hackers" are often the coders for popular apple apps. Software has held apple back for so long, anyone who chooses to code in OSX programming framework ought to be encouraged.
  • AliBomaYe, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4that was THE most overly dramatic and self aggrandizing thing I have seen. Its a phone, get over it.
    • streak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It's $599, now $399, of wasted potential. monthly service plan for two years, sales tax, federal excise tax, fcc fees excluded. prices may vary. limited time offer.
  • cipher64, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2My guess is Apple wants a share from the sale of those native apps, so eventually either they will develop those apps themselves and sell them or let others develop those apps, but the apps will be available through itunes.
  • websyndicate, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1so true
  • blackbrutha, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Open up the iPhone to developers Apple...JESUS CHRIST.
    • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Why would Jesus Christ want to develop third party apps for the iPhone?
      • dudefather, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"jesus can I install custom apps on my iPhone?"
        "you can now lol"
  • gep642, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2If people wanted 3rd party apps on a touchscreen, unlocked phone providing full carrier choice... why not just wait for the Neo1973? Supposed to be out next month, freedom and all. Why buy a phone which, from the beginning, told you *not* to expect any those things, then complain when forcing the functionality you want doesn't go the way you thought it would? Sure, you have the right to hack it. But they aren't required to avoid breaking your hacks.
  • nekt, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1I find it far to funny that a company who owes their continued existence to the theft of others intellectual property go to such great lengths to keep their own so closed. I actually do love all these fanbois getting pissed on. The less crapple ***** I see the better.
    • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'd ask you to explain that first sentence, but you actually might. A rant should be like a bad bottle of wine (whine), put on the shelf and unopened.
  • mecanabis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1brilliant
    KISS always works
  • jbond, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The problem here is not that people hacked a closed device and the manufacturer applied an update that stopped the hacks. The problem is that it's a closed device.

    Question: Would Apple make more or less money from the iPhone if it had an officially supported API, SDK and Toolchain?
  • thebrawl, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1It's bad enough people buy iPhones, but please don't act like hacking a phone is somehow more noble than buying a phone that doesn't need hacked.
  • neckaros, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1One word: Excelent!
  • Shaman760, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2I'm glad to see that this whole iPhone thing really brought about who the real lemmings are (the defenders of Apple's new draconian measures). Those self-righteous types who obviously never take any chances, think outside the lines, etc. They just live their little humdrum lives, hoping for that scrap that they can never get.....oh but they have an iPhone and that gets them a little closer to their god- the god of consumerism and brand worship.

    Please can we have a nuclear attack and all those assholes melt?
  • sonycam, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Damn I hate the people who keep saying 'Hey, Apple is a company just like every other'.
    Well, as an Apple customer, I will complain. I will complain just like I do with Microsoft and Sony products and every other company.
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